Worst Hockey Trade Ever?
Kovalchuk To Jersey Might Be The Stupidest Hockey Trade Ever - Habs Eyes On The Prize
How it looks, is that Devils GM Lou Lamoriello has paid the rental player rate for a player who essentially becomes just that. He's also gone out and gotten the most ill fitting player his team could have in terms of system adherence. The always defensively conscious Devils have now a player who rarely commits himself to his own end.
Sounds like a topic for a poll to me. We have one nomination, Kovalchuk to New Jersey. The comments from the Habs blog (link above) nominate Thornton to the Sharks. But I'm sure we all have our favorites. Dump yours in the comments and I'll put 'em in a poll so we can get to the bottom of this.
Here's what I have so far (alphabetical order, sorted by idiot team), but please fill in the numerous blanks. [UPDATE: lots of great suggestions have been added; thanks! Keep them coming. In a couple of days, we'll roll out the first of four polls, to select the worst trade pre-1979, to be followed by polls for 1980-89, 90-99 and 00-present, and then we'll poll the winners off each other, sort of Sweet 16 style. Then we'll finally know...]
UPDATE 2: The first poll (1962-1979) is here. The second poll (1980-1989) is here.
- Atlanta Thrashers trade Ilya Kovalchuk to the New Jersey Devils for Johnny Oduya and Patrice Cormier.
- Boston Bruins trade Joe Thornton to the San Jose Sharks for Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart and I forget who else, what does it matter.
- Calgary Flames trade Brett Hull to the St. Louis Blues for Rob Ramage.
- Calgary trades Doug Gilmour to Toronto Maple Leafs for Greg Leeman and several other spare parts.
- Chicago Blackhawks trade Dominik Hasek to the Buffalo Sabres for Stephen Boureguard.
- Chicago trades Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge and Fred Stanfield to Boston for Pit Martin, Gilles Marotte and Jack Norris. Boston wins two cups, with Esposito winning league MVP twice, leading the league in goals and points several times and becoming the first player ever to break 100 points in a season. And as for the two "other" guys the Bruins got: Ken Hodge had four 20 goal seasons, one 30 goal season, two 40 goal seasons, and one 50 goal season before being dealt to the Rangers for the guy who would be the Bruins leading scorer for the next several years (see below); and Fred Stanfield quietly amassed six consecutive 20 goal seasons (in three of which he had over 50 assists).
- Edmonton Oilers trade Wayne Gretzky, Marty McSorley and Mike Krushelnyski to the Kings for Martin Gelinas, Jimmy Carson, their 1989 first round pick (Jason Miller - played six NHL games), 1991 first round pick (Martin Rucinsky), 1993 first round pick (Nick Stajduhar - played two NHL games) and $15 million cash.
- Oilers trade Mark Messier for Bernie Nicholls, Steven Rice and Louie DeBrusk.
- Florida Panthers trade Roberto Luongo to the Vancouver Canucks for Todd Bertuzzi, who plays 7 games and leaves.
- New York Islanders trade Zdeno Chara and a 1st (Jason Spezza) to Ottawa Senators for Alexei Yashin.
- Islanders trade Roberto Luongo and Olli Jokinen to Florida for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.
- Islanders trade Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe and a pick (Jarkko Ruutu) for Trevor Linden, who later that year Milbury trades to Montreal for a 1st round pick (Branislav Mezei), who plays 24 games and is then traded for Jason Weimer, whom they waive.
- Los Angeles Kings trade 1st (Phil Housley) to Buffalo for Jerry Korab.
- Kings trade their 1st (Ray Bourque) to Boston for back-up goalie Ron Grahame. Grahame wins 23 games in the Kings net over three seasons.
- Kings trade Larry Murphy to Washington Capitals for Brian Engblom.
- Kings trade rights to Kevin Stevens (726 career pts) to Pittsburgh Penguins for Anders Hakansson (15, 12 and 4 goals for the Kings over three seasons).
- Kings trade Wayne Gretzky to the St. Louis Blues for Craig Johnson, Patrice Tardif, Roman Vopat, their 1996 fifth round pick (Peter Hogan) and 1997 first round pick (Matt Zultek).
