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Byfuglien, Sopel, Eager to Atlanta -- Hawks Not Done Shedding

What does this trade mean?

It means the Hawks now have $2.3MM in cap space for next season, with 13 players signed. If this number seems too low, visit my last post for an explanation (hint: bonus cushion penalty). It means the Hawks now have the cap space to qualify (and re-sign, if they are so inclined) Andrew Ladd, Antti Niemi, Niklas Hjalmarsson and Jack Skille. I assume they will do this. I don't know enough about Skille, so I will leave him out of my calculations (assuming he will be more expensive than the generic minimum wager employees I will use to fill out the roster after I play Bowman and make the rest of the necessary changes). Let's say Bowman re-signs Ladd, Niemi and Hjalmarsson at $2.75MM, $3MM and 2.25MM, respectively.

That puts them $5.7MM over the cap, with 16 players signed.

I know, I know. Bury Huet in the AHL. Promote Crawford. Okay. Recalculating... All right. Now it's only $890K over the cap, with 16 players signed. Let's fill out the roster with minimum wagers, call it $700K per player. Four time $700K is $2.8MM, so add that in, and you get...

$3.7MM over the limit, but with a full roster. So, there are still one or two moves left to make. Off the top of my head, they can (pick one):

  • Buy out Campbell. That will do it.
  • Trade one of Sharp, Ladd, Bolland or Versteeg AND one of Brouwer or Kopecky...for picks.
  • Trade Hossa, getting no more than roughly $1.5MM in salary back.

As I've said before, I would buy out Campbell. That's the cleanest. Except for the $2MM+ cap hit until 2022.

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Is this calculation with or without Morin on their roster?

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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 23, 2010 3:37 PM PDT reply actions  

without

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 23, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got it.

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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 23, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will miss Buffy the Luongo-Slayer.

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by Niesy on Jun 23, 2010 4:01 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Come to think of it, Luongo does look like a Vampire…

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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 23, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

it seems like it could be a fair trade though, but it seems like Atlanta overpaid

by hughestom1 on Jun 23, 2010 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed. It’s the draft picks that put it over the top.

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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 23, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here in Chicago, the initial reaction is (a) the bandwagoners are wondering what in the heck is going on; (b) hockey people see this as necessary and feel like they got a good prospect for Buff, who, while good in the playoffs, is a bit inconsistent; Sopel-who cares? Reasoner is the new John Madden; happy Buff went to the East.

I see the Atlanta ownership actively trying to expand their fan base in the black community: that’s three black players they’ve added in two years: Kane, Oduya (who they got when the Kings wouldn’t trade Simmonds), and now Buff. I don’t blame them a bit

by soccersucks on Jun 23, 2010 6:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Bowmans won't do Huet like that

Bowmans have too much respect for the NHL and are aware of the chilling effect on future free agent signings if they demote a high-contract veteran like Huet to the minors full-time (he couldn’t skate a minute for the Blackhawks for the remainder of his contract of the Hawks would take the salary cap hit).

They’ll have to use Sharp as the sweetener in a deal to move either

Sharp + Campbell or

Sharp + Huet (unlikely anyone will bite on that, tho possibly) or

Sharp + Hossa.

Bowmans may have pulled a fast one on the Thrashers, but now they have no more cards to play. Sharp goes with one of those 3.

by mr_chef_d on Jun 23, 2010 11:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I hear what you’re saying, but I think finances will win out in this decision. Huet won’t be on the team next year, but not at the expense of someone like Sharp, and in my own opinion not even for someone like Versteeg. Any taker of Huet would lose the deal. A team just can’t take on 5.6 million in salary for two full years in order to get a second-line player that will get them 25 or 30 goals. It would be insane.

This doesn’t even address the fact that Huet, it could be argued, can’t even be shopped as a bona fide number 1 anymore.

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by ChicoMaki on Jun 24, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

they just don't have a choice

no one is taking huet in trade, and so they have to either buy him out or demote him. it would be nice of them to buy him out. bu demotion gets them more cap relief.

and you’re right. huet is not a #1 at this time. if he were, he would be tradeable. chicago would have to take salary back, but they could move him. i think they’re going to bury him.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 24, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

there was a recent article where Sharp was deemed one of our "untouchables"

besides Toews, Kane, Keith, and Hossa. The other “untouchables” were Bolland and Seabrook.

