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Around SBN: Terry Collins, David Wright, And The Mets/Brewers Kerfuffle

What, ALREADY?

 

I would say I told you so, but even I didn't think it would happen this fast.

Cap-strapped Devils will ice 9 forwards vs. Penguins - Puck Daddy - NHL  - Yahoo! Sports

The New Jersey Devils and Lou Lamoriello should feel somewhat humiliated today. Yes, injuries happen [...]But to be unable to replace [injured] players due to financial constraints is a titanic bit of salary cap miscalculation. To ice a lineup featuring nine forwards, along with six defenseman and two goaltenders, for a crucial division home game against the Pittsburgh Penguins (4 p.m. ET) today is inexcusable. [...] If there's any defense of Lou, it's that the Ilya Kovalchuk contract mess tied his hands this summer on making a cap-influenced trade to cut salary; now, when players on long-term injured reserve return, he'll have to force a move to get under the cap. [...] But that's the only defense. Otherwise, this is a franchise that's gone from rolling four lines to win championships to one that can only afford three.

I don't see how that's a defense of Lou. That's his problem.

It will be interesting to see if anyone thinks the Devils are playing fast and loose with Bryce Salvador's LTIR status. Since, you know, that would be a circumvention.

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I mean, this is laughable. I can’t believe it’s at this point for them. If there is anyone who still faults Lombardi for allegedly “not going after Kovalchuk harder”, this is a ringing endorsement in his favor.

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by Great Ice-Pectations on Oct 11, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought for sure LL would be able to dump enough salary before the season started to make it work. Did all 29 of his colleagues just shoot him the middle finger and refuse to take Salvador or Zubrus in return for a bag of pucks out of spite?

Just for yuks, I would kick in to hire a PI to trail Salvador like an insurance fraud investigator. :-)

And BTW, Quisp: You didn’t tag this post under Schadenfreude? :-D Those Germans have a word for everything.

"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim

by DougX on Oct 11, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Zubrus is so overpaid it’s ridiculous. $3.4mm for a guy who’s scored 20 goals just twice in 13 seasons?! No thanks.

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by Great Ice-Pectations on Oct 11, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt Salvador is faking it, but even that’s not buying much time. Sooner or later they’re going to have to pay the fiddler.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Oct 11, 2010 2:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh, I don't think he's faking it. That would be off-the-charts stupid.

But there is a strong incentive for the Devils to be overly-cautious in their evaluation of his recovery. Since the more hurt he is, the better it is for them.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Oct 11, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I see. Well. Caution is well justified in concussion injuries, so that could serve them for a while.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Oct 12, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

i love it.

the end.

Zus Army

by Jack-Handy on Oct 11, 2010 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

addendum-

does it seem like LL is sending the owner the “careful what you wish for” message.

or maybe i have just been giving LL too much credit (now and in the past)

Zus Army

by Jack-Handy on Oct 11, 2010 2:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually, that could be the Occam’s Razor explanation. Makes about as much sense as anything else about this whole weird affair, especially given that he was so unenthused about the signing at the initial press conference.

"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim

by DougX on Oct 11, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

especially given that he was so unenthused about the signing at the initial press conference.

exactly the kind of thing i’m taking into account.

LL has seemed lukewarm (at best) about this whole thing at any juncture he has been asked about it.

even when he defends the original contract, he just doesn’t seem convincing to me. nor to the arbitrator for that matter.

Zus Army

by Jack-Handy on Oct 11, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but if Kovalchuk scores 50 goals, the media will give LL all the credit for “Getting the deal done.”

by Kingsfan99 on Oct 11, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, like Dionne use to score fifty and the Kings would miss the playoffs.

Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?

by USHA#17 on Oct 11, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was so awesome

After we (Penguins) lost all six games we played against the Devils last year, and then we had to deal with their cap circumvention drama all summer long, we defeated them gloriously and now they are whining that it’s only because they didn’t have enough people… which is their own fault.

by Cari on Oct 11, 2010 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I love it. “We didn’t have enough people”

That’s almost as bad as saying, “We would have beat you, if we had more talent.”

by Kingsfan99 on Oct 11, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

More like, “We would beat you if we weren’t all so overpaid.”

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by Great Ice-Pectations on Oct 11, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don't mean to laugh in the faces IN the Jackasses at ILWT

In 3 games, here is what Kovadonnachuk has done for the Devils

Goals: 0
Assists: 2
Points: 2
+/-: -3
PIM: 7
SOG: 9

Yeah, that’s money well spent

HAAAAAAA! HA! HA! HA! HAAAAAA!

by The Ram on Oct 11, 2010 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Now take into account the fact that he’s technically 2 players since he’s so overpaid they can’t dress a full team. Looks even worse.

