Okay, an actual official non-crackpotty news source says the Kings and Thrashers are talking
by Quisp on Jan 26, 2010 8:28 PM PST
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The Hockey News: Ken Campbell's blog: Kings, Thrashers talking Kovalchuk trade
Multiple sources have indicated to The Hockey News the Thrashers have had significant trade talks with the Los Angeles Kings concerning moving Kovalchuk there in recent days. They reportedly presented the Kings with a shopping list of what it would take to get Kovalchuk and it’s believed that while the Kings would be very interested in adding a scorer of Kovalchuk’s ability to their group of young stars, the asking price is currently more than GM Dean Lombardi is willing to surrender.
The rest of the article you could write yourself. Speculation is, etc., roster players etc., prospects such as etc., may be involved, etc.. But the bit I cited actually (gasp) reported something specific that you might call a fact. Waddell provided shopping list; Lombardi says price is to high, for now. We'll see if that turns out to have been true.
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hands off Moller and Simmonds!
You think they’d take JMFJ, Teubert, and Schenn?
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
that would be giving up a lot of young players with a lot of upside…. but it would sure be nice to be a legitimate title contender
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by BoulderDodger on Jan 26, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Simmonds is untouchable IMHO
I love the way he plays. Find a way to make it happen without including him.
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I agree while stomping up and down re Moller and Simmonds
and I think they would take ur JJ/CT/BS offer, but that’s too much, if you ask me.
If they’re asking for too much, as the article suggests, I would imagine the contested asset is one or two of Simmonds, Moller, Loktionov, Voynov, Bernier, Schenn or Clifford. Oh, or Hickey. I don’t think DL would back off sending Teubert.
I don’t know if JJ counts exactly as “a player that can help them now” for their so-called playoff run. I would think THAT list is:
Brown
Stoll
Frolov
Handzus
Greene
Scuderi
I think DL will balk at sending Handzus (since he’s both the hub of the defense AND our Holmstrom in front of the net) and ATL probably be that excited about him, or excited at all. So he’s out. Greene and Scuderi are off-limits. Frolov…the UFA thing. Brown and Stoll…if DL sends Stoll, which I think makes a certain amount of sense, there’s a bit of a hole at center. Next year we’ve got Schenn and Loktionov en route (hopefully) but this spring…Stoll’s faceoff wins would be hard to replace. And I don’t really see Moller (my favorite king — in a tie with several others) getting the second line center job this year. But if a deal could be worked out to send Stoll and keep Brown and Johnson, that would be maybe ideal…
except for the fact that the prospect package would have to be that much better.
Stoll, Teubert and this year’s 1st? Not enough, I don’t think.
One thing that occurred to me was Stoll and Williams and this year’s first. That would kind of suck, but it would be good for ATL — two solid players, one for this year, and another ready for camp — and it would be a decent turn-around for DL, like turning half of Lubo and all of POS into Kovalchuk. Or, to put it another way, Lubo and O’Sullivan for Kovalchuk and Greene. Really, where do I sign?
Wait till this year.
The problem with playing fantasy GM with a Kovalchuk trade...
… is that whether you’re going to be able to sign him beyond this season makes all the difference in the world and then some. I would NOT give up those three players for only two months of Kovalchuk, not at this stage of the Kings’ development.
If there’s a significant chance that you’re just renting Kovalchuk, you also have to ask if the difference between what you’re adding in him and what you’re subtracting in trading for him is going to be the difference between winning and not winning the Cup this year. Especially since Atlanta supposedly wants ‘roster players.’
So let’s take BoulderDodger’s proposal as a for instance. Teubert and Schenn have no effect on this year. So, is the difference between adding Kovalchuk to the forward line and subtracting Johnson from the defense going to win the Stanley Cup for the Kings this year? I honestly don’t think so.
So if that deal happens, DL had better have something signed in blood saying that Kovalchuk will sign a reasonable long-term contract with the Kings. Or have his soul in a box, or something.
I think if Lombardi is sure that Kovalchuk will not waver
from his position about testing free agency, and therefore he stays “rental only,” then Lombardi will do nothing and sign him on 7/1. The only way he makes a trade before the deadline for IK is if:
(1) the rental price is sufficiently low. By low I mean something like Stoll, Purcell and a pick if IK signs. Likely? Uh, no.
(2) he comes signed, sealed and delivered.
Wait till this year.
absolutely
Dead on. No brainer. It would be most ideal if we could sign him as a FA. That way we don’t lose anybody in a trade, of course. (Though we might have to ship out some bodies later, due to cap space.)
Besides, how much do we really need Kovalchuk this season? I mean, how much further would he take us this year than we’d get without him. A little bit further, if any, but not much, is my hunch.
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cap space
part of the calculation will be the fact that the Kings will need to shed one of its $3-4MM salaries in order to make it work, whether they trade that player to ATL or later for someone else. Either way, if Kovalchuk comes our way, one of Frolov, Brown, Stoll, Williams, Scuderi or Greene will be leaving before training camp at the very latest. Unless my in-brain cap calculator is off.
for fun, i’ve been trying to imagine both IK and Marleau on the Kings next year. i know that’s crazy. but it’s not that crazy.
Wait till this year.
both?
together? at the same time? Wow.
If so… Bye bye Frolov, and bye bye Stoll. esp. if this were to come about thru FA signing of those two, where DL could have his say of who to cut and who to keep. I don’t see him parting with D-men to make room for F-men.
