Is Jack Johnson nuts? [...or is Tim Wharnsby just pulling **** out of his ***?]
[UPDATE: So I just watched Jack Johnson's phone interview on NHL Live; they ask him about the Doughty snub story and he says it's b.s. and says that he, Brown, Quick and Doughty all flew up on Air Canada together. Now, he's obviously talking about the flight up to Vancouver once the Olympic break had begun, not the chartered flight he took to attend the opening ceremonies, which is the one in question. Regardless, he flat out denies the story from Rick Wharnsby of CBC. At this point, frankly, I'm bored of my own post. What especially irks me is that, we all know to steer clear of blog/message-board rumors, and maaaaaaaybe it's sometimes okay to give some tiny amount of half-assed credence to a legit reporter passing along a rumor from a legit source (and even then...), but when actual reporters from actual big-league national news agencies (i.e. CBC, The Globe and Mail) tell you something actually happened, wouldn't it be nice if they weren't just as unreliable as some guy on the HF Boards?]
In ten years, we might well look back and say that Jack's future as a true star in the NHL began in the Vancouver games. Of all the Kings, he has spent the most time at the top of the list of people I am dying to see bust out. And I know there are plenty out there like me. So why he is so bent on being the bad guy in his own stories? [Maybe because the story is made up?]
While Kane has kept in touch with his three Chicago teammates throughout the Olympics - and shared a taxi with Toews to go downtown from the athletes village on evening when the two were meeting their parents - the same can't be said about Los Angeles Kings defenceman Jack Johnson and his teammate Drew Doughty.
Johnson has refused to answer Doughty's texts. He also didn't offer him the same courtesy he did to another Kings on the U.S. team, Dustin Brown and Jonathan Quick, when he hired a charter flight to fly up for the opening ceremonies. This not only befuddled Doughty, but Brown, too.
(via Vancouver Now)
First there was the thing with his dad soliciting offers from the KHL, which I wrote off as being essentially made up (because after all that's crazy! What normal person would do that?). Then there was the dust-up over Lombardi's comments to Gann Matsuda about the University of Michigan. Now there's this.
One thing I notice about these last two incidents: in both, Johnson is taking an extreme position regarding his conflicting loyalties. In the first, he must defend his alma matter against attack from his current boss, and he goes a bit farther than most people would. In the second, he is in effect telling his current teammates, for two weeks, I don't know you. Oh, and also, I dislike you. Have a good game. Again, going literally farther than everyone else around him. [You could also argue that the second story, in which JJ slights his Kings teammates, is fabricated specifically to cater to the fears of Kings fans who worry that JJ isn't loyal to the Kings, the same way an urban legend seems true because it speaks to the fears or prejudices of a certain group. In this case, the group is Kings fans, and their fear is they're about to be screwed over. I suppose the Vancouver press, which has a built-in resentment of JJ because of "the elbow", is not impartial. Well, duh. I don't expect or require sports writers to be impartial. Just accurate.]
Aren't there several dozen instances of NHL teammates now suiting up against each other? So why is Jack Johnson the one who gets the ink? It eventually came out that he sought out Helene Elliott to vent on the Lombardi/Michigan incident. Why the repeated statements of loyalty? I don't really need to know which team Jack loves more, this week's team, or next week's team, or some team from three or four years ago? (And what about Shattuck-St. Mary's? Why are they the odd school out? Not a serious question by the way.)
It's almost too easy to push this thing through a pop psychology machine and pull out a diagnosis. Right now, I'm just mesmerized by the fact that his attitude is insulting to practically everyone. [but, see "urban legend" theory above.] It's insulting to his Kings teammates [if true] , or his temporarily former teammates [if true] , as Jack appears to think of them. But it's also insulting to the other players on Team USA [if true], who are presumably also patriotic and dedicated, despite not having snubbed all their former friends.
I get it. Jack Johnson is fiercely loyal to Team USA, a team that's been together for just over a week. (yes, I do see that the idea of Team USA transcends this group of guys and these two weeks.) And he's fiercely loyal to the University of Michigan, a school that he attended for two years before leaving to play for the Kings (ibid). But it's hard to miss the fact that in both these incidents, the team that he's insulting -- you know, while he's being so loyal to U of M and Team USA -- is the Kings.
Last thought: does Jack think this is how a leader is supposed to act? Is this how Bobby Orr would have played it? Mario? Yzerman? Does this declaration make Team USA more of a team? Do his teammates look at him and say, "hey, that guy is willing to lay it on the line for me. He's got my back"? No. Because the next thought is, "Until next Monday." [Or else they're smart enough to know not to believe what you read in the paper; I guess I'll have to try that.]
