Penalty for Circumvention is Your Sanity
Circumvention of the Kovalchuk Black Out, I mean.
When I said no posts till he signs, I guess I meant 50 posts. Also, I guess i should have been more specific about the word "signs." Everything is pretty quiet now, except for the clicking of the keyboards in the proverbial basements of the Kovalchukosphere. The league, the NHLPA and the GM have all essentially declared radio silence. The NHLPA has until Monday to decide whether or not to dispute the rejection of the contract. At which point, to repeat what we already know, this is what will happen.
- If they notify the league of their intention to dispute and notify the arbitrator as described in (I believe) 11.6g, then there will be an arbitration hearing.
- 11.6g essentially says that, during the summer, the NHLPA has five days from when the rejection notification was given to them by the league, and if they decide to dispute, they have 24 hours (from when they notify the league of their intention) to notify the arbitrator. If they do this, there's an arbitration. If they screw up the deadline, say by not notifying the arbitrator within 24 hours of notifying the league, then they have not timely disputed and Kovalchuk's contract is void. So, you know, don't let Dale Tallon do the faxing.
- The arbitrator will make a decision within 48 hours of the time he is notified by the NHLPA.
- So that means, NHLPA decision by Monday at the latest, contact arbitrator by Tuesday at the latest and a decision by Thursday at the latest.
- His/her decision can be, (1) yes the contract is valid, or (2) no, it is not.
- If it's valid, the contract is at that moment approved and registered. If it's not, Kovalchuk is a UFA.
- If Kovalchuk is a UFA, everyone begins the process of freaking out over whether or not he's going to sign in New Jersey. We return to 7/1 and all of the misinformation is recycled. "I'm hearing that", "sources say", "finalizing", "closer", etc..
- Simultaneously, the extremely slow wheels of justice awaken the Article 26 subsection on investigations and (apparently, though insanely) a second arbitration process commences, which is, I guess, more or less equivalent to the "sentencing phase" of a court trial, because Article 26 must be traversed like a haunted forest in order to get to the penalties. So, saddle up. This is the time-line:
- The league and/or the NHLPA must first decide that they want to launch an investigation into whether the circumvention that has already been alleged by the league and upheld by the arbiter, did in fact occur. Or, presumably, that other circumventions they found along the way also occurred.
- The investigations can be initiated at any time, without limitation. They can decide not to investigate and then years later decide to change their minds. No time limit.
- Once they commence their investigation into what they've already concluded, they have virtually unlimited access to everything they want and can take as long as they want to conduct their investigation, without limit, till the end of time or even 2012 if they so choose.
- At some point, the league and/or the NHLPA decide they are done investigating and they call each other to communicate this.
- Despite the fact that the investigation may have taken 1000 years to complete, once they have called each other, the parties have three days to get together and discuss. They "shall" do this. If they do not manage to do it within the three day limit, the CBA does not say what the ramifications are, but I can't help but notice that this act in and of itself is a circumvention of the CBA.
- There are no provisions to account for what happens if humans no longer are the dominant species on Earth or in the NHL.
- The league and the NHLPA (or their descendants) meet to discuss, to "to try to resolve the matter." The first step, presumably, is to detect what "the matter" is, since the contract is dead and the season has started and/or the sun has gone super-nova and the first arbitrator's decision is binding.
- Although the league and the NHLPA are required to sit down and talk things out, they can't really do any "plea bargaining" because the commissioner can't negotiate any kind of penalty until after the (second) arbitrator has ruled.
- The second arbitrator gets to rule on whether a circumvention has occurred and if so specifically of which provisions of the CBA. I type this under duress, because it makes no sense. Because the first arbitrator has already ruled that there is a circumvention and accordingly has voided the contract. The first arbitrator's decision is binding, so the second arbitrator can't change it. I suppose the point is that the second arbitrator is merely refining the details of the circumvention, but it would have been nice for the CBA to spell this out.
- So the arbitrator rules on which provisions of the CBA were circumvented (or else he/she rules there was no circumvention, at which point the Earth's crust folds in on itself).
- After such ruling, Bettman gets to decide which penalties and remedies he wants to apply.
- There is some debate about whether there are any mandatory penalties. My interpretation is that, if an Article 50 circumvention has occurred, a fine and cap penalty of between $1MM and $5MM must be leveled. However, most people believe that, because the CBA says the commissioner "may" assess any and all of a menu of punishments, that the cash/cap penalty is optional (at Bettman's discretion) but if he chooses to level a fine/penalty, it can't be more less than $1MM or more than $5MM. Because, obviously, a fine of $500K or $2 is lame in some unknowable way that a fine of $0 is not.
- He also at that point has the option of suspending Grossman, Lamoriello, or any other bad actors, or, presumably, their heirs or estates.
- At which point, the whole matter is closed.
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The only problem with the timeline is that there is NO arbitrator selected yet. If the NHLPA fights the decision, how can they notify an arbitrator that doesn’t exist within 24 hours.
hey, man, i didn't write the cba, but it says that the NHLPA has to (1) notify the league and (2) notify the arbitrator within 24 hours of notifying the league
or they have not TIMELY disputed and the contract is void as a result.
it’s stupid. and they’ll probably work around it. but that’s what the CBA says.
if we didn’t know better, we would assume that in order for them to have this 24 provision they would have to have an arbitrator at hand.
