Gladys Kravitz Shows Why She's in the Hockey Hall of Fame
L.A. Times reporter and Hockey Hall of Fame member Gladys Kravitz got Jack Johnson worked up in a froth yesterday. Having read the Lombardi interview she references in her article, I can only assume one of three things is going on:
(1) Jack Johnson read the original interview himself, but Jack Johnson can't read.
(2) Jack Johnson did not read the interview, but was told about it by Gladys Kravitz.
(3) Jack Johnson and Dean Lombardi are mortal enemies. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm going to rule out (1) because, I actually attended the University of Michigan, and there's a reason they sell a t-shirt there with the Harvard logo and the caption, "Harvard, the Michigan of the East." It's a great school. It's great academically and they have a great hockey team and Red Barenson is a legend. So I am going to stipulate that Jack Johnson is better educated than 99.99999999% of anyone who ever played in the NHL (the .0000000001% being Ken Dryden). He can read.
He just didn't read this interview.
I'm going to rule out (3) because Dean Lombardi went out of his way to acquire Jack Johnson and specifically told him to stay at UofM (in contrast to Carolina, who was pressuring JJ to quit school ASAP). Lombardi supported Jack's decision to stay in school. Not to mention the fact that every time there's an internet rumor about JJ (see last summer's dust-up with JJ's dad and the KHL), Lombardi is nothing but supportive of Jack. So, I really don't think there's more to this than, well, frankly, than (as Jim Fox might say), Gladys Kravitz doing what she does best.
(I do miss the Foxism, "That's [player name], doing what he does best: [insert whatever he does best, usually it was "driving to the net."]")
Dean Lombardi likes to explain things. He likes metaphors. He is educated. I actually appreciate all those qualities. I also appreciate that he doesn't give us the usual bland, boilplate bullshit sound-bytes that we expect from everyone in sports. But because he sometimes speaks in allegories, it's insanely easy to take him out of context.
With that in mind, let's read what he actually said to Gann Matsuda, in that great, great multi-part interview. Just for fun, I'm going to highlight certain words that resonate for me:
"This guy has never had any coaching [at the University of Michigan]....Jack just did what he wanted...Michigan is the worst...For hockey people, if you’ve got a choice between a kid—all things being equal—one’s going to Michigan and one’s going to Boston University, you all want your player [going to Boston University]. Michigan’s players—[head coach] Red [Berenson] doesn’t coach. It’s ‘do what you want.’ He gets the best players in the country....Jack was a thoroughbred out there...But he was all over the place. He was awful as a hockey player. As an athlete, you’re going, wow! Look at the way he skates, shoots, he can pass. But he had no idea where he was going...At times, he was playing forward at Michigan...You had no idea what position he was playing. But he had always been the star and he always got his numbers. Then he turns pro and for the first time, we’re telling him ‘whoa, just make the first pass and learn to play in your own end.’ How about making a read in your own end about the right guy to pick up? He was awful....It was a big risk for us to trade for him...There was all that hype and stuff because he’s just like a thoroughbred. It’s like looking at a horse and saying wow! But then he gets on the track and he has no clue how to run the race. He might even run in the wrong direction. That was Jack. [He was] really raw....Here again, you’ve got a kid who’s got to change his game and he can change a game, going end-to-end, getting you out of your own end...It was like, ‘you’re not good enough at that not to do these other things that you’ve never done.’ Now try and convince him of that after [he has] been told how great [he is throughout his] life, [he has] played in the US Development Program, [he was] at Michigan, everything [was] great, great, great. Now [he is] in the pros and it’s ‘what do you mean? I’m Jack Johnson"....He struggled with it...‘What do you mean, you’re criticizing me?’ Yeah, [I am]. When these kids come up now, this might seem totally abnormal to you, because anyone else growing up probably got slapped around [figuratively speaking] as you were learning your career or anything you’re learning. But these kids are all told how great they are....He didn’t start believing that [he] might have to start doing this until the middle of last season. [Kings head coach Terry Murray, also known as Murph] is a great teacher. Thank God for Murph. He was really a smart player, nowhere near as talented. [He told Jack to] slow down and take it a step at a time. Slowly, he’s gotten better. He’s certainly had his ups and downs. But that’s why he made the Olympic team, because this guy is hard to play against...What’s good about it was that [Johnson] was eleventh on the depth chart at the beginning of the year...By November, he had risen to the top eight, and in Jack’s case, he went from ten to eight, to seven....Two weeks ago, at the [NHL] Board of Governors meeting, [we met] and I couldn’t promote my own guy, so the other guys would come in—it was out of my hand...[Johnson] was in the top six on everybody’s ballot. I was really proud of him...Jack Johnson, three years ago, was all highlight film stuff...But the trouble is, the highlight film stuff was only once every three games. In between, it was all fire drills. [He just had to] simplify [his game]. No highlights. The highlights will come back once you start to simplify....For him to transition from highlight film to doing all this other stuff, you’re not getting that high-end stuff right now while he’s learning,...But you’re hoping the [solid defensive play] becomes second nature. He still has to think about it. But when that becomes second nature, now recognize when you can put on your show. It’s still a work in progress...I’ve had a lot of young defensemen. They’re always hard to break in anyway. He’s been unique because, like I said, he was a thoroughbred who just ran. I think his learning curve is going to continue to go up...It hasn’t spiked. I think every area of his game has improved, but it has to continue.