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OK, reading that article, it doesn’t get any better, but there is a decided lack of quotes. So I can’t honestly tell where the reporter is getting that from. Going by context, he relates the POVs of both Doughty and Brown (they are befuddled by this behavior) but gives no perspective on Johnson’s motives. Possibly that suggests that he might have talked to Drew and/or Dustin instead of Jack going to the media with it. Still, weeeeird.
In Dinglebarn We Trust
Some context
It was mentioned during a telecast that Crosby jumped on a charter plane that didn’t ( wouldn’t) take Orpik or Malkin along for the ride. The broadcasters said that it is fairly customary for teammates to fly with their country and not each other. So Doughty and Brown may have been befuddled because they are either less serious about this kind of stuff in general, or just surprised by the practice since its their first Olympic games.
The text stuff is goofy. I am willing to give JJ some benefit of the doubt with that one. I imagine he is very busy and very distracted. If he is doing it with malicious intent, then that’s a little overboard, but it could also be just a ritualistic type thing. Stick with the teammates, myopia for two weeks, blah blah, which while not the most polite or evolved way to behave, doesn’t overly disturb either.
by Surly Jacob (JDM) on Feb 22, 2010 5:32 PM PST reply actions
Hmm. First off, there’s no way I would infer along the same lines as Quisp regarding JJ’s intent here — i.e.
he’s telling his current teammates, “f*** you, we are not friends now. For two weeks, I don’t know you. Oh, and also, I dislike you.”
Really? Where is JJ telling anybody anything? There are no sources actually quoted, so why make such an assumption? (Maybe you just don’t like JJ?)
Besides, if you know JJ’s history of past international play in Canada, it’s not entirely unimaginable that the Vancouver media wouldn’t mind making him look bad.
Who really knows who said what to whom about what? This article poses more questions than it answers.
Having said that, however, JJ is obviously making the most of his opportunity to milk this experience for all it’s worth to him. And I guess that seems right in line with his personality. It might not be in line with what some of us value as a team-first ethos for a hockey player, but participating in the Olympics is, for many, one of those once-in-a-lifetime opportunities where one’s current priorities, loyalties, etc. are prone to get a bit distorted.
Even if this story were true, and Quisp’s analysis were accurate — Oh, well! There’s bound to be an a**hole here and there. Unfortunately, JJ is gonna be JJ, regardless of what any of us wish he would or wouldn’t be.
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by falmer on Feb 22, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Great point re Vancouver press
I can’t believe I forgot about that.
Re assumptions: just to clarify, I am not quoting him saying those things, I am saying that by his actions it was as though he said those things. It’s an interpretation, sure, but I think it’s right. The point is, what’s he going to do in a week?
As far as posing more questions than it answers: yeah, it’s true. Because I don’t know the answer. Thus: blogging. But, again, you mention who said what to whom. I didn’t. I’m just going off of what was reported as fact. None of which has to do with quotes. Except for the I dislike Team Canada thing.
Yes, re milking the opportunity FOR HIM. Exactly. And yet, somehow this is passed off as patriotism or loyalty or something. It’s weird.
I don’t have a problem with JJ being an ***hole, if that’s what he is. I just want him to be loyal to what I am loyal to, which shouldn’t be hard, since I also am an American who went to the University of Michigan.
Wait till this year.
Understood.
And well put.
If nothing else, JJ certainly has wasted no time is displaying a knack for attracting media controversy.
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I just went back and put in an "in effect" to clarify the potentially confusing part
Wait till this year.
It does seem that JJ is taking the Olympics seriously
More seriously than any of his teammates (except perhaps Smyth, who skipped out to carry the torch). Notice how he was the only King who left the team just to march in the opening ceremonies.
He was the only member of the USA hockey team at the opening ceremony
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by Buck Turgidson on Feb 23, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
I’m guessing he’s a giant “me-monster”
Seriously. Looking back at his track record and rearing as a hockey player, it would make sense that he might be a bit selfish and thrive by orientating himself at the center of every situation. How else would a teen with the moniker J"MF"J turn out?
It also makes sense that this attitude is what makes the guy so good, and potentially great…sometimes the really great players are a-holes, right? Maybe Dean needs to make room for “one jerk on the team”?
I'm not sure...
but I think the “MF” nickname was coined relatively recently by Kings fans, during the early frenzy following JJ’s trade from the Canes. There was some intense hype back then. It was fun. Lots of optimism for this guy. But I agree with Quisp that he’s the one I’ve been most anticipating to realize his full potential (or what I fantasize that full potential to be). Until then, I’m afraid to say that the “MF” is not going to hold much clout.
