Kings Want Savard? At what price?
by Quisp on Jul 31, 2010 1:55 AM PDT
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The article also mentions that the Bruins need a scoring winger and a puck-moving defenseman. They need cap relief and they don't need another center, since they have about fifty of them. That would seem to rule out Jarret Stoll and Michal Hanzus, leaving Justin Williams, Dustin Brown and nobody else as options fitting the description "scoring winger." Unless we're talking prospects, which I guess we are, since the Bruins need cap relief. So, the list is in the neighborhood of Moller, Loktionov, Lewis, Parse, Kozun, Holloway. Moller would be the obvious front-runner there, and this alone makes me un-like this whole Savard idea. You would essentially be trading for an old, short but feisty concussed playmaker with a contract that runs 7 years until he's 40 for a young, short but feisty sniper on an ELC. The Kings would be getting an additional 60-some assists for a few years (nothing to sneeze at), then a cap albatross. They would be giving up the only sniper in their system, a leader, a probable future A or C. If Lombardi could get Boston to take one of those other prospects (Lewis, et al), does that make the deal better? I don't know. Might.Are the Kings interested in Marc Savard? - ProHockeyTalk - Hockey - NBC Sports
The Kings would love to add another scorer up front and Savard would make for a tantalizing pickup as he'd slot in nicely as a 1B option at center to join Anze Kopitar already slotted in as 1A. After adding Alexei Ponikarovsky to help soften the blow of losing out on Ilya Kovalchuk, the Kings could use just a bit more in their top six forwards. Right now, Jarret Stoll is set up to be the second line center and while he's a nice player, for a team that's on the precipice of doing great things, he isn't an ideal solution to be your second line centerman.[...] Could the Kings provide the Bruins with what they'd look for in return?
What about puck-moving defensemen? The ones who have a salary low enough to give the Bruins cap relief are: Jack Johnson, Alec Martinez, Johan Fransson, Thomas Hickey, Viatcheslav Voynov and Nicolas Deslauriers. I wouldn't be willing to deal any of those guys except Martinez. The Bruins would of course ask for Johnson. Johnson and Moller. Johnson and Simmonds. No, and no.
The Bruins have to think they deserve better than Lewis and Martinez (I would), so my guess is, unless Lombardi has any more of that Smyth-for-Priessing/Quincey magic, Savard isn't coming here. (Also, can we have Quincey back now, please?)
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Um no
Not with that horrible contract… Maybe Tim Connolly is available?
If the eyes are the windows to the soul, then these sunglasses are the curtains telling you to keep the fuck out!!!
Dont see the fit
Schenn will be ready to take over 2nd line duties in 2 years. Cant see taking on this contract. A 2 year bridge player would make sense. Not happening.
Give Allison a call while your at it. I also feel the key here is four fold
—Concussed
—Older with contract
—Don’t break up the core
—DL built us a developmental system, now lets take the time to trust it.
4 x yes!
As I’ve said about Mitchell, it’s all about risk. If the price is right, sure, you can roll the dice. But Savard is waaay too expensive at this point.
Won't Point Fingers
Do we really want a cannibal on our club?
Combined, Poni Boy and “Hannibal” Savard consume over half of the remaining cap space ($12.8M).
Savard would be a $5M hit. What do you think, is he worth it?
What would you do with that kind of cash (excluding cars and women/men)?
(Want this to be an all inclusive discussion)
Leave Stoll Alone!
Why does everyone dump on Stoll so much? Sure, he’s not a 1b type of center, but he brings a lot to the table. He was 47th in center scoring and 4th in hits, decent for a 2nd line center, plus he and Handzus are more of a 2a and 2b center. Hanzus was 40th in goals for centers and Stoll was 53rd. Stoll was +13 making him 16th in the NHL. Stoll won 56% of his faceoffs for 10th in the NHL. Stoll was 60th in ice time for centers and Handzus was 46th.
Kopitar is already #2 in the league for ice time behind Crosby (for centers). The Kings don’t need a 1b center with Murray’s system. IF the Kings make a major trade, it has to be for a scoring winger.
Agreed
I think people in general bag on Stoll because of the cap hit. He is overpriced, but very valuable in FOs and his 2 way play.
I dont see center as a need at all. We need a top 4 D man. With Greene out we also need a bridge player (Sutton).
Well . . .
I think the main problem people have with Stoll aside from price is the fact that he plays more like a winger. He doesn’t hold on/distribute/spend time down low like a typical scoring center.
by VoluminousTuna on Jul 31, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not a Kings fan but simply put the reason Stoll is often referred as trade bait is because he has qualities other teams like and desire. Basically he has good trade value even with the high price tag.
by KingHellfire on Jul 31, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see any stoll bagging on this post, not to say there isn't any (oh, I see, in the linked article, yes)
but i think the reason his name virtually always comes up in trade talk is that, if you eliminate the generally thought to be untouchable-for-now (Kopitar, Brown, Doughty, Johnson, Quick, Bernier, Scuderi, Greene), all that’s left is Williams, Stoll, Handzus and Smyth. Smyth’s contract is too big. Handzus is kind of an important piece, Williams is an injury risk, and that leaves Stoll.
