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by Quisp on Jun 9, 2010 11:17 PM PDT
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A few quick observations on tonight's game and the end of the 2009-2010 season.
- Did anyone else hear Roenick say, "In hockey we say, let's play to win, not play not to win"?
- This was immediately followed by Mike Milbury referring to the Black Hawks as "the blacks."
- I'm sorry it didn't go seven games.
- Glad that the Kings pick (from Philly in the Denis Gauthier trade) stays at #59. It would have dropped to #60 had they won the cup. Also glad that Philly's playoff run caused the pick they traded to Anaheim, which two months ago was set to be #13 overall, to drop all the way to #29.
- Too bad Carter couldn't get that shot up at the end of regulation.
- I don't like that ubiquitous paddle-down one leg vertical one leg horizontal posture, and Leighton illustrated exactly why.
- I felt bad for Brian Boucher, when they showed him on the bench and you could see his lips form the words, "is it a goal? is it a goal?" At that moment, he wasn't an adult professional athlete. He was about six years old. I felt horrible for him.
- I thought Kane and Quenneville seemed genuinely happy, or maybe it's just that they were able to express it. The rest of the Hawks just seemed to be trying to perform the best battle-cry hoist-the-cup moment for some future commercial.
- Sopel seemed happy, too. But I don't understand when he turned into a caveman. He wasn't a caveman when he was a King, was he? He would look perfect with a giant turkey leg in one hand.
- Congratulations Black Hawks. Anaheim, Carolina and Tampa welcome you to the club of one-and-done cup-winners. Set the counter at $13MM, because that's how much cap space you need to clear. Let the dismantling begin. Yeah, yeah, I know. "They'll figure out a way." (Wanna bet?)
- It's a different era, I know, but whenever I see a cup celebration I always think of this clip. No hollow war-cries, just one happy kid. At about 4:20.
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Agreed on Sopel. He looked liked someone spliced his DNA with Animal from the Muppets. I’m glad the Ducks of the West lost (I hate teams that rely on goalie crashing (Hartnell) and getting away with stuff after the whistle)
I’m imagining the Blackhawks locker room celebrating and then Animal runs across the background throwing champagne everywhere. It’s awesome.
I was a little disappointed Kane didn’t win the Conn Smythe. Felt like he deserved it. Or Pronger, but screw Pronger.
To add to their cap woes: OH SNAP.
I wish I’d seen the Roenick meltdown. I was CBC all the way.
In Dinglebarn We Trust
Wow, talk about screwed. Cough*lombarditradeforsharp*cough
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 10, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Time for me to admit something:
I don’t know what are the consequences of exceeding the salary cap.
In other words, what exactly will happen to the Hawks if they don’t have a successful fire sale this summer?
It’s something akin to being fined a certain amount of money per day at NHL’s given deadline until the team complies. Anybody want to root through the CBA?
This is the loose parameters of what will happen, via that totally flawless source wikipedia:
Teams found to have violated the cap face fines of up to $5 million, cancellation of contracts, loss of draft picks, loss of points and/or forfeiture of game(s) determined to have been affected by the violation of the cap.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 10, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah! Well, then.
The fines seem like pocket change, but the other stuff is pretty severe. Not at all like a luxury tax.
So, then, I say unto the Blackhawks: Good luck with that Christobal Huet thing. Seriously. You’re gonna need it.
I’m actually really excited to see how it all pans out. Chi-town has some serious work to do. Draft day could be really interesting. And the Angelenos get to see it in person!
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 10, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting indeed
Quisp may need a new tag when the dust settles: not just Schadenfreude, but 3x Schadenfreude.
exceeding the cap
It’s simply not allowed. There is no specified penalty. it would be reasonable to assume that any and all transactions that put the team over the cap would be invalidated. If a team refuses to get down below the ceiling — for example, at the end of summer when the 10 percent buffer is lifted — the league could do literally anything it wants to punish the franchise. There is no langvuage in the cba that defines what would happen but no one wants to find out. Reasonably, the league could simply decide to roll back the team’s most recent transactions until theyre in compliance.
However, if a team is over the cap at seasons end as a result of bonuses paid, the overage is subtracted from the next years ceiling. I gather this has just happened w chicago, which is hilarious. Im not home but in a coue of hours ill dig into it
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jun 10, 2010 3:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Obligated to the Last Player Signed?
Is it reasonable to believe a team can sign a quality player, fail to clear needed space for him and then be forced to pay him not to play?
The system seems a little odd, like Greece and the EU
You can't sign a player and THEN not clear the space
the signing means you have to have cleared the space, or the league won’t approve the contract
Wait till this year.
So it's kind of like the luxury tax in the NBA?
So that — unless the fine was pretty draconian — a determined owner with unusually deep pockets could theoretically just suck it up in order to keep the team together? Kind of like what Jerry Buss is doing with the Lakers.
Oh well. I thought it might be something that you really had to avoid at all costs, like Bettman comes to the team office and sacrifices the GM to the spirit of Toe Blake (or something), like an Aztec priest.
cant do it
Cant exceed no exceptions no penalty because no action that causes u to exceed the cap is allowed.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jun 10, 2010 3:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So if I were to try to sign a free-agent whose salary would exceed the Cap, the transaction would not be allowed? What has to happen in case like now, when the Hawks are already above next year’s Cap?
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 10, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Correct, you can't go over the cap
you can’t sign someone that puts you over the cap
you can’t make a trade that puts you over the cap
you can’t bring someone up from the minors that puts you over the cap
you can’t activate someone from IR that puts you over the cap
it’s a hard cap. there are no exceptions.
(you can exceed the cap in the summer by 10%; you can exceed the cap during the season by the amount of your bonus cushion, provided those bonuses don’t get paid out.)
Wait till this year.
Off Topic:
Is there any meeting up happening at the draft for Jewels of the Crown readers?
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 10, 2010 3:18 PM PDT reply actions
Would there be interest? There will be an SB Nation gathering since quite a few of us were credentialed.
Sounds Great Ice-Pectations is interested
And I would be, too. Unfortunately, I’ll be out of town on Draft day and unable to attend at all. :-(
I’m definitely interested.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 10, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
What, No Mention of the Roenick Tears, Always a Cave Man, Future King(?)
What, no mention of JR sobbing over the Cup that was never his? He felt so sorry for himself that he was shaking. At least he was more sincere then a lot of the canned celebrations that now take place on ice.
And Milbury making his best play since leaving the Bruins to come to JR’s rescue? There, there JR, “You had what, 21 years? I got just one shot in 13 years and it was gone”
Only JR tears I want want to see is when the Kings media department lets him go…unfortunately they may be tears of laughter at the expense of Kings fans, again.
Sopel looked like a grease ball since his Vancouver days and didn’t look much better as a King. Was that him driving the Zamboni in those commercials? He looked like he ran his hand through his hair after tearing apart that drumstick!
Bam, Bam, bam bam bam!
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