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Cool!
I stand corrected.
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I too was under the impression...
… that the ‘MF’ moniker was placed there by Kings fans as a result of the frustrating lack of attention he paid to his own end in his early professional career.
Knowing it was in place when he was at U of M and actually has the opposite meaning has erased its charm…
yes but we have a large sample of 23 year olds to observe
and only one JJ. maybe he needs to see Bull Durham.
Wait till this year.
or better yet
maybe he needs to spend a night as the roommate of Johnny Weir.
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us 23 year olds have feelings too! *waves fist ;)
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Feb 23, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
On that note...
in the waning seconds of the game, with both JJ and Drew on the ice, after Drew fumbled a pass in the slot, then recovered and sent a nice feed across the crease to a waiting teammate. Did anyone else notice in the resulting minor scrum after Miller covered the puck, JJ made a bee line for Drew. It almost looked like he singled him out on purpose…
Jack was snubbed first by
his Kings teammates from what I remember when he decided to go to the opening ceremonies he chartered a plane and invited all of his KIngs teammates to join him in a ‘once in a lifetime’ opportunity. They all refused to fly up with him. Being 23 and having such an important event to him being blown off by the guys he cares about probably hurt him a bit. Based on that he probably feels like he is taking this more seriously than his other Kings teammates. And I see a very business like approach to the game for him in the olympics.
Eventhough I don’t agree with not answering texts from Dewey it may be JJ’s way of not mixing serious business with pleasure. If you have watched the Brown interviews by Jimmy Fox Brown has had no time to see or talk to any other Kings teammates but no one is calling him crazy.
Regarding the opening ceremony
I believe I heard that JJ was the first and only active NHL player to march in the event. Is that accurate?
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 23, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
I think your right
JJ is the first and only active NHLer to march in the opening ceremonies. Forsberg and Morozov carried the flags for their respective countries but are no longer in the NHL.
and...
Ziggy Palffy carried the flag for Team Slovakia.
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If they had the opening ceremonies after the regular season was halted, I think there’d definitely be more NHL players attending.
Plus it was in Vancouver and it was actually possible to make it there and back before the next game. Not going to be able to do that in Sochi.
Plus it was in Vancouver and it was actually possible to make it there and back before the next game. Not going to be able to do that in Sochi.
Great point, Connie. I’m sure the games in Nagano and Italy made it impossible for the players to march there. However, why was everyone absent during the SLC games in ’02?
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 23, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
He couldn't have invited "all" of his teammates, because it was a plane with six seats,
for himself, his parents, his brother and that leaves two extra seats (I don’t know if those were filled or not). “They all” certainly did not refuse to fly with him; nor, frankly would Lombardi have allowed it. JJ had to leave before dawn the day after a game on basically a couple of hours of sleep and then return in the middle of the next night, with a game the next day. I don’t know what Brown’s reason was for declining the invitation (maybe he was tired), but there was this tidbit re Quick in the Times article:
Not everyone was as excited about Johnson’s trip, however. Kings goaltender Jonathan Quick, a fellow U.S. Olympian, said he never considered taking part in the Parade of Nations.
“It would be nice, but I’ve got a different view there,” he said. “I’m with this team and I’ve got to do my best to get ready for Saturday. Just leave it at that.”
So you can infer from that Quick and Johnson don’t agree. And from the other articles that Brown and Doughty are scratching their heads. But that’s about it.
Wait till this year.
I should have been more clear with my
wording I meant the other olympians on the kings. the article I read I believe stated he invited brown, quick, doughty, handzus who all declined to travel with him. I don’t understand how JJ could get permission to do this but the other 4 kings who have the same scheduele wouldn’t be allowed to travel by lombardi. I certainly understand quick not wanting to travel with the workload he has had this year but in the end JJ invited teammates and they refused for what ever reasons.
i'm certain that there were only two extra seats available
there’s even a JJ quote out there about there not being enough room for Doughty. (which turns out to be slightly disingenuous, it turns out; although maybe he’s not returning the texts because it would put him over limit on his plan.)
Wait till this year.
1) Yeah, the Canadian press is reporting this without any quotes. I’m wary.
2) Jack Johnson is a douche bag. Everyone knows this.
The West Coast is the Best Coast.
Canadian Media + American douche bag hockey player
= bad press
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Wary, yes, me too.
Like I was wary when Helene Elliott wrote that JJ piece and I said it was b.s. and got all “JJ isn’t stupid” and then it turned out to be all JJ.