It’s also pretty obvious that Stoll is not going to be on the Kings when his contract runs out, because of Schenn, or the expectation of Schenn. And he’s too expensive for a C2.
Wait till this year.
Am I crazy for wanting Savard? I’d totally do Savard for Hickey/Voynov and like Lewis, then trade Stoll/Zeus to someone like Toronto for a defenseman. Am I crazy?
I think I’m crazy.
Yep, crazy. I can’t imagine that the demand for Lewis is high at all (the last thing they need is another third/fourth line center), and I don’t think that HIckey/Voynov would make Boston forget that.
by VoluminousTuna on Jul 31, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
if they would take an offer at that level, savard would already be gone
but yeah, i think that’s pretty crazy.
i don’t think having an old small concussed biter as our second line center is going to help us.
Wait till this year.
Savard only helps if Kovalchuk is a King...
…and I’m not going there… :)
I'm not really a Stoll fan.
Handzus IMO is a better defensive type center. For a 2nd line center, I’d like to see more playmaking and scoring ability. Especially since teams are more likely to match their top checking center/line on Kopitar. Right now, I think the more pressing need is on defense. Would Boston trade Savard straight up for prospects/picks/cap relief or would they require a NHL player who can help them now?
This could get a little ugly for the champs
I get the feeling the Hawks are going to walk away and let Niemi go. Bowman was quoted saying if he is awarded close to 3MM, they would walk.
That is interesting. Then would Chicago go after Turco with Niemi ending up in Philly?
by VoluminousTuna on Jul 31, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, that's less than I thought
I thought 3-3.5, for sure.
This helps, but Junior Bowman still has his work cut out for him. If they drop Niemi and Turco signs for 1.5 to replace him, then they can fit themselves under the cap without trading anyone else as long as they use guys making minimum salary or close to it. Goalies would then be Turco and Toivonen.
I thought it could be anywhere from 2.5 to 4…3ish is about right for him, I think. But it is right in the range where he’s not quite too expensive to keep, yet not cheap enough to guarantee they won’t walk away.
I wonder if the rumor that they offered him 8 mil/3 years before arbitration is true. If it is, this award isn’t much different, just a shorter term.
In Dinglebarn We Trust
i brought this up on the other thread...
i heard a few days before the news spread that the kings were interested in him and i just didn’t think he was a good fit either…
i think he’s really got a lil’ bit of that cammalleri arrogance, but too much of that is off the ice…i don’t see this guy being a team player for some reason…i’ve watched him over the years and he has matured on the ice….but i wonder why he never is able to settle down anywhere…
he was traded twice early on for under-achieving…and now is on the way out of what was suppose to be a good bruins team…he has been injured below the belt and above the shoulders…he probably wants to be a true c1 still and even though it’s great for competitive purposes, perhaps not as realistic on the current kings team, which might be one of the reasons (other than money) that he’s being offered – a lack of and desire to adapt to another role…
savard needs finishers around him…he’s got exceptional vision and could create in pinch due to his size…and even though he has turned around his +/-, i wonder how much of that was due in part playing with the z monster…?
my feeling is that there’s too much uncertainty with brad richards and/or vinny for dl to offer anything substantial enough for their services…there’s a feeling that both have downsides ahead…and that’s why savard is being talked (?) about now…
no thank you, boston…
in 1984, i was hospitalized for approaching perfection....
I tend to agree. He’s hovered around the periphery of my hockey consciousness for some time now and left me feeling he is somewhere between a malcontent and a misfit. who punishes those around him who expect an honest effort by underachieving.
I feel the Bruins have been plagued by a number of attitude players like Savard and have been trying to sweep out the ghosts for quite some time But, they saddled themselves to the wrong horse by keeping Savard. I feel the cammalleri comment is quite apt..
What came first, a hit on the head or dining on finger strips?
Why would we have to give up a lot to acquire Savard? We’re doing Boston the favor of getting them under the salary cap with room to spare. If they want a scoring winger or defenseman they can use some of that freed up cap space & look elsewhere. The most we should give up are a prospect & maybe a pick.
Other than that the main reason not to go after Savard would be because we think Schenn is going to be the 2nd line center sooner rather than later. The money isn’t actually that bad. He’ll make $7 Million for the next 2 years but it goes down from there & his cap hit is only $4.007 Million.
And didn’t Carcillo stick his fingers in Savard’s mouth? To me, if you do that you’re asking for your fingers to get bitten.
if the bruins were willing to get a low return, i think the deal would already have happened
i agree otherwise
Wait till this year.
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