Now, when I read that, as someone who has been around hockey his whole life, I know exactly what he's trying to say. When he says "awful as a hockey player," he means the x's and o's, he means the system. He doesn't mean "Jack Johnson sucks balls." That's why he said THOROUGHBRED. You know Gladys is trying to trick people because she leaves out that part.
It's like Lombardi is saying, "Jack Johnson is an ingenious writer but his handwriting is so sloppy no one can read it." And Gladys turns that into, "Jack, Dean says your writing is awful. Care to comment?"
And this is the result:
Kings' Jack Johnson irate over GM Lombardi's comments about him and Michigan | The Fabulous Forum | Los Angeles Times
Kings defenseman Jack Johnson reacted angrily Thursday to comments made by General Manager Dean Lombardi in an interview posted on the blog frozenroyalty.net in which Lombardi said Michigan -- where Johnson played college hockey -- is "the worst" in terms of coaching players and called Johnson "awful as a hockey player" when he played for the Wolverines. He also criticized Michigan Coach Red Berenson and said Johnson was unable to accept criticism after playing at Michigan and for the U.S. national team development program. The interview, part of a series, can be found here. "I'm a Michigan man. I'm very proud of it. I wouldn't want to have it any other way," Johnson said after the Kings' 4-3 shootout victory over the Buffalo Sabres at Staples Center. "Michigan has produced more NHL players than any other school. Even the U.S. development program, people rip that and they just don't know anything about it and don't know what they're talking about." Berenson, Johnson said, "is one of the finest coaches and men that I've met. For my general manager to rip me as a person and criticize me as a person and as a player and call me an awful hockey player is irresponsible and unprofessional."
Since Lombardi did not "rip [JJ] as a person" I must assume Jack did not really read the actual interview. As far as "calling [him] an awful hockey player," that's only true in a narrow and literal sense if you willfully make yourself blind to the context of the partial quote. Lombardi essentially says, "Jack is an elite player, a thoroughbred on a level that makes your mouth water, but because he was never forced to play a system, because he was never taught to, he was awful at it when he got here. But now he's much better, and getting better all the time."
That's like me saying, "Jimmy Page is one of the greatest guitar players I have ever seen. The guy plays licks each one more inspired than the next, even though technically he's just incredibly sloppy, can't play bar-chords, and can't read music to save his life," and then having some idiot boil that down to, "Quisp says Page is a musically illiterate slob."
Now, maybe you need to speak Lombardi in order to understand Lombardi, I don't know. Or maybe you just have to be able to read. In any case, I took the time to paraphrase the entire Lombardi quote on Johnson. I believe this is a 100% accurate translation. You tell me:
When Jack was at UofM, he was so talented he could do whatever he wanted on the ice. The coach encouraged this. There was no system he had to stick to. At Michigan, they don't need a system, because they get the best players in the country, and even among them, Jack was a thoroughbred. He was the star. He was an elite athlete with elite skating, shooting and passing skills. So when he arrived in the NHL, he had little experience playing with the kind of discipline everyone has to play with if they're going to be part of a successful team. He never had to do it before, because all his life he was the star and everything was great. Now, in the NHL, he struggled applying himself to what was essentially a new way of playing. It took him about a year-and-a-half for it to start to sink in, but thanks to Terry Murray, who is a great teacher, Jack has really come around. He's always been on the highlight reels, even in the NHL, but it's taken this long for him to start to learn the craft of being an elite defenseman in the NHL. He's still learning, but just the fact that he's made the Olympic team this year shows how far he's come. So when you look at Jack's numbers this year and wonder if there's something wrong, it's that he's now doing things he never had to do before and once those skills become second nature the highlight reel stuff will come back. As much of a thoroughbred as he is, he still has untapped potential. Every aspect of his game has improved, and by no means has he peaked yet.
Now why didn't Lombardi just say that? Maybe because he's not boring. Maybe because he paid Gann Matsuda, and Kings fans in general, the compliment of speaking the truth with his guard down, which is to say: with trust. Not trust in the sense of keeping a confidence; trust as in, he's not treating the reporter or his readers like idiots; he's assuming people actually know a little bit about hockey, among other things. Lombardi's not a fool; he's not spewing state secrets; it's just this little morsel of actual honesty, like a trial balloon, to see if people can handle it.