Wait till this year.
"... but he's our douchebag"
I think this will become another tempest in a teapot, like Dinglebarn’s UM remark’s, in that it’s blowing up quickly and will dissipate quickly.
I predict no long-term consequences from this. He will not become a locker room pariah, nor will Dinglebarn trade him, just because he snubbed Doughty during the Olympics, or because took the Games more seriously than his teammates did. They may count as strikes against him if he doesn’t play well for the Kings, but they will mean nothing if he plays well.
When asked about how the players would react if Dinglebarn made a major trade at this point, Rich Hammond said that he thought the players would accept a new guy as long as they felt he could help the team win. Same with a current teammate who’s kind of a jerk, I think. If JJ lives up to most or all of his perceived potential and helps the team win, things will be cool. If he underachieves, it becomes much harder to overlook his obnoxiousness. In either case, it’s what he does on the ice that’s most important.
As long as JJ helps the Kings win, all of this is small beer. To paraphrase FDR, “He’s a douchebag, but he’s our douchebag.”
I don't see him in the same light
I don’t read every piece of info on the kings but like I said before Brown has said most of his free time has been spent outside the village at the hotel with his wife. No one is calling him a douche for not seeking out his kings teammates and hanging with them. JJ has been quoted as saying that walking in the opening ceremony was the greatest experience in his life. He also said he wouldn’t be in this position if it weren’ t for his family. He flew them up on the charter and is probably more interested in spending this time with his family just like brown. These guys get to see each other throughout the rest of the season and missing a few texts is more than forgivable.
I think it is rude not to answer texts but who knows how many this guy is getting ? If you look at some of his quotes he gives credit where credit is due. He gives thanks to his family and coaches in both the U.S. hockey program and at Michigan. He seems to have a lot of pride in whatever sweater he is or has worn and will defend them when felt attacked. I think his attitude as a competitor is shown in his actions. Once he is wearing the red, white, and blue Dewey and Zues are no longer teammates. I think this just shows his comepetive intensity. I don’t agree but I can understand his viewpoint. Some guys need to view the oppositon as the enemy in order to keep their intesity at a high level. If this is what JJ needs to do in order to play the way he has in the tourney then let him do it.
right, but he's been a King for longer than he was at Michigan, by a long shot.
Wait till this year.
wasn't he at michigan for two years ?
And both Zeus and Dewey have been his teammates for less than two seasons.
yes, two years at UofM
this is his third full season with the Kings, though he did finish the end of 07-08 here, too.
Wait till this year.
however
JJ was practically branded a Wolverine before he was born, because of his dad, etc. And probably an “American” as well. But playing for LA was not something that was foreordained for him. It’s not like he grew up always wanting to play for the Kings. I mean, it’s just like any of us, we have certain loyalties, biases, etc. that are almost like blood ties, instilled into us at a young age, and really beyond our control. JJ is maybe an extreme case of this. As far as the NHL goes, I wouldn’t be surprised if, when his UFA time comes, he decides to play for Detroit.
But that’s getting way ahead of the curve.
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I don’t have a problem with JJ not returning text messages with a teammate who opposes him for a short period of time if that indeed helps him focus more for Team USA, but if that is the case he could have done the courtesy of forewarning Doughty or even Zeus before the Olympics started so he wouldn’t look like a d-bag to his King teammates.
Man, that was a long sentence. And I don’t even like William Faulkner.
Jack Johnson on Jim Rome
In case you missed it, this interview puts some of what JJ’s said/done in perspective.
It’s an MP3 file: http://mvictors.com/audio/jack02-22.mp3
Let me say this: it is my personal belief that JMFJ’s heart isn’t into playing for the LA Kings. It’s clearly written on his face and in his demeanor. He’s not only 100% emotionless after after a shootout goal or an assist or after a great defensive play but more importantly the way he played with Michigan in his college days and now Team USA has clearly shown a different side of Jack: a boy having fun playing the game, not a man being out on the ice because he has to earn his fatty paycheck on a team he doesn’t have tattooed on his ars.
by savemefromtears on Feb 23, 2010 11:29 PM PST reply actions
Although it pains me as a diehard Kings fan, I have to agree with all that you just said. You could also point to the way Jack’s performance was raised to another level last year when he went to play for “Team USA” at the annual IIHF World Championships after the Kings season had ended in April once again. Jack just always seems to able to take his game to a different level when he is not wearing a Kings sweater. Too easily.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 23, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
The fact that he's capable of bringing his game to another level...
… should bring solace to us as Kings fans.
