How Many Kings Teams Had More Points After 56 Games?
One.
The 1974-75 Kings were five points better, 76 points. (The 1980-81 Kings -- Jim Fox's rookie year -- equaled this year's number, 71 pts.)
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Let's not do this ...
… It’s silly to compare this team to two of the three best regular seasons in Kings’ history. Those past teams didn’t get extra points for winning a post-game coin flip or points for losing. You know better.
I don't think I know better.
Kings have three loser points this year. if you subtract them, well, they’re still better at this point than every other team in franchise history except for, off the top of my head, 2002, 1991, 1981 and 1975. Fifth best, instead of second best, out of 43, is still meaningful.
In any case, you can’t just isolate one issue (in your case, the loser point) as if it somehow invalidates any comparison of teams from different eras. There are myriad differences between the 70s and 2010. Players now are bigger, stronger, the equipment is more substantial, there’s less fighting, more head injuries, younger players, more teams, better talent now because of European players, faster harder shots, technically superior goaltending. You could easily make the argument that the 74-75 Kings benefited greatly from the watered down post-expansion crappiness of the talent pool. Were the players better on average then or worse? That’s a big debate. Was their more or less parity? Another debate (p.s. the answer is, there was less). The idea of comparing point totals is to look at how well a team did relative to its peers. If you think that it was much harder to earn points back then, I suggest you look at the standings for that season. The Kings finished 4th out of 18 teams. This year, at this point, they are 6th out of 30. That sounds about right, doesn’t it, since the 74/75 Kings finished with 105 points and this year’s team is on pace for about 101.
Also, by the way, if you take this year’s standings and subtract the loser points (i.e. making them losses, not ties) the Kings rise in the standings, from 6th to 4th or 5th.
Wait till this year.
You don't?!?! ...
… I noticed that you didn’t bother to touch on my other point, which was the shootout, or the "post-game coin flip", from which the Kings have earned an extra 8 points, most in the NHL. I don’t blame you; it wasn’t convenient for your argument, so you left it out.
If you want to make an honest comparison here, it isn’t hard to do: The Kings would have 11 ties at this juncture, which combined with their 26 legitimate wins would give them a record of 26-19-11. That isn’t bad. It’s good for 63 points. However, it’s a good ways below the 76 in ’75 or the 71 in ’81. The Kings have outscored their opponents by, what, 11 goals? Again, not bad, but not anywhere near the ’75, ’81, or ’91 teams.
As for the labored dialogue on the quality of play in ’75, I know of this as well; I didn’t see where it was germane to the discussion, but OK. I suppose you needed to move the goalposts a bit, or try a misdirect? I’m not sure. Anyway, I think there were about 22 or 23 total "major league" teams in the mid-70s with the NHL and WHA, somewhere around there. There’s 30 today, but there are far more players from outside North America as well. The game has obviously changed, but was it more watered down then as opposed to now? Probably a little more, yeah. Was there more parity then? Absolutely not. Not with the Flyers and Canadiens in the league in ’75. No one is that dominant today.
I don’t mind comparing the Kings’ place in the standings this season with seasons past, but it’s still weak. In ’75, the Kings finished only 8 points behind the three teams tied for #1. This season’s Kings, even with the amazing shootout record, are still 7 points out of third place with 26 games to go, and double figures behind the top two in the league. It’s misleading to compare the teams – you have to shave the truth quite a bit to get there.
The shootout, etc.
The shootout is a joke. You can correct for it the way you did, by making everything a tie, in which case, as you point out, the team is still doing better than nearly every Kings team in the last 43 years. Which is, after all, the entire point of this post. It’s not any kind of complex diagnosis, and you’ll notice I didn’t make any kind of conclusion based on my original observation.
You, meanwhile, decided that it was a worthless comparison and to immediately disprove yourself you proceeded to issue a laundry list of reasons why it’s an interesting one. Good work.
As far as the shoot-out being convenient or not for my argument, it’s neither. It’s part of the way points are handed out now. If you reduce the Kings points by turning shoot-out wins into ties, you have to do it for everyone else. I would be willing to bet, if you did that, the Kings would still be in the top ten of the league, in which case my point that the team is essentially on a par with or better than every other Kings team except the 74/75 team is not only valid, but pretty obvious.
However, let’s sum up.
ME: The Kings have a lot of points, compared to past Kings teams.
YOU: But the OTL/SOL point has led to some point inflation.
ME: True. But even if you correct for it, the Kings still have a lot of points compared to past Kings teams.
YOU: Your argument is specious and I have run rings around you logically.
ME: Projection denied.
Wait till this year.
That's OK ...
… again, I just feel it’s a more logical and honest comparison to look at the Kings’ teams from perhaps 88-89 or 99-00 as being better matches for this season, not 74-75 or 80-81.
Since I’m probably one of the few posters old enough to have actually seen the 74-75 Kings play, I would hazard that this year’s team is quite a bit better. That team truly overachieved. They had no top scorers, and played a highly structured defensive game and had perhaps the top goalie in the league, Rogie Vachon. They were similar to the Buffalo Sabers that reached cup finals in the 90’s, with Domenick Hasek and a bunch of spear carriers.







