Schenn to AHL on conditioning loan? Hmm.
Disclaimer: half-baked thoughts to follow. I'm really not sure what I think about this, nor do I know if any other team's have sent junior-eligible players to the AHL on conditioning loans. Maybe you'll tell me this happens all the time. First I've heard of it.
- CBA Article 13.8 allows a team to send a player on the active roster to the AHL for "conditioning purposes" for up to two weeks. This is, per Rich Hammond, what the Kings have just invoked re Brayden Schenn's assignment to Manchester of the AHL.
- The NHL and the CHL have an agreement (the so-called 1995 agreement) which is not available to the public. We don't know exactly what's in the agreement, but the gist of it is supposed to be (as it's frequently paraphrased), "players with junior eligibility not playing in the NHL must be returned to the CHL."
- The NHL/CHL agreement, whatever it really says, is grandfathered in by the NHL 2005 CBA.
- 13.8 specifically describes the NHL commissioner's authority to investigate the circumstances of a player's conditioning loan, to determine whether the loan is an attempt to evade "any provision" of the CBA.
- "9.1(iv): The return dates to Major Juniors (as established by Agreement between the NHL and the Canadian Hockey League, dated May 2, 1995 [...] are hereby confirmed and affirmed [...] (e.g., return dates, prohibition on sending underage players to minors)." Not really grammatical (shocking, I know), but it's arguable that the CBA considers violating the CHL agreement a circumvention.
- The big hiccup is that we don't know what's in the CHL agreement. But if the often-repeated paraphrase is accurate, it's pretty clear that a conditioning loan to the AHL is not what the CHL would mean by "playing in the NHL."
- Does the NHL care really, if the CHL gets upset? I have no idea. But:
- The nine-game limit is not, as far as I know, a part of the NHL/CHL agreement. The nine-game limit is found in CBA Article 9(d)(i). Players can be returned to junior at any time, even after the nine game limit is reached; but (per 9(d)(i)) at game 10 the player's contract kicks in. When and how a player gets paid is kinda sorta (entirely) a CBA issue.
- I think that logic still folds back in on (or refers back to) the CHL agreement.
- I have to assume the Kings asked the league and/or the union in advance if this move would be okay. Otherwise, it seems a little dicey; mitigated perhaps by the fact that the transgression may be only of the secret CHL agreement, which we can't see. But still...
[UPDATE: turns out, according to Rich Hammond, Schenn has not yet been assigned because the Kings are in conversation with the league about the particulars, i.e. "how can we do this so it's allowed by the CBA?" Like I said...]
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Schenn to Manchester...
I wondered how long it would take for you to weigh in on this move…
—ROTFLMAO!!!!!
(I’m still on the floor, by the way. Makes the typing difficult…)
In a year where every rule on Circumvention seemed bypassed/ignored/twisted until no longer recognizable, I imagine this is just another one of those rules.
My question will be, sitting up now seriously, how many of these ‘Junior Eligible’ players who played in the AHL actually returned to the AHL?
erase, erase, erase...
…returned to the Junior team?
Well... one thing is for sure:
If the League slaps down the Kings for trying to circumvent the CBA, I, for one, will not cry about how the League is “biased” against the Kings.
"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim
Q/anyone else surprised at King being recalled?
Any other other Manchester wingers u think might be a better fit or does Dwight seem most logical? I’ve paid little attention to what’s been transpiring down at Manchester U…
by kiosku2 on Nov 16, 2010 4:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions
After Last Night's Game
Lombardi/Murray are gonna make sure they always ice a trio of big, capable forwards.
Dallas' Color Guy
-Daryl Reaugh - is a quality sports announcer. Possesses a deep vocabulary that he’s not afraid to use. He even managed a James Joyce reference during a broadcast.
On Circumvention
At least Lombardi has the sense to consult with the League before making such a sketchy move.
If it flies
An inspired gambit, more so given the developing circumstances.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
Circumvention
First off, can circumvention be legally used on a blog site? Just wondering, get it?
Secondly, even though Lombardi “asks” the league if it’s ok to send Schenn down, really, can it be even in the spirit of the rules? But if it is, the flood gates have to be opened and other teams will ask. That’s what makes it not gonna fly for the Kings, I think.
Conditioning huh?
Wheat Kings must be going berserk over this…
"Marriage is the leading cause of divorce"
Hope it works
I really hope this works for Schenn, because really he is in a position now where he hasn’t played a game in weeks, so the Kings have to do something with him.
Does the CBA define what they mean by “conditioning”, because that could be the sticking point. If Schenn was playing regularly, then got injured and sat out a few weeks, I don’t think they’re be a problem sending him down to get him back up to speed. But I’m not sure the excuse of “we benched him for so long that we want to get him games in the AHL before we let him play again here” is going to fly.
But I’m not sure the excuse of "we benched him for so long that we want to get him games in the AHL before we let him play again here" is going to fly.
I think the Kings are going to claim that his knee injury makes him unable to play at the NHL level so he needs to get up to speed in the AHL. I don’t know if that’s going to fly but that’s probably what they’ll say.
Patrick Lalime was sent down for conditioning because Ryan Miller stole all his playing time last year, so i don’t think you actually need a reason. However, with the CHL involved, it might become more complicated.
Mike Weber: Rejailed into the pressbox.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Looks like the league approved the move…Schenn is headed to the Monarch’s, per Rich. Definitely a head scratcher.
I’m pretty surprised as well. I thought the league was going to tell them that if they want Schenn to do a conditioning assignment they can send him to juniors for a couple weeks then call him back up.
If he’s sent to junior, he can’t come back basically. He can go to Manchester AFTER Brandon is done for the year. I believe Quisp answered this exact question on Hammond’s blog.
Hey, DL did good, for the Kings AND for Schenn.
The rule about junior players only involves sending them to the AHL. They are allowed to be called up to their NHL team any time, just not allowed to be sent down to the minors unless they are over 20 or have already completed 4 years of junior.