- Montreal trades Patrick Roy and Mike Keane to Colorado for Jocelyn Thibault, Martin Rucinsky and Andre Kovalenko.
- Penguins trade Sergei Zubov to the Stars for Kevin Hatcher.
- Penguins trade Markus Naslund to the Canucks for Alek Stojanov.
- New York Rangers trade Rick Middleton (988 career points) to Boston for Ken Hodge, who then retires. Middleton scored about 900 points with the Bruins; Hodge had 68 for NYR.
- Rangers trade Petr Nedved and Sergei Zubov to the Penguins for Ulf Samuelsson and Luc Robitaille.
- (by popular request) Philadelphia trades Ron Hextall, Peter Forsberg, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Mike Ricci, '93 1st round pick (Jocelyn Thibault), Chris Simon, '94 1st round pick (Nolan Baumgartner) and $15M cash to Quebec for Eric Lindros.
- Toronto trades their 1st (Scott Neidermeyer) to New Jersey for Tom Kurvers. Kurvers scores 15 goals for the Leafs over two seasons.
- Vancouver trades Cam Neely and a 1st (Glen Wesley) to Boston for Barry Pederson.
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It’s kind of hard to compare these trades when some are pending UFA/rental/deadline deals, some are trades forced by player demands, some involve picks (like anybody knew that Boston would choose Bourque and that Bourque would become the player he did), some are salary-dumps (e.g. Joe Thornton), and maybe a few are good old-fashioned hockey trades. Lots of different motives, interests, needs, etc. at play there. I mean, what’s the point except to laugh, in retrospect, at the unexpectedly lopsided turnout? I guess that is the point.
Anyway, my vote for stupidest GM of all time is Mike Milbury, hands down. He might have had a little bad luck here and there, but he made a series of boneheaded trades that doomed the Islanders for years. (How about Luongo + Jokinen to Florida for Parrish + Kvasha?)
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by falmer on Feb 7, 2010 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anything by Mike Milbury.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Feb 7, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You got it. That's the point...
…to consider trades that turned out to be lop-sided. The flip-side, which would be equally interesting, would be trades that seemed stupid but turned out to be ingenious. It’s not really apples and oranges, gala vs. fuji maybe…but they’re all trades. As far as the trades for picks, I do think it’s fair to call a trade stupid when it involves a 1st round pick (i.e. it’s foreseeable that a 1st rounder might turn out to be a good player). It’s not like it was a 6th rounder and they picked off a future HoFer, which would get into a different area (namely, scouting).
I’ll add the Milbury trades to the list.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Feb 7, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's too depressing
That’s why I refuse to think too hard about this list. :-)
I understand falmer’s argument that it’s one thing to trade a draft pick vs. an established player because you generally don’t know who that pick will become and you don’t know how good he will be. But when you look at the Kings’ forlorn record of letting other teams reap the benefits of their high picks and young players (like Larry Murphy), I think it also speaks to a philosophy of how to build a successful sports franchise that you can debate in somewhat objective terms.
One of the things that I’ve liked about Dinglebarn just about from the start is that he has a sensible and logical approach to building a team that would be successful over the long run. It’s hard to see him trading 1st rounders for the likes of Ron Grahame or Jerry Korab, given where those Kings teams were in their development, just because it obviously cuts against his grain.
by DougX on Feb 7, 2010 2:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zhitnik for Cobourn was pretty awful.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Feb 7, 2010 2:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You realize that Wayne Gretzky was traded, right?
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by Derek Zona on Feb 7, 2010 6:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why, YES, I do...
twice, actually, and both trades were arguably bad. The thing is, the first trade COULD have been not stupid, depending on the draft picks and so on and so forth, and there’s also the issue of the $15MM; if Edmonton had picked, say, Adam Foote, Ziggy Palffy and Jason Allison, instead of a bunch of nothing, I don’t know how people would feel about the trade now. the second trade would certainly have been stupid had Gretzky had anything left in the tank, which he didn’t. However, they’re both worth putting in the poll, you’re right.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Feb 7, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 8, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are we going to do with our jerseys now?
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by Niesy on Feb 8, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My recollection may be wrong, but....