Sharp is a bargain for what he brings to the table – and I believe our management thinks the same thing. Versteeg and Ladd, however, are still trade-bait.

by ahnfire on Jun 25, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently some people over at Second City are ragey about this, but they don’t have the courtesy to come talk to you directly (go figure). I hope they at least outline their own proposal somewhere.

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by Niesy on Jun 24, 2010 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

It's just math.

I should go check them out. Wade into the mess. It’s not that I’m not on their side (I mean, I’m not on their side, but that has nothing to do with it).

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 25, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I paid them a visit.

There was another “incident” which I believe is feeding into this somehow. There is another Hawks blog (Committed Indian?) that is related somehow to the SBN blog. They ran a post saying Mirtle was an idiot re the Hawks cap situation. I commented that they were all wrong and Mirtle was right and gave them the figures. They deleted my comment(s). Mirtle commented and told them to retract the whole thing. They deleted the entire post.

I don’t blame them for being freaked out though.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jun 25, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just to clarify: the Committed Indian blog is NOT associated with Second City Hockey

the blog poster (Tab something-or-other) just happens to use the same name as the publication that SCH’s editor, SamFels, writes.

So really, that has nothing to do with…well, anything on SCH. :)

by ahnfire on Jun 25, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

truthfully, Fels should have copyrighted the CI name

for this exact reason. People might read the Committed Indian blog and associated it with the Committed Indian gameday magazine/paper (which IS associated with SCH)…..and i personally think the CI blog dude is a bit of a tool. just IMO.

SCH isn’t particularly in the habit of deleting posts or comments, nor stunting discussion or debate (short of blatant trolling) — just looked at the OBSCENELY crowded fanpost section. The thing that turns people from other blogs from coming on there is that we tend to be crazy sarcastic, and very biting with our wit. And if you post there, you should expect to get a whole lot of responses and many disagreeing opinions. It’s all very sink-or-swim.

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by puppetmasterp on Jun 25, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you're misinterpreting the writing

no one is “ragey” about the situation; you should understand our community tends toward a speech pattern that is much more abrasive than the rest of SBN – however, most of it is purely sarcasm, which does not tend to come across on the internet.

There have been plenty of discussions about what to do with the cap; however they’re in past threads or fanposts. If you’re willing to wade through all our comments (we go off-topic a lot) and search our fanpost section (we had a deluge of new posters writing “woo hoo” style posts recently), you can find other proposals regarding our cap situation.

by ahnfire on Jun 25, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry I didn’t see this sooner…

First, I said some, not all. Sorry if you thought I was talking about your whole group. I was talking about the “Hjammer of the Gods” guy mainly. I understand sarcasm, and lord knows I understand trash talk (I hang out at BoC) but the contempt was pretty thick. Lots of name-calling for a guy who won’t at least outline his argument.

If that’s not ragey, well, okay.

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by Niesy on Jun 26, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

i love how things get misread online

the “rage” got started b/c a couple posters were wondering how to wade into the cap number crunching and i’d suggested they could start by reading over here b/c you all had gotten a head start on it (i believe you were number crunching here while we were still reveling in the SCF and avoiding thoughts about Capocalypse). Discussion ensued. it happens.

SCH has a LOT of posters, rivaled only by Pension Plan Puppets i think, so we generally don’t all have the same opinion. Overall though, i think we’re all pretty resigned to whatever’s going to happen. Some are more optimistic, i tend to brace for the worst. but at the end of the day, i think our conclusions are not based just on numbers, but also the priorities/weaknesses we know about our team and what priorities should be, as well as what management themselves have said about player priorities (i.e. the “untouchables”)

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by puppetmasterp on Jun 25, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

See my reply above. I never said you all held the same opinion — but there was a lot of slagging on this post that was linked to there.

I would like to see more discussion, actually. I think it would be very interesting, as long as it’s civil.

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by Niesy on Jun 26, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

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