You don't hear people talking like this very often, certainly not in public, on TV, or in the newspapers. But when people hear it, whether they admit it or not, I think the reaction is, "I can't believe he just said that, it's so true. Why doesn't everyone do that?"
Oh. Because it's dangerous. Thus, the ball-club speech. "God willing, we'll win the big game." Like in Bull Durham:
Crash: It's time to work on your interviews.
LaLoosh: My interviews? What do I gotta do?
Crash: You're gonna have to learn your clichés. You're gonna have to study them, you're gonna have to know them. They're your friends. Write this down: "We gotta play it one day at a time."
LaLoosh: Got to play... it's pretty boring.
Crash: 'Course it's boring, that's the point. Write it down.
So why do I get the feeling that Gladys simply cherry-picked the tidbits that would be the most scandalous if taken out of context and gleefully presented them to JJ for comment as though they were the whole point? Maybe because there's just no way for a reasonable, non-prejudiced person with no axe to grind to read that interview and come away believing it says what she says it says in the Times article.
Also, I remember Mrs. Kravitz's "reporting" on the Williams/O'Sullivan trade. Essentially, her thesis was that (1) Lombardi is spiteful and irrational to such a degree that he will trade valuable assets (POS) for worse ones (Williams) and is therefore a danger to the organization who should be relieved of his duties by AEG.
And (2) Justin Williams is short.
Lombardi had made a comment that, in Williams, they had acquired a bigger, more physical player who was not afraid to go to the blue-paint. Mrs. Kravitz, apparently not knowing about this blue-paint phenomenon, snarkily noted that Williams was short and appeared to weigh about 175 pounds. [I will dig up the exact quote, but this is close to what it was.]
[time passes; found it; couldn't get to the original Times article without paying for it, but I found my comment on it and quoting of it on the old dead Inside the Kings site:
But I think it's important to note the snark in [Kravitz's] piece. She undoubtedly has seen the same numbers that -- for example -- I have, and she knows that Lombardi is touting the size upgrade. Yet she made a conscious choice to report only the 5'11" number, not the Canes number or for that matter the one on the Kings site. If she had only reported the 5'11" without the additional "and he looks smaller," I would have thought she's just sloppy. But the additional snark tells me that she's editorializing and has an ax to grind here. [...] Seriously, to say that he looks smaller than 161lbs is objectively laughable on its face. I am 6' tall myself, and haven't been 161 lbs since I was 14, and at that weight the idea that I could have been a physical presence in juniors, to say nothing of the NHL, is mock-worthy. Either she has no ability to judge these things, or she's intentionally getting in a dig at DL and Williams. The latter, I think it's pretty obvious.
She cynically and intentionlly missed the point that Patrick O'Sullivan, while immensely talented, is notoriously contact-avoidant, and -- no matter what his actual height -- plays like he's 5'3", while Williams "plays big." Gladys pretended not to know what that means, and chose instead to throw gasoline on the fire that is the message-board wing of the Kings fan-base, by playing to their worst fears (you know, botched trades of prospects that turn into someone else's superstars, GMs who don't know what they're doing, etc.).
This was about when I started to develop the theory that Gladys seems to come to the defense of the cute and/or hunky players (O'Sullivan, Cammalleri, Johnson) but not so much the un-cute or less-cute or cute-challenged or just normal looking (Visnovsky). Admittedly, this is too small a sample size for it to be anything but a crack-pot theory, but I come back to it yet again because, for example, she could have gone to Kopitar or Doughty and said, "Lombardi says you're a fat pig. Care to comment?" But she didn't. She chose Johnson instead. (I take it as axiomatic that Johnson is more calendar-worthy than Kopi and Dewey -- but maybe that's just because they were recently cast in one of RudyKelly's brilliant fever dreams as Droopy Dawg and Winnie the Pooh. Okay, my mistake, it wasn't Droopy, it was Meeko from James Cameron's Pocahontas.)
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…Gladys, er, Kravitz has an axe to grind with Lombardi? That’s my hunch. In fact, there’s something that’s made my nose twitch whenever she writes of the Kings’ as a team, and especially his team. This has been going on ever since DL has been in town. (And I mean something more than your run-of-the-mill journalistic critique.) Maybe she’s bitter because she thinks he’s a great GM, but he doesn’t give her the access she feels she deserves? Maybe… nah, I don’t want to get personal. Anyhoo, I’ll betcha she enjoys fanning these flames.
On an entirely different topic, I’m reminded of back in my school days, here in the Bay Area, when we used to refer to Michigan as the Berkeley of the Midwest. The only thing they did better than us — and in this case much, much better — was hockey ;)
Didn’t Iggy Pop also go to UM for a couple years?
by falmer on Jan 22, 2010 10:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Iggy, Gerald Ford, Madonna and JMFJ
and I agree with you totally.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 22, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are completely off-base, Sir...