I recall that Peter Pocklington dealt Gretzky as a salary dump because the oil boom had come to an end and his other business was going very badly. Considering that, it seemed at the time that he at least got some return. Jimmy Carson had been a 50-goal guy and he was still very young. I certainly didn’t predict at the time that would tank so thoroughly. Gelinas, although he was ultimately not much more than a journeyman, was a 1st rounder with some potential.
by DougX on Feb 7, 2010 7:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How far back do you want to go? How about 1960: Detroit trades Red Kelly to Toronto for Marc Reaume? Kelly won four more Cups for the Leafs, Reaume played 38 uneventful games for the Wings.
Boston won the second Phil Esposito trade as well, Espo and Carol Vadnais to Rangers for Brad Park and Jean Ratelle. When Espo struggled in New York, the Rangers pulled the trigger on another trade (Hodge for Middleton, mentioned above) in hopes that the return of his old linemate (and trademate) Hodge would fire up Esposito. For the Rangers, a second epic fail on top of the first. Boston contended for several more years on the backs of those trades.
More recently, how about Pittsburgh trades Markus Naslund for Alek Stojanov? Naslund played almost 900 games for the Canucks, Stojanov just 45 for the Pens.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 7, 2010 8:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Those are both good. And the Naslund trade, I meant to include, but forgot. And the Messier trade, from your next comment...
Makes me think I should do a series of polls by decade, or maybe 60s/70s, 80s, 90s, 00s — four conferences…and we can get a winner from each decade and play them off each other in a championship poll. Yes, I think that’s right. Leading up to the trade deadline.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Feb 7, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Naslund trade needs context
Naslund was a RFA and wanted a huge deal. However, he had a mediocre season playing with Lemieux for about half of it…word was he was intimidated by the personalities in the Pens locker room. He still was only ever going to be the 2nd RW on the team after Jagr and the team was seriously lacking toughness and Naslund played like a marshmallow.
So, the Pens picked up a guy to help on the forecheck (who happened to be in an accident in the offseason and never really played again) and started the first of the major salary dumps. Sure, he had a good career in Vancouver, but I still look at his playoff numbers and think Patrick made a reasonable decision, IMHO.
by guino27 on Feb 14, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Messier for Bernie Nicholls, Steven Rice and Louie Debrusk.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Feb 7, 2010 8:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Le Trade
Montreal trades Patrick Roy + Mike Keane to Colorado for Jocelyn Thibault + Martin Rucinsky + Andre Kovalenko.
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by falmer on Feb 7, 2010 9:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 8, 2010 8:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. I think any trade made by the Kings for about a 20 year stretch could be nominated….
Thanks for re-opening the wounds.
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by Cheap Seats on Feb 8, 2010 9:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Nordiques trade Eric Lindros to Philadelphia for Peter Forsberg, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall, Chris Simon, Kerry Huffman, Steve Duchesne, two first-round picks, and $15 million. The subsequent trades using those pieces netted the Nordiques/Avalance two Cups.
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by The Dark on Feb 8, 2010 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know, I know...
I will add it. Initially I didn’t because, well, because Lindros scored 865 points (more than a point per game), won a Hart Trophy, led his team to the finals, had four 40 goal and three or four 30 goal seasons (including 40-something his rookie year), and got 115 points one season. Strangely, Forsberg had his career high 116 (one more than EL) the same season as EL’s peak (95/96), and also he scored 885 career points (just 20 more than EL). Lindros had more goals, Forsberg more assists. Obviously, the other pieces in the trade tip things in QUE/COL’s favor. But I really think EL’s wonderful personality does harm to his numbers, which are obviously great.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Feb 8, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Lindros was a great player
If only he’d kept his head up…
On the other hand, the Flyers traded half a team for him (slight exaggeration). If you look at points for each year Lindros was at Philly, the leaders among the players involved in the trade were:
1992-93: Duchesne
1993-94: Lindros
1994-95: Lindros
1995-96: Forsberg
1996-97: Forsberg
1997-98: Forsberg
1998-99: Forsberg
1999-00: Forsberg
Arguably, Forsberg for Lindros was an even trade as far as on-ice value (Lindros was a much bigger name at the time). Then you add in a veteran scorer with a couple good years left (Duchesne), a solid defenseman (Simon), a young prospect (Ricci, 2 year veteran at the time), and the kitchen sink (Huffman), PLUS picks? Oi vey.
