Probability and Kings' Birthdays, seriously...
In Sunday's fit of boredom, I added a column for birthdays to the Kings reserve list (the master list that contains all the players under contract plus unsigned draft picks and players playing in Europe whose rights are controlled by the team). I decided it would be useful to have that information next to the waiver and draft data. In Monday's fit of boredom, I made a list of birthdays by month and day only (you know, for all of those birthday parties we like to throw here at SBN).
There are 68 players on the list (actually now there are only 65, but I put this together pre-Ersberg and a couple other deletions). How many do you suppose share a birthday with another player on the list? Not talking about years here, just month and day.
(Yes, this is a math problem. No, it has nothing to do with hockey. This is what happens when you have four days off.)
Sixty-eight players with sixty-eight birthdays. How many have a birthday on the same day as another player in the Kings organization?
Would you believe 18? Slightly better than 1/4. Here's the list, chronologically by birthday:
The most common illustration of this effect: take any group of 23 people (e.g. the active roster of one NHL team, or a classroom of kids). The odds of any two people in a group of 23 sharing the same birthday is just better than 50%. That is, half the time, if you check the birthdays on the roster of a sports team (if they have 23 players or more), you will find at least one pair of players who share a birthday. Try it next time you're looking at your $10 program between periods.
With 57 people, the odds are higher than 99% that there will be at least one match. So it's not probably/possibly not so surprising that the Kings reserve list of 68 has 18 different matched pairs. I say it's not surprising, but I am still surprised by it every time.
If you're interested in getting into the numbers, the gist is described by Wikipedia as The Birthday Problem.
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Please expand on this while taking into account NHL player birthday-clumping, as described by Malcolm Gladwell in his book Outliers.
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California Über Alles
Battle of California
Yeah, I saw that article. And yes, it does appear that more players are born in the early part of the year
about 1/3 are born July-Dec, 2/3 jan-june. nearly half are jan-march.
given the effect he describes in the article, you would also expect the birthday “pairs” to cluster in the first part of the year, which they do. The latest pair is in July. None in August-Dec.
Because I’m a dork, I just ran the numbers limiting the probability analysis to the players born in the first three months of the year.
There are 90 days (instead of 365). The odds of two players from the pool selected at random sharing the same birthday is 1/90. The odds cross over 50% between 12 and 13 players, and cross 99% between 27 and 28 players.
Wait till this year.
Gladwell’s observation is based on month dates of Canadian players. It seems even though the Kings also have a good proportion of American and European players in there as well, the relationship still holds quite well.
Actually, based on Gladwell’s numbers, the Kings are even more skewed towards the 1st half of the year than his Canadian player sample.
Ok… when’s the next game??? :-)
by Passemoilapuck on Nov 9, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
That chart from that ESPN interview is interesting because they specifically did not look at only Canadian players, and it still holds true that more players are born in the earlier months. I’m not sure what Gladwell’s explanation is for American and European players, but it’s a definite statistical Thing.
California Über Alles
Battle of California
missed the caveat
I thought the ESPN numbers were from Gladwell.
by Passemoilapuck on Nov 9, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
The only upside to those long breaks is that we get to have Quisp crunching numbers for us and developing actuarial models demonstrating how good the Kings are doing! ;)
While this probability exercise does not really try to measure or predict team performance, I gotta say I predicted that the 4-day break would lead to some number crunching… :) It’s nice to know I’m not the only Rain Man type around here!
My dad shares a birthday with Derek Forbort. They both play defense, and if they both stay healthy, they should also play pretty much the same number of games this season. Main difference is that my dad is 70, going on 71.
your dad and Forbort share a birthday with me
i play defense in NHL 10 Be a Pro
I blame Gary Bettman for this
The hell with this 4-day break… Again…
/goes back to sleep
"Marriage is the leading cause of divorce"
I'm disappointed to not share a birthday with any of the boys,
however I am relieved that my birthday lies much closer to Dustin Brown’s than John Zeiler’s
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Nov 10, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions
