I get that you’re down on Brown the last couple seasons, but I just can’t see him going anywhere. Never mind that I like him, I also get the feeling that he’s magic in the locker room and, yes, leading the charge on the ice (when he does lead the charge). But I’ve beat that dead horse before, I’m sure.
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I'm not down on Brown
I just think he’s more vulnerable to being dealt than the conventional wisdom says he is.
Wait till this year.
nice image
“soul in a box”. I can imagine it in DL’s hands, and the look on his face.
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THN
Is the same source that says the Oilers should send Gagner to the AHL “for seasoning”
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pick
There most certainly would be a first round pick involved, no matter who Waddell ends up cutting a deal with. If it’s us, I really hope DL can send them our 2011 first rounder, and not this year’s first, because 1) I would expect our record to be better next year, and thus we’d be picking later, and 2) next year’s draft-eligible class of players is projected to be significantly weaker than this year’s crop.
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Wow, Atlanta is closer to making the playoffs than I thought
Just a hop and a skip, really.
So, I wonder….
If it’s getting close to the deadline, and Waddell can’t swing a deal for Kovalchuk because his price is too high and DL and everyone is just looking at him like, “You’re kidding me, right? We’re just going to wait for July.” And he knows Kovalchuk is going UFA, he’s out of Atlanta after this season….
Does he actually double down and become a buyer at the deadline, trying to strengthen his team in the short run for one last run before Kovy bolts? After all, as long as you get into the playoff tournament, anything can happen after that….
i doubt it
I think it’s to the point now where the success of Waddell’s season (never mind that of the Thrashers) will be determined by how much he gets in return for Kovalchuk. If Waddell doesn’t see any chance of signing IK, there’s no way Waddell keeps him, even he gets screwed in the deal. It’s trade IK or lose your job, as I see it.
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But losing IK is going to be devastating for ATL from a PR stand-point
so I can see Waddell standing pat and hoping he can sign IK before 7/1. It may also become clear to IK that he’s not going to get his $11MM/yr deal from anyone (hard to know how that plays out). It’s a gamble for Waddell to hang onto him, but the experiment in ATL is pretty much over if he leaves. The team will be not horrible in terms of personnel, but in terms of attracting fans? I think they might be doomed even with IK, but without him it’s all but certain.
Wait till this year.
Isn't this experiment basically over anyway?
I mean, I don’t have the attendance figures in front of me, but I’m pretty sure they’re not selling out that arena (or coming anywhere close).
As Rat Face’s tenure comes to an end as commissioner (you better believe he’s not getting re-upped since he couldn’t even bring cost-certainty after breaking a union) I can imagine that there will be a withdrawal out of most of the dead, non-traditional hockey markets.
by 88fingerslukee on Jan 27, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
I can imagine that there will be a withdrawal out of most of the dead, non-traditional hockey markets.
I was just reading this same argument this morning, except it was about baseball and the Rays. The problem isn’t non-traditional markets, the problem is new markets. Wait until football and basketball both strike in the next 2 years, let’s see what happens to hockey then.
The West Coast is the Best Coast.
The Tampa Bay team is 18 years old.
The Panthers are 17 years old. That’s not new…that’s just a terrible place to put a hockey team.
I’m pretty sure Florida people are not going to take to hockey regardless if baseball and football strike. They aren’t going to strike at the same time and all those people will go back to the two the minute the strikes end. Just look at Canada, it’s not like baseball went crazy when hockey missed a season. Hockey then came back more popular than ever.
I’m not saying all the non-traditional markets are bad (Dallas seems to be okay and California peeps have latched on to their three teams) but on the average, the South is just a bad place for hockey.
by 88fingerslukee on Jan 27, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Is Fro and JJ enough?
I can’t see this happening without Frolov being involved… I’m convinced that DL doesn’t think Fro is worth what he’s going to eventually sign for so he’s as good as gone.
I also can’t see the Kings giving up too much of their young talent for a rental player at this stage in their development.
ipad
if we can get our hands on one of the new iPad’s maybe that’ll sweeten the pot enough and we could include that on a trade to get kovalchuk
The Best-Case Scenario...
…would be Chicago trading for him and then Kovy signing here in the off-season. Weakens our biggest long-term rival and the Kings gain an elite sniper.
The West Coast is the Best Coast.
EXACTLY!!!
Waddell keeps talking about how he wants NHL players back in return…. and everyone knows that a couple of guys from the Blackhawks are going to get traded in the offseason. This would work out perfect…. Sharp, Versteeg, etc for Kovy. Then the Kings pick up Kovy in the offseason.
Well, along with Marleau to make Quisp happy.
The only reason I don’t see this happening is because Kovalchuk doesnt really have a history with concussions, nor knee injuries. At the end of the day, I don’t think he’s a Deal Lombardi-type player :)
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by Cheap Seats on Jan 27, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Brilliant Rudy. I couldn’t agree more. I have no problem waiting until July for the Kings to bring IK into the fold…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jan 27, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
it’s believed that while the Kings would be very interested in adding a scorer of Kovalchuk’s ability to their group of young stars, the asking price is currently more than GM Dean Lombardi is willing to surrender.
Yep, this is exactly how I imagined it playing out. I’m glad he wouldn’t sell the farm for a rental (though Kings fans will probably light themselves on fire in protest if it doesn’t happen…whatever).
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prenup?
I’m imagining a scene from the ante-bellum South, a sprawling estate, with aging patriarch Don Waddell as the father of the bride, and Kovalchuk dressed in a glorious white wedding dress in the next room, and a long line of suitors streaming from the door of Waddell’s study. Isn’t that how they do things in Atlanta?
Never mind.
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