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by The Dark on Feb 8, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Killer analysis…spot on. But Duchesne was the defenseman (puck-mover) and Simon a winger (one tough hombre of indigenous American descent).
Oh, and Eric Lindros is an a-hole…just saying.
by JZarris on Feb 8, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lindros Filled the building
Remember when the deal was made the favorite chant was “Jay Must Go” and you could get a ticket. Not only did they fill the building after that deal its what got the new building built.
Also the Simon pick wasn’t in the orginal deal it was the 2 first that the Flyers screwed up that year , Sutter and Bowen.
by jajp on Feb 14, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Kings fan, I usually choose to deal with this topic by flat-out avoidance. But I do think the “worst trade per decade” option is a good idea. Once the shaking stops.
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by Niesy on Feb 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Worst trades for one player?
Dallas fan, so how about the trades involving Sergei Zubov? The Rangers were rather dumb, but at least they were addressing a perceived need. And then the Penguins were just plain stupid, I think Hatcher’s mullet blinded them to how bad he was…
Rangers → Penguins
Sergei Zubov and Petr Nedved for Ulf Sammuelson and Luc Robitaille, a pair of 25~ year olds for a pair of 30~ year olds.
Penguins → Dallas
Sergei Zubov for Kevin Hatcher
Penguins gave Dallas a player worth 13 years, 549 points and +103 for a mullet that gave them 3 years, 140 points and +18.
Career wise, Zubie and KHatch have similar stats, but basically the Pens gave the Stars a defenseman coming into his prime, for a defenseman in the twilight of his career.
by Waywardstars on Feb 8, 2010 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh – Naslund to Vancouver for Stojanov.
Stojanov was chosen #7 in 1991 amassed 1pt and 136 PIM’s in 62 games with the Canucks prior to the trade. Went on to play 45 games for the Penguins 6pts and 86 PIM’s
Naslund was chosen #16 in 1991 amassing 67 pts in 151 games for Pittsburgh before the trade – including 52 pts in 66 games the year of the trade. Went on to be one of the best wingers in the NHL during his best years. Won the Lester B Pearson Trophy in 2002-03.
by Huskygriffin on Feb 8, 2010 10:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprized you forgot about the Rask for Raycroft trade, where the Leafs traded the TOP goaltending prospect in the world for a guy who had no glove hand. Raycroft ended up getting bought out by the Leafs after losing his starting job to Vesa Toskala, which is pretty much adding insult to injury
Also, the Leafs trading their 1st, 2nd and 4th rounders for The Human Sieve and Mark Bell (who was suspended for drunk driving and is only remembered for that MASSIVE hit on Daniel Alfredssson). Toskala has proven to be the worst goaltender in recent history, as he is known for horrible blunders and being the only goaltender to get scored on top corner by a rolling puck.
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by Space Weed on Feb 14, 2010 7:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's a good one! Thank you.
Just in time for the 2000-2010 poll, too. Did you vote in the first three? I should have #4 up this week, during the void, er, Olympics.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Feb 14, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Will do. I don’t visit this site often (i found the link to this on FTR), but i’ll keep an eye out for the last poll
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by Space Weed on Feb 14, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no question, it’s the patrick roy trade. biggest long and short term impact, on-ice and off-ice, and continues to decimate the greatest franchise in the history of the sport.
by vadim sharifijanov on Feb 14, 2010 9:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Toronto trading Russ Courtnall to Montreal for John Kordic certainly ranks up there in the all-time worsts.
by marky narc on Feb 15, 2010 5:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Detroit Red Wings trade Adam Oates and Paul MacLean for Tony McKegney and Bernie Federko
Paul MacLean by himself outscored McKegney and Federko, neither of whom lasted into a second season in Detroit. Plus St. Louis got Adam Oates too. Ouch.
by Bosc Ulrich on Feb 15, 2010 8:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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