Poll: Worst Trade 1990-1999
by Quisp on Feb 11, 2010 12:23 PM PST
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I assume you mean “worst” for one side, because it’s going to be “best” for the other unless it was a deal where everyone lost.
Calgary fans probably still hate the Gilmour trade but in Toronto hooo baby.
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It’s hard not to look at these trades and consider the situation of each team and/or players at the time. For instance, I hated the return the Kings got back at the time, but Gretzky was going to leave any way. The Patrick Roy trade looks ridiculous, but Roy wanted out and the Habs hands were tied. Hasek was a nobody at the time, etc.
But for sheer audacity I would point to the Lindros trade as one of the worst of all time… well, for the Flyers. Even if Lindros hadn’t had all of the concussions and he was still playing now I believe the Nordiques still got the better end of the trade. I was shocked then and I still shake my head now.
Didn’t Lindros lead the Flyers to an Eastern Conference Championship? I prefer to think that the trade was beneficial for both the Nordiques and Flyers.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 11, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
My recollection about Quebec and Lindros
Wasn’t Quebec in a bad position because Lindros refused to sign with them, and his parents were all up in everyone’s grille about how their son would be stupid to sign with such a crappy team? Considering that, getting the $15 mil from Philly was an achievement, because that was a lot of money back then.
People talk about Jack Johnson’s dad as being a pain, but I recall that Lindros’ parents make him look like a pushover.
I have no dog in this fight, but the Lindros family has always been the poster family for that special flavor of meddling parent.
I was just saying elsewhere that Lindros’s numbers are much better than his rep, basically because of his charming personality, I guess. His numbers and Forsberg’s are very close.
Wait till this year.
Balls,
I agree that Lindros was productive for the Flyers, but I scratched my head due to the amount of quality the Flyers gave up for a prospect. I know Linrdros was a sure thing, but to give up so much for one player seems foolish to me. Most of us would’ve given up what the Flyers gave up and more for Bobby Orr right? Bobby Orr also finished his career at a young age due to his knees. Anything can happen to one player, even a young player with tremendous upside. Just ask the Boston Celtics about Len Bias. As great as Crosby and Ovechkin are they could still suffer a devastating injury at a young age. Now they probably won’t and may have long careers, but would you trade away the equivalent of what the Flyers gave up in Kings chips for either player? Or how about Taylor Hall? The Flyers did and the Nords/Avs can thank them for it.
I don't disagree with you and I can certainly see the argument
I just think Lindros’ stats are better than most of the players on the crappy side of your typical terrible trade.
Wait till this year.
Fair enough. Lindros certainly was an exceptional player. He fits into the proto-typical mold of a Pierre McGuire “Beast” and he may end up in the Hall of Fame. I wouldn’t have a problem with that. My issue is with the dynamics of the trade. I realize this excercise has everything to do with 20/20 hindsight, but I believe that of all of the trades listed in the poll it is the worst one at point of conception. I just question if the whole risk vs. reward scenario was worth it for the Flyers.
All in all though, great stuff Quisp. You and Connie are doing great at expanding the scope of hockey for Kings fans and Southern California in general. I’m loving it.
I wonder what would have happened if Lindros had been drafted in the cap era
It doesn’t seem like anyone would give up the farm for him. Actually, I never understood why Quebec picked him after he said he wouldn’t play for them, but I guess they were right, since they have the cups to prove it.
Wait till this year.
Do not forget the New York Rangers!
We must not forget that the New York Rangers wanted also Lindros and offered many quality players to Quebec, and if I remember well the Rangers were pissed off when the Flyers got EL, because they thought they had a done deal with Quebec.
So there was an overbid, which explains why the Flyers offered so much in the last round of the bid. The done deal was not their first proposition to Quebec, but when they learned what the Rangers were offering, they had to outbid them.
Of course, Quebec knew that Lindros was not going to play for them; Lindros’ mother, Bonnie, had said so so often through the media. And in Quebec city, we thought that she was hilarious in her comments on Quebec.
Anyway, the Nordiques guessed they would get something good from other teams interested in EL. Although I am sure they never dreamed in all their wildest dreams that they would get so much.
As for the Nordiques becoming the Avalanche of Colorado, that allowed the last piece of the winning puzzle to come through:Patrick Roy. Never Montreal would have exchanged Patrick Roy to their great division rival, the Nordiques. But to Colorado, no problem. And I am sure that the fact that Patrick Roy’s earlier agent, Pierre Lacroix, had become general manager of the Colorado Avalanche, helped a lot.
With Patrick Roy as their goaler, the Avalanche were now serious contender for a Stanley Cup, and they won it in their first year in Colorado, in 1996, winning 4-0 the finale against a really weaker team, the Florida Panthers.
Colorado’s real finale was in the Western conference demi-finale against the Red Wings who would become their fierce rival for years to come.
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by god's clown on Feb 13, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
In each case the circumstance is everything. Nobody is going to make any of these trades if they know who is going to pan out and who is not going to. So it’s actually an exercise of comparing expectations and actual returns, long term. What we think we’re getting vs. what it turns out we got. As far as the Kings go, the Gretzky deal was no good, but the Kurri deal was gold, so they kind of cancel each other out. If we hadn’t selected Matt Zultek in the first round the next year, life would have been better.
Wait till this year.
Milbury
Listen, Milbury should win this no problem. At least the Flyers got to a Stanley Cup Final with Lindros.
Lets go through some of the Lunacy, shall we?
JP Dumont for Dmitri Nabokov
An ongoing trend in Milbury history is arguing with agents to the benefit of no one. Dumont picked 3rd overall in 96 was in one such case. Due to this he was traded to Chicago for Nabokov.
Total NHL games for Nabokov: 55 Total NHL Games for Dumont: 678 + 42 playoff games and counting.
Berard For Potvin
Following a rare injury to Tommy Salo, Milbury freaks out and trades for much maligned (every start caused his trade value to drop) Felix Potvin. The move for Potvin might not have been a bad idea, but giving up former Calder winner Berard (who was quite impressive for a bad Islanders team) for a washed up Potvin was insane. The only reason this doesn’t rate higher is due to Berard’s freak injury.
Bertuzzi, McCabe 3rd Rounder for Linden
This was when Milbury basically destroyed the team. He had promised that season the Islanders would make the playoffs. Coming off an impressive 10 game run, he made this trade to give the team Veteran leadership for the playoff push. He also fired Rick Bowness and re-hired himself as coach. Bertuzzi and McCabe both were long term members of his dog house, while the 3rd rounder went on to become Jarkko Ruutu. Linden meanwhile was miserable in NY and the team faltered following this trade/coaching change.
I hate Milbury with a passion. No one in the history of hockey stumbled onto so much talent to just piss it away. I mean his Dog house is almost legendary. The players I know who were in it (along with Bertuzzi and McCabe) include Travis Green, Zdeno Chara, Kenny Johnsson, Tommy Salo, Eric Brewer and Olli Jokinen. Basically every young player that Milbury put the weight of the franchise on and faltered the slightest would wind up there.
"Martin is psychical" - In reference to Matt Martin being called up to the Islanders.
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