Jack Johnson is cute while Lubo is not??? How dare you. Johnson has that weird hair-lip thing while Lubo is the hockey’s version of a Care Bear.
The West Coast is the Best Coast.
by RudyKelly on Jan 23, 2010 9:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
“The hockey’s?” Dammit, I need to stay on my own site where I can delete comments.
The West Coast is the Best Coast.
by RudyKelly on Jan 23, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
YOUR site? Well, well, well, look who’s got a little drunk on their own power.
by Donzo on Jan 23, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some things, like an actual Kings-centric blog, do change.
Others, like a freaking edit button, simply don’t.
Denis Gauthier sucks at hockey... and life.
by Kevin Y on Jan 23, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I'm sorry.
Like I said, “crack-pot” theory. Also, I just think Lubo is more normal/human looking. JJ, god love him, looks like a drawing of a super-handsome chucklehead. And I mean chucklehead in a good way.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 23, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thoroughly enjoyed this post.
Out-of-context quotation taking (?) is one of my worst pet peeves. When it becomes noticeable trend in the writer’s work it deserves disciplinary action. It is irresponsible, rude and damaging. Jack should actually read the interview or attempt to fully understand the entire quotation before getting upset. I suppose he should also get that he was a complete disaster when he entered the NHL. After watching his stupid feature that has aired on FSN at least 68,000 times since he came into the league, I can see where he might have a [understatement] slightly elevated view of himself.[/understatement] Convincing him of his beloved alma mater’s and his own shortcomings might be extremely difficult.
That said, DL could stand to lose a little bit of his hard-as-nails interview style. I’m a huge fan of his and, personally, dig his blunty frankness (franky bluntness?). However, extremes never draw the whole crowd and softening up a tad would go a long way to helping the less-understanding players comprehend his point. He can still mix it up, but there may be a limit that he is pushing.
by 88fingerslukee on Jan 23, 2010 2:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
blunty bluntness?
Yes, please!
2009-10 Kings Hockey: Delivering Milk Steaks from the Meat Train at an arena near you!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jan 23, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But you can’t deny his interviews are always interesting.
by Connie Kim on Jan 23, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said I didn't read them
;)
by 88fingerslukee on Jan 23, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t think you didn’t!
Gotta love the double negative.
by Connie Kim on Jan 24, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Out-of-context quotes
Turns out there’s more on that front in today’s two (count ‘em, two) HE stories in the Times. After the game, I’ll catch up with them. I’m pretty sure the headline of the post is “Gladys Kravitz throws Gann Matsuda under the bus.”
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 23, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bad medicine
The more fallout, the more this unfolds… Kind of sad how this has seemingly brought out the worst in all the parties involved. Something about this leaves a really bad taste in the mouth.
I fault Lombardi for opening his mouth. I fault the faux “journalist” Matsuda for printing quotes that had no place in that story. I fault JJ for opening his mouth. And I fault Kravitz (aka schtickupzebutt) for, yet again, taking the low road and drooling her bitter bile on the platter.
I sure hope some good comes of this, but I can’t imagine where that’ll happen. Yucky. Just yucky. Really pathetic. Bleck.
by falmer on Jan 23, 2010 7:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can't fault Matsuda
Anybody prints that quote. DL just needed to soften the words. You can never say a player’s name and the word “awful” in the same sentence and expect the results to be anything but semi-disastrous. Especially with somebody as narcissistic in appearance as Jack. It doesn’t matter how true the words or how out of context they are taken.
by 88fingerslukee on Jan 23, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I fault the faux "journalist" Matsuda for printing quotes that had no place in that story.
He’s kinda is a journalist, man.
The West Coast is the Best Coast.
by RudyKelly on Jan 23, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Totally.
He’s is.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 23, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really
We need an edit button.
The West Coast is the Best Coast.
by RudyKelly on Jan 23, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially since
it turns out this whole f-ing thing is on Johnson.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 23, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By "on Johnson" I mean
he sought out Elliott, not the other way around.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 24, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I keep trying to give JJ the benefit of the doubt
and every time it makes me look stupid.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 24, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Try the “Preview” button first. =)
by Connie Kim on Jan 24, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I fault the faux "journalist" Matsuda for printing quotes that had no place in that story.
I also disagree with this quite vehemently. The quotes had no place in the story? By whose criteria? Lombardi gave him that interview, and never (as he even admits) said anything was off the record. Matsuda had run lengthy portions of the same interview before this — Lombardi had all the time in the world to go back. He threw Matsuda under the bus later, and I find it disgusting. I love the fact that he’s our GM, but take some responsibility, Deano.
DL claiming that things were taken “out of context” is also laughable to me — nothing was left out, the entire article provided context.