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by Great Ice-Pectations on Oct 11, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair, three games is a bit of a short leash.

by JZarris on Oct 11, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Oct 12, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

It wouldn’t surprise me if the NHL mandated that teams have to dress 17 skaters and 2 goalies for every game. Not only that, but the NHLPA must be losing it right now, I mean, yea one of you guys is making a crapload of money but you just lost 3 NHL jobs for 1 player!! I mean, somebody should really be reading those guy’s emails and making sure they’re doing their jobs right! Wait, what?

by SuperSonic420 on Oct 11, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

This is what I’m waiting for, the NHLPA should be up in arms about this and file a grievance.

by Throwdeuce5150 on Oct 12, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're assuming something about the NHLPA

i.e., that they actually care about the journeyman/marginal player majority of their membership, as opposed to the star/superstar minority.

And I don’t mean this as a knock at the NHLPA in particular. Years of observation as a sports fan tells me that this is true of all pro sports players unions.

"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim

by DougX on Oct 12, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

While I can’t disagree, those journeyman type of players do outnumber the superstars and could revolt if they could organize their own mini-union. Yes I doubt that would ever happen.

by Throwdeuce5150 on Oct 13, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is true. However, at some point an “emergency” turns into a circumvention. I don’t see how the league allows this for an indefinite period of time.

by Kingsfan99 on Oct 12, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goals: 0
Assists: 2
Points: 2
+/-: -3
PIM: 7
SOG: 9

Gross.

Zus Army

by Jack-Handy on Oct 11, 2010 4:16 PM PDT reply actions  

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by Garrett79 on Oct 11, 2010 4:19 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

So what your saying is...

Ik essentially turned the Devils into ATL from two seasons ago, a team that will likely miss the playoffs, but he will score 50 and have 97 points and only be a plus 15 because he doesnt play defense??
or am i being dramatic??/

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by card_base on Oct 11, 2010 6:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Heh

I can feel your smirk from here, Quisp

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Oct 11, 2010 6:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not smirking, exactly. I actually feel bad for the Devils fans who are just normal fans not crazed message board whackjobs.

If this happened to the Kings, can you imagine? It would be a nightmare. I doubt many rational Devils fan are 100% in favor of the Kovalchuk signing, since the potential down-side is so precipitous — but I bet you even the most cynical of them didn’t think the wheels would fall off immediately.

I also feel a little bad for Lamoriello, who I simply don’t believe was driving the bus on any of this.

I am happy, though, to be proved right again and again (and again) on this particular topic. The “you only won because we didn’t have enough people” argument is delightful, since they appear to be unaware that this was everyone’s argument against signing such a deal in the first place. If you make this kind of deal, you don’t have enough left to pay the rest of the team. We just didn’t think that was going to be illustrated immediately and literally.

I’ll tell you one (more) thing: there is no way in hell the devils players are happy about not being able to dress a full team, and they all know who to blame for it. If they rocketed out of the gate and went 10-0 or something, I’m sure everyone would have been forgiving, even with a short bench. But 0-3? When’s the last time that happened?

2001. They went 0-3. (and they finished with 95 points, so it wasn’t the end of the world then either)

As a franchise, they’ve never gone 0-4.

(well, as the Colorado Rockies, back in the 70s, they went 0-4 one year; and as the Kansas City Scouts, in their first ever season, they went 0-5, maybe worse, but at least 0-5. So at this point, they’re on the verge of expansion team status. Good work.)

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Oct 11, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I admit it, I couldn't resist

I peeked at ILWT.

I saw a couple of people blithely confident that “Lou will swing a deal in time” and everything will be okay. But Fischer himself seems to understand that this is trouble, and that stashing Salvador really doesn’t solve much. There was some blame cast on buyouts granted to Pandolfo and Andrew Stevens eating cap space.

But no mention at all of the elephant sitting at the grand piano, i.e., the massive and irrational contract granted to a certain Russian forward who, if he scores a goal in his next game, will be on a pace to score 20-21 for the entire season.

BTW, I didn’t see any posts from any of the bad actors who came here over the summer just to crap on the couch.

"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim

by DougX on Oct 11, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Scouts had Durbano and the Devils a Russian summer sensation.

Since the league trend is toward youth NJ could get away with dressing five or six nineteen year olds at bargain prices and give up three players.

Disaster was written all over this from the start. Its difficult to understand what insanity or logic spurred New Jersey to pay so much. I’m left standing with my hands in my pockets trying to make sense of it all.
  
There’s no way this could ever had been about winning. For IK it looks like the “Devil got his due”. Ugh…couldn’t resist….
  
 

Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?

by USHA#17 on Oct 12, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same message

That greedy prick and his asshole agent may well have ruined this team for years. Gotta feel for the fans in Jersey. Lou shoulda had the balls to resign if management was going to fuck up the team like this. All so this peckerface could earn as much as Ovechkin.

Hope that DL comes out smelling like a rose…

by Steve S. on Oct 12, 2010 12:07 AM PDT reply actions  

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