It may be (probably is) an issue of the difference in intensity between playing in a regular season game in a long grinding season and playing in a short intense tournament. We haven’t seen what he can bring to the playoffs yet so maybe we haven’t seen THIS JJ in a Kings sweater because we haven’t seen the Kings in the playoffs. I’m betting we’ll see it come late April…
+1
I think he will be a big-time playoff presence
"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be." -- Peter Gibbons
Re "another level"
It would not bring any solace my way to find that he has another “level” which he pulls out when he really cares. In fact, that reminds me so much of Rob Blake that I find it repulsive.
I haven’t thought about the Blake angle in a long time, but I remember worrying — after Blake left and little tidbits came out about how he was not a great influence — that his bad attitude might have rubbed off on Jack. The things that irritated me about Blake (not to open that can of worms; I’m sure I can dig up the old posts and threads that hashed this out ad nauseum) was that he (by his words and actions) appeared to be embarrassed to be on the Kings, because the Kings were rebuilding, because the Kings weren’t “winners,” and that Rob Blake deserves to be on a winner, because he’s a winner. So he went to a “winner,” (twice) and immediately started running at the mouth about how good it was to be playing for a winner and how tired he was of rebuilding and so on, and then, all of the sudden, his game finds this secret new “level.”
So now I guess it’s not too surprising that Jack appears to have a similar attitude. Michigan was one of the best teams in the country and he was worshipped there. What’s not to like? Team USA, again, he’s hand-picked and recognized as one of the best players in the world. Can’t argue with that! So why not this same loyalty to the Kings? Maybe it’s that he thinks he deserves better. Maybe it’s that he doesn’t like being told he needs to make some changes to the way he plays. Maybe it’s that if not only the team but the situation (i.e. the standings, the way his team is perceived) doesn’t constantly reinforce his cultural standing as a sports icon then he’s not all that into it. Which, if that’s the case, it’s not loyalty or competitive-edge, or any such thing. It’s entitlement.
Wait till this year.
Take a deep breath...
Let’s not blow this out of proportion. JJ has played well for the Kings. It’s not like he’s dragged them down this season.
The fact that he’s showing now that he’s capable of more is a good thing, if he brings that new level to the Kings during the playoffs. Not everyone can bring 110% intensity 100% of the time. I’d rather a good player who becomes great during the playoffs than a great player who disappears during the playoffs…
I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill
even though I can see how it would look like that; I’m just trying to make sense out of the details. Not everything is worth analyzing in depth, and maybe this situation is not. I have been a huge JJ supporter since before he was a King (being a Michigan person myself). I’m just reacting to what I see to be red flags.
Wait till this year.
That's an interesting comparison
But if it’s valid, we also have to acknowledge that the Kings now compare rather favorably to the Kings when Blake was in his prime (i.e., from after Gretzky was traded away to when Blake was traded to Colorado). So therefore, if JJ is only well motivated when he’s part of a successful team, or (like the Olympics) where his presence is an acknowledgement of his specialness, it should follow that he will be happy if the Kings win the Cup and develop into a perennial contender, as per DL’s grand plan.
So, as per my point above, winning will solve a lot of problems.
They compare favorably to every other Kings team in franchise history
however
when Blake left town the first time, the Kings had been in the playoffs recently and were on their way to the playoffs that year and the year after. So the Blake era had already turned it around, comparatively.
I agree re winning.
Wait till this year.
[Jack] says that he, Brown, Quick and Doughty all flew up on Air Canada together.
WTF??? Why did Jack choose to snub Michael Handzus? I demand an explanation!
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 26, 2010 11:25 AM PST reply actions
I'm glad you followed up on this
And the point about urban legends is very apt. Same thing with the JJ-Dinglebarn story, of course, and you’ve put your finger on why these stories about JJ generate so much comment.
Sadly, it has always been the case that not even respectable newspapers are completely reliable, and that’s probably even more true in the sports pages. There’s a reason why the expression “Don’t believe everything you read in the papers” is an old one. And I think that’s why blogging about sports and current events has gained so much traction in such a short time.
If all this were true (Or important, or interesting in the least bit..) Why hasn’t anyone mentioned Handzus? Actually, it makes sense that he would bring Quick and Brown and not the others, maybe they had different training schedules, maybe Doughty WANTED to stay in Canada, he probably has family there etc. It’s not like Doughty asked for a ride and Jack flipped him off and flew away with Brown and Quick in toe giggling like school kids. (though, that WOULD make for a much better story.) Anyway, this is all stupid and pointless, they are hockey players not whiny celebrities on a reality tv show.