I prefer my Kool-Aid spiked
by Niesy on Jan 24, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate your vehemence. However, who in their right mind would think that Lombardi would have expected the comments about Red and UM to appear in print? He was obviously careless to open his mouth in the first place. I think everyone agrees on this. But he’s not an idiot. C’mon, already! DL’s biggest mistake was overlooking the fact that the guy doing the interview was an amateur who wouldn’t know what to cut and what to print.
Professional journalists who conduct interviews are faced with judgement calls like this all the time. Matsuda is no professional journalist. In fact he’s now exposed for the bot that he is when it comes to interviews. The guy’s obviously out of his league when it comes to fashioning a story with this material. His editorial judgement is poor, his incorporation of quotes in an article makes for awkward reading, and as a result his stories are, at best, weak, and at worst, well… we’re all talking about it right now.
I sure hope DL avoids this guy like the plague from now on, and I hope Matsuda just sticks to writing his own observations, opinions, etc. No more one-on-one interviews, please. We have much better sources for that sort of writing.
Having said that, I agree that DL came off as even more foolish for trying to backtrack. But even then, as honest and accurate as he was about JJ’s development, so too was he right on about Matsuda’s irresponsibility (or stupidity?). “I made a huge mistake thinking the guy would understand that.” In Lombardispeak, that’s not just an admission of error; it’s also a simple, concise and well-deserved insult. I wonder if Matsuda is subtle enough to appreciate that.
I hope DL and GM have both learned a lesson from this.
by falmer on Jan 24, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
However, who in their right mind would think that Lombardi would have expected the comments about Red and UM to appear in print?
Number one on my list is DEANO.
It was part four of a series. He’d said other, let’s say, less-than-complimentary things about other players and that was all there. He had time to go back. And it’s not like this was his first interview with a blog; his air of innocent surprise is even less credible on that score. And it may be really easy to sneer at a guy because he’s ‘just’ a blogger, but the man has a press pass for a reason.
I hope Matsuda just sticks to writing his own observations, opinions, etc. No more one-on-one interviews, please. We have much better sources for that sort of writing.
This comment in particular doesn’t sit right with me. Guess who chose to give that interview to the supposedly ‘inferior’ source? That’s right — DEAN. Who has more responsibility to think about what’s good for the team? Also Dean.
DL has demeaned himself in my eyes by placing the blame where it doesn’t belong. People are looking for a scapegoat, and he handed them one. Would Helene have kept that quote to herself? You disagree, but personally, I don’t think so.
I think I’ve said all I have to say, but I fully agree with Wyshynski on this one. I was surprised he played that card. Surprised, and disappointed.
I prefer my Kool-Aid spiked
by Niesy on Jan 24, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a middle ground, however
which is that, first of all, Gann IS in fact a journalist. Second, Lombardi knew he was speaking on the record, because he said as much; however, third: his comments about the context I think are exactly true…
He was not bashing JJ, he was defending him in the context of the question, which was — to paraphrase — why does JJ suck so bad right now? His answer was basically, he’s growing by leaps and bounds, he’s a thoroughbred who never had any coaching really until last year.
See? Lombardi called it “background,” but I think that’s just his stream-of-consciousness style working against him. It’s not background, really, in the sense of “off the record.” But I believe him when he says he was providing context.
Because, frankly, that’s exactly how I read it when it first appeared. And my reaction was, oh my god, why didn’t I think of that before. Yeah, JJ isn’t a bust. That explains a lot.
Net result, as it affected me: JJ is great and will be greater. I didn’t think, “JJ is a dick” or “DL doesn’t like him.” Ithought exactly the opposite, namely that DL knows what’s best for him and wants to support him, including his own special brand of “tough love.”
DL’s comments didn’t make me think JJ is a dick. But JJ’s actions in response kind of did.
Really, I just think he’s more like Joe Pesci in GoodFellas. Hard to control. And Lombardi is Paul Sorvino. Or someone. I don’t know.
The other thing is — and I haven’t had time to track this down yet — but someone was saying there’s a bunch of bad blood between Lombardi and Barenson re Robbie Czarnik, and really all of it had more to do with that than with JJ. Sounds plausible, but like I said, I haven’t had time to poke around. (this is the problem with having no sources)
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 24, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure,
Gann is a journalist “in fact”, I mean he does belong to the PHWA or whatever it is. And he writes. And he does interviews. I guess that makes him a journalist. But I said “professional journalist”, and I should clarify that what I meant was a journalist who has a credible journalistic education, who makes a living at it, and, well, most importantly, who does good journalism.