Wait till this year.
Well, if there is an Earth shattering task at hand, and you only have 24 hours with which to complete it, I think I know just the man to call…Jack Bauer!!!

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 22, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
So your saying that the CBA is open to interpretation? It’s not all black and white with no gray areas?
If you think about it, this is diabolical for the league. The NHLPA will let the league know that they are filing a grievance and the NHL will say that they need to notify the arbitrator within 24 hours. The NHLPA will ask the league who the arbitrator is and the NHL will say that they will tell them in 48 hours.
Game. Set. Match. :D
by Sydor25 on Jul 22, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t read the middle stuff. I just scrolled down and read “At which point, the whole matter is closed.” Sigh.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jul 22, 2010 5:03 PM PDT reply actions
That's a Lot of Bullet Points
And a very helpful lot of Bullet Points at that.
If Kovalchuk is a UFA, everyone begins the process of freaking out over whether or not he’s going to sign in New Jersey. We return to 7/1 and all of the misinformation is recycled. “I’m hearing that”, “sources say”, “finalizing”, “closer”, etc..
The first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.
Question
If there is no "arbitrator ", then who decides the RFA arbitration cases??? Can’t they pick one of those dudes/dudettes?
Batman and Snoop-Dogg
They come in and roll dice. I think the rules also allow for dominos.
by 88fingerslukee on Jul 22, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The RFA cases are salary arbitrators. This requires a system arbitrator (and no, I don’t know the difference between the two). They’ll need to hire an arbitrator who’s agreeable to both sides, which hasn’t happened since 2005, so this could drag out for a fair bit longer.
Honor is no substitute for victory.
I just have one question:
Do arbitrators have agents? Because, this case sounds like a real plum, and I would think that any self-respecting unemployed arbitrator would be glad to give ten percent of his pay to somebody that could increase his chance of getting the job.
Actually, I have more than one question; If arbitrators have agents, do they need headshots for audition screening purposes, and if so do the photographers that do head shots have agents? And finally, what if the arbitrator feels he was not paid enough? Huh? Then what? Riddle me that!
End Corporate Personhood.
Arbitrator Arbitration
Sounds complicated. I’ll let Quisp post 50000 words on it…
by 88fingerslukee on Jul 22, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not a contract dispute, it's a mobius strip. Or else, the contract itself was written on one.
End Corporate Personhood.
First of all, I’m pretty sure we’re about 2 days from Quisp starting to turn into a gibbering keyboard pounding monkey whenever anyone talks about kovalchuk or the monstrosity that is the CBA.
Second of all, the last CBA circumvention cost the Leafs a fourth round pick. (for signing an illegal entry level contract.) So i imagine that is the precedent for severity of penalty when signing an contract that circumvents the CBA.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I would think it was more of a mistake and an accident. I guess technically it would be called a circumvention of the CBA, but it was more of an unintentional mistake I believe. The deal with Kovy is an intentional circumvention where the Devils knew what they were doing to get around the cap and went through with it anyways so the penalties would be worse I think.
Actually I hadn’t known about the Leafs/Frogen rejection until I just looked up some stuff on it, but after reading it I think its rather likely the Devils face additional punishment in the form of fines/cap hit penalty/loss of draft picks and possibly even suspensions for Lou, Grossman, etc.
The contract had the effect of attracting a top prospect to the leafs, so a penalty had to be assessed.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
The article i linked gives a timetable of the whole Kovalchuk process, so i suggest reading it (though maybe not the comments)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
by Ubiquitous on Jul 23, 2010 11:21 AM EDT
What’s wrong with our comments?
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 23, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
They were whining at your comments, so i told them to ignore them then if they didn’t like them.
I still love you all.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Thanks, Ubiquitos. I was baiting you by copying that here, but it was good natured. Your answer is great – we love Sabres fans here, too :)
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 23, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
they think Kings fans are being bitter and biased … ha!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
The main issue is that it is harder to convince them with logic if they are angry.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I’m surprised you guys keep trying. It’s just going around in circles. They want proof and won’t even try to see what anyone else is saying. You can’t fault them really for being defensive – could any of us really say we wouldnt’ react the same if this happened to our team?
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
Its not as hard as you might think as i have concluded:
No one will arbitrate because the probability of doomsday results are too high.
Kovalchuks contract will get nullified.
Kovalchuk will sign for slightly less term and money with the Devils.
The Kovalchuk fan hostage crisis will finally be over and I can go back to my everyday existance.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Yeah. I don’t fault them for thinking what they think or for feeling angry during this mess, but it’s kind of bizarre that they think only other fans are biased. Come now, we all have our biases, conscious and unconscious. Neuroscience backs me up on this.
But that still doesn’t mean human beings can’t outline the reasons behind our arguments, which Quisp does in great detail. Yet some of them still think his fannish preference undermines everything.
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