I admire his loyalty to the Kings, and of course he’s got as much right to express his opinions as the rest of us. But yeeeesh, let’s not delude ourselves about the pivotal role he played here. It’s no small responsibility to print somebody’s words for all the world to read. You’ve got to exercise some judgement. I’ve read and re-read Gann’s responses to comments made over the last few days and I just don’t see that this guy had any clue of the dynamite that was in his hands. (I’m making that motion of throwing my hand back over my head: he just doesn’t get it.)
And just to be clear where I’m coming from… I’m OK with DL’s assessment of JJ’s development being printed. That was good stuff and, standing alone, would have made for a solid story. But I was shocked by the Berenson/UM attack comments. My first thought was, “Why is he printing this stuff?! What do they have to do with this story?!” Those are red flag/“fighting words” sort of remarks, which make for one hot potato if you’re a reporter. Sometimes it best to let that stuff fall to the ground and forget about it. “I wasn’t trying to do a hatchet job” says Gann. And I’m sure he wasn’t. But what exactly was he trying to do? What, if anything, was he thinking?
Funny thing, after all of this I end up liking Lombardi even more. His gaffs aside, he gave us some real gems. His passion for scouting and development never ceases to fascinate me.
Now that you mention it, that Czarnik angle sounds intriguing.
And, it’s probably just my personal bias, but I wouldn’t rule out butt tattoos as having something to do with all of this as well.
by falmer on Jan 24, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps Gann was naive in not asking a follow-up that would have given DL a chance to backtrack or clarify what he said about Berenson and U of M. In hindsight, that would have been a sensible thing to do.
But really, it’s not any writer’s job to make an interviewee look good. It wasn’t Gann’s job to protect DL.
And I don’t think that Gann’s resume has anything to do with the matter. Academic training in journalism is garbage. Journalism is a trade that is best learned by doing it; that has always been the case. When I was a summer intern at the LA Times years ago, the publisher was Tom Johnson, and he came out and said that he would never hire anyone with a Journalism degree; he wanted people who had studied real academic subjects so that they understood what they were writing about. And as for being able to make a living by writing, well, I’ll just say that I wouldn’t give the time of day to at least half of the sports columnists I’ve read who seem write for major dailies. I would respect the Times a lot more if they kicked Bill Plaschke to the curb, for instance. There are plenty of blogging ‘amateurs’ who are just as legit in their reporting as accredited newspaper writers (and Gann is accredited, too, apparently).
But — and make no mistake about this — I do not think any less of Dean Lombardi because of this kerfluffle. If anything, like falmer, I think better of him. I never really realized how intensely devoted he is to his players. On the one hand, that’s probably what led him to sign McCauly and Cloutier. But it will serve this team well going forward.
My greatest fear is that the abuse he’s getting from all of the people who misread and misunderstood him — either because they’re idiots or because they didn’t want to understand him — will cause him to draw rein, or that the Kings will muzzle him. His willingness to talk freely, without censoring himself, has been a great asset to the organization on the whole. Like Quisp once said, these free-ranging interviews with him are like sitting in bar and chatting with a guy who really knows his stuff and is fun to listen to. And he’s General Manager of the Kings! That is just so cool.
by DougX on Jan 24, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
“naive” is perhaps a fairer word.
I agree that it wasn’t Gann’s job to make DL look good. I never said it was, nor would I expect that to be his purpose. But — regardless of what comes out of DL’s mouth, and how clearly it’s expressed that it is or isn’t off the record — there’s still responsibility on Gann’s part to use some judgement.
I personally don’t care if Lomardi comes off as looking bad. I just don’t think any of this drama can be good for the team. That’s why this whole thing irks me, and why I fault Matsuda just as much as I fault Lombardi.
I can’t argue with you about your comments on the current state of sports journalism. I was, admittedly, looking for a weakness in Gann’s credentials to help support my point. A good journalist is one who does good journalism, regardless of their formal education or who they work for. Perhaps, having Rich Hammond covering my favorite team, I can’t help but cringe at some of the others who take a stab at it. My bad, with apologies to Gann. Regardless of his education or credentials, however, I’m simply not impressed with him as a journalist.
Dean has had something to say about this incident. I’d like to hear what Gann has to say. He’s commented that he might write a follow-up which reflects on the journalistic issues that have come to the fore amid the fallout of his original story. I’d be curious to hear what he’s learned from all this.
by falmer on Jan 24, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re Gann's obligations in this situation
Gann has credentials and access to real sources. This makes him a reporter and a journalist. The rest is semantics.
However, he’s not a news reporter interviewing Cheney in the middle of the Iraq war. In that situation, he has a moral responsibility to be objective and to report not editorialize or be a p.r. wing of the Cheney White House.
He’s a sports reporter. Sports reporting for the most part has always had bias. See Helene Elliott, Bill P., etc.. The tone of the writing gives it away. There’s always (okay, usually) a pouty sense of entitlement (e.g. “the lowly Kings” “win for once” “can’t do anything right” etc.) pervading the work, implying that the team actually owes the reporter or the fans or somebody something.
In short, sports writing is a hybrid. It’s part reporting. It’s part advocacy. It’s part whining. It’s part insight. It’s part entertainment. Add to that the ambiguity of blogging vs. journalism. People seem to think that blogging is somehow crackpot and journalism is somehow serious and legit. However, there are counter-examples aplenty. And ask any sports fan where he goes for his news fix, and the advantage of legitimate reporter/writer/bloggers (e.g. Hammond, Matsuda, Puck Daddy, Mirtle, Russo, et al) is apparent. There simply are no hockey fans with internet access who rely entirely on a newspaper to get their information.
So, Gann’s obligation…
Frankly, he can do whatever he wants. But if he wants to keep getting access, he needs to be fair to his sources and to his readers. And I think he was.
However, could he have looked at the Lombardi text and decided, no way am I printing that. It will cause a problem for Lombardi, or JJ, or whoever? Yes, he could have. And as a Kings FAN, would it have been appropriate if he so chose to let his loyalties sway him? Why not? He could also have gone back to Lombardi and said, “I know you said this on the record, but I’m worried about the effect it might have, so I’m cutting it out.” i.e. give Lombardi a chance to pull back from it.
He didn’t do that, and that’s within his rights. And I’m cool with that. But I disagree that it’s not Gann’s “job” to protect Lombardi. Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t. It’s entirely up to him. I fully support his desire to be as objective as possible, especially since he’s already (gasp) tainted with the stain of being a blogger.
Just as it’s entirely up to Helene Elliott that she chooses to inflect every one of her stories (okay, many of her stories) with the subtext that the Kings have inconvenienced her by sucking for so long and Lombardi is bad.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 24, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Gann is a journalist
There have been plenty of great points made in these comments,but let’s get one thing straight. Gann is a journalist. He’s been covering the Kings since I was a child and knows the team inside and out. I didn’t think Falmer’s comment about cringing when reading other reports on the Kings is fair. Hammond is a great source, but it’s important to get more than one side of the story. In this case in particular, he didn’t state an opinion at all. It’s easy to hold onto a bias in these situations, which prevents a person to look and develop and opinion objectively.
There’s a lot of he said, she said with this whole situation but a few things remain the way the are and a few are plainly clarified.
(1) Dean Lombardi will always provide for interesting water cooler talk for fans, journalists, and bloggers. We should consider ourselves fortunate for having a GM who speaks openly and freely about the organization and the Kings. Other GMs give the most boring quotes and just aren’t worth listening to. You’ll never be bored with DL.
(2) Jack Johnson is still a kid. Obviously he didn’t read what Gann wrote and just reacted to the quotes that were provided to him by Helene Elliot who, herself, is in it to write her own sports journalist story.
(3) The responsibility to protect a team is virtually non-existent. The job of a reporter is to report on the team in a non-biased fashion. “Here is what’s going on; here are the facts.” As a fan, I want to know everything and absorb any information that is made available.
His willingness to talk freely, without censoring himself, has been a great asset to the organization on the whole. Like Quisp once said, these free-ranging interviews with him are like sitting in bar and chatting with a guy who really knows his stuff and is fun to listen to. And he’s General Manager of the Kings! That is just so cool.
From DougX. Great observation. Completely 100% agree. It’s the freedom every fans craves.
by Connie Kim on Jan 24, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cringing happens
It’s what i do sometimes when I read something that, for one reason or another, bothers me. I’m sorry if you think that’s “unfair”, but I think we’re all entitled to our opinion.
And we’re all going to have differing opinions on Gann’s role in this fiasco, on the quality of Gann’s journalism, on the nuances of reporting, blogging, etc. I’m OK with that, as long as these things get factored into the debate. This story is not just about DL and JJ. It’s also about the guy who wrote it.
It’s nice that we all agree, however, in our appreciation of the openness, honesty and unique brilliance of Dean Lombardi. I can’t imagine caring about this team half as much if he weren’t the GM.
by falmer on Jan 24, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
People seem to getting upset with Matsuda on fannish grounds (he did something that ‘harmed’ the team) and they have every right to do that — however, if you’re claiming he fell short on journalistic grounds, I still disagree. All Dean had to do is say five little words: “This is off the record.” Then there would be no problem.
Sure, Gann played a pivotal role in this, but I feel it’s shooting the messenger. Greater obligation lies with DL. When you’re giving an interview as the head of an organization and putting your take on people out there for all the world to read, you had better take that responsibility seriously.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved reading that interview, and I love his candor. I don’t have any problem with what he said about JJ. I just think the excuses he offered up afterward were weak. I hate when people shirk responsibility (especially by shunting blame on to someone with far less power). I’d rather he had said: “You know, I should have said it was off the record. That’s the way I wanted it to be. I apologize.” Unfortunately, he didn’t.
I prefer my Kool-Aid spiked
by Niesy on Jan 24, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
of course, but
Dean Lombardi is not the sort of person capable of communicating like that.
And thank the Heavens that he’s not!
by falmer on Jan 24, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he ALMOST said that though
his excuses weren’t lame so much as they lacked his usual conviction. there were also lame. mostly because it blurred his real point, which was that he was trying to defend JJ and was providing background to that. Not background in the sense of “off the record.” But background as in, you need to understand this.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 24, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank goodness for caffeine, so I can tie some of these threads together....
I agree with Quisp that Gann can do whatever he wants with his blog. But my sense is that he sees himself as a conventional, ‘serious’ journalist who just happens to publish without a newspaper affiliation. So in that sense, he has no obligation to make DL look good.
BUT: As a practical matter — and this goes with my fear that DL will shut down after being burned — it’s helpful to keep a good relationship with your best sources. They give you interesting stuff for your articles, they help you by bringing in readers, which makes your star shine bright. If you burn them (even if you don’t mean to burn them), you may lose that access. And DL, whatever else you may think of him, has got to be a sports reporter’s wet dream because he’s so open and candid. In that sense, it would be in Gann’s best interest to at least let DL retract or qualify something that seemed inflammatory before he went to print.
My guess is that the Lombardi magic worked on him to an extent that he knew exactly what DL was getting at, just as Quisp did and I did. He understood the Dean-speak. It probably didn’t occur to him at the time that so many people would isolate that one part of the interview and take it so badly out of its context, and that Johnson would take it that hard (i.e., without understanding the context).
My overall point is that relationships are important, and I can’t believe that Gann intentionally put his relationship with Lombardi in that kind of danger. And we as fans should value the relationship that his interviews with writers like Gann and Rich create between him and us. And by the same token, I believe that Lombardi’s reaction — call it craven if you wish — is also about trying to do what he has to do to preserve a relationship that’s important to him, with a kid who could become a star-quality defenseman, and with whom he wants to negotiate contracts in the future.
by DougX on Jan 24, 2010 5:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's not "craven" or "non-craven" if it's in the team's best interests
which i guess is what you’re saying.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jan 24, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It probably didn’t occur to him at the time that so many people would isolate that one part of the interview and take it so badly out of its context, and that Johnson would take it that hard (i.e., without understanding the context).
Cha-ching! You can say that again.
The paragraph opening with “Michigan is the worst” and continuing to “Red doesn’t coach” is the really regrettable part of this story, in my opinion. Most regrettable because Dean said these things to a reporter, off the record or not. Those are just gratuitous shots that smell like bad blood. They make me cringe ;) Fine if that’s how he feels, even if it’s true, but no need to tell anybody else about them. No good comes of such things. This is why I have a hard time believing that DL expected those quotes to appear in print. He says a lot of stuff, but he’s not known as one to take public shots at people like that. I’m fine with everything else DL said.
It’s also regrettable, in my opinion, that Gann printed these words. His story would have been no weaker, and no less to the point, with that inflammatory bit left out. An editorial no-brainer for me. Again, I cringe.
I know what it feels like to come to a point where I’ve found myself to be in over my head. Maybe that’s where Gann is at right now? Maybe not. For the sake of closure, I sure hope he prints that follow-up story.
I don’t wish to beat this dead horse any longer. Sorry! Something brought out the sadist in me today.
DougX, your comments regarding relationships are well put, generous and wise. It’s an important perspective to always keep in mind. I hope that all parties involved will consider it as they learn from this quite unexpected, tense and unfortunate turn of events. And who knows, maybe some humility, magnanimity and forgiveness will emerge as well.
May JJ realize his potential as a star player, while wearing a Kings jersey.
May our access to DL continue, as free of constraints as possible.
May there be harmony on this team.
May Gann be given the opportunity to become a better journalist.
Forever and ever and ever.
I cross my fingers that this dust-up won’t jeopardize any of these wishes.
by falmer on Jan 24, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Droopy!
Sorry, I thought I was all done, but not yet. Back to the original topic of this story…
As usually happens when I’m thinking of DL, my mind began to wander (more like disintegrate) into the realm of butt tattoos. And as this was happening I scrolled past the image of Droopy. And then the connection with Kravitz hit me! Great choice of images there! I now know what face is tattooed on Helene’s butt!!! Thank you!
(Not that I want to be thinking of Helene’s butt on a Sunday night, or ever, but I can’t tell you how much easier I’m going to sleep tonight because of this.)
by falmer on Jan 24, 2010 8:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
please
not after i just ate my breakfast!
i'll show you my butt tattoo if you'll show me yours
by falmer on Jan 25, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright guys
Let’s stick to the content here.
by Connie Kim on Jan 25, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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