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Yeah, Well, I Don't Think There ARE Any Offers - How 'Bout That?


At least not any good ones, or offers that Kovalchuk and/or Grossman find acceptable.

Here's what I think has happened:

  • Kovalchuk had it in his mind that he was going to test free agency. He knows -- and his agent has probably reminded him -- that he has more goals than any other NHL player since 2003, or whatever the stat is. Also, that most of his peers are tied up in contracts, so the appearance of a player of his caliber on the UFA market is a rarity. (Never mind that Hossa was a UFA last year and his cap hit is $5MM+; Grossman probably left that part out.) He probably also has heard that Los Angeles is desperate to sign him.
  • It's also possible that he has a little competition going with Ovechkin, who has a cap hit of $9.5MM. This is total speculation, so feel free to ignore.
  • Kovalchuk has told Lamoriello that he is going to test free agency rather than sign with the Devils before 7/1.
  • July 1 arrives. Grossman gets however many calls he gets. He gets serious interest from the Kings and the Devils.
  • Because both Lombardi and Lamoriello are not idiots, they know not to compete against each other. They also know each other well. Neither wants to over-spend. Lombardi actually can't, because, despite the conventional wisdom in the press, most of his considerable cap space will disappear next year when it's time for new contracts for Doughty, Johnson, Simmonds, Bernier and Moller.
  • Both the Devils and the Kings make offers. The Kings make multiple offers. The Devils, maybe one, maybe more. But they are all within the same range (it was reported somewhere, and I can't find it now but I will, that "all the NHL offers were similar" -- and I believe it). I believe that range to be a cap hit between $6.5MM and $8.5MM, with longish to mega term, and dollar value in the area of $75MM. 
  • A couple of days go by. Lombardi makes several offers. None are accepted. Lombardi now knows what's going on. Kovalchuk/Grossman are shopping one GM's deal to the other, trying to get them into a bidding war. Lombardi hates bidding wars and has publicly said he will not engage in one. But just the appearance of two teams in play and no deal yet gives the impression that bidding is going on.
  • So Lombardi pulls out. We're done. That's it. This is Lombardi sending up a flare. It tells everyone, there is no bidding war because I am not bidding. There will be no more offers. It doesn't take the Kings out of the running, because Grossman can always come back to the Kings and accept their offer, if it still stands (if Lombardi has not moved on). However, no one in the press, and no fellow GM, will get the idea that Lombardi is making new offers, and without new offers, no bidding war. Take that.
  • Grossman says, f*** you, in effect, by reasserting that there are two teams and Kovalchuk is choosing between them. But he doesn't say who the two teams are. Because he can't. Because one of them is the Kings and he doesn't want to provoke Lombardi into being even more blunt. He wants Lombardi to think that there is someone else, besides the Devils. If only there were some wacky loose-cannon GM or owner with tons of cap space and a -- WAIT A MINUTE!
  • Enter Charles Wang. Magically, the New York Islanders $100MM offer goes viral. Despite the fact that neither Snow nor Wang confirm the $100MM figure, they both admit they have had "conversations." I believe Wang called them "preliminary." My guess is, the figure came from the fact that various reporters (Helene Elliot) had reported (via Lombardi) that Kovalchuk was looking for $100MM over 10-12 years and  Grossman used that to manipulate secret sources and/or leakers and/or reporters into thinking a not very interesting Islanders phone call was in fact a mega-offer a la Yashin. Of course, everyone thinks Wang is nuts, so this works like a charm.
  • Since Lamoriello has never withdrawn his offer, he can just stand pat. He says he's willing to make it work by dumping salary. This of course makes it sound like the Devils will pay somewhere in the neighborhood of what Kovalchuk wants. But the fact is, unless they're planning on paying him $4.5MM a year, they're going to have to dump salary at some point over the summer no matter what. The Devils are able to pay up to about $10MM cap hit, but they would have to dump $5.94MM in salary before the start of the season. That would of course be painful and Lamoriello wants to minimize pain.
  • Lamoriello also knows that Lombardi is not coming up in his price beyond a certain range (I put the limit at around $8MM, maybe it's lower). Versions of the Devils' and Kings' offers are leaked, probably by the Devils and the Kings, so now everyone knows what the market for Kovalchuk is. Lamoriello probably also knows that the Islanders offer was fabricated. A team may come out of the woodwork and make a Wangian offer, but both Lamoriello and Lombardi are playing poker. They know it's not possible to guarantee they will prevail; but they can maximize their chances of winning each hand.
  • Grossman repeatedly (and, with each passing day, pathetically) issues "Kovy is sleeping on it," "it's narrowed down to two teams," "we're finalizing the deal," "Kovy will decide by the end of the day" messages, all of which appear now (at least to me) to be smoke and mirrors. He wants to create the impression of multiple bidders and deals closing in the next several seconds. But Lamoriello and Lombardi both know there isn't anything to finalize really that you can't finalize in a couple of minutes on the phone, and in any case, you can't finalize a deal when there are multiple bidders; so neither GM is inspired to hop on the phone with an 11th hour $99MM bid.
  • The fact that now six days have passed with no deal tells me that I was right all along that there hasn't been a deal simply because there's no acceptable offer (acceptable in Kovy/Grossman land). They're not "working out the details." They're not "clearing cap space" (the Devils don't have to clear cap space now; they have all summer to do it if need be). There's nothing. Nothing acceptable to Kovalchuk/Grossman. Because otherwise, they would have accepted it.
  • So all they can do now is wait until a face-saving deal comes their way. Whether that's a KHL deal, a deal from left field, or a tweaked version of either the Devils' or Kings' offers, it's obviously impossible to know. But as time goes on, the smoke dissipates and eventually even the press will see Grossman with the big fan and the smoke machine and they'll call it what it is. Or, if Grossman is smart and/or lucky, he will wrap this up before people figure it out.

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i seriously suspect Grossman was up to something and his plan back fired. Mostly based on the he’ll make a decision today..
edit: not happening today

Quisp: I feel this has set you off, i’ve been following you on twitter and within the past week your tweets, and posts have become funny and less straight to the point. So you’re not a robot. Either way i like it all.

by Jove on Jul 6, 2010 8:53 PM PDT reply actions  

i may in fact be a robot; this could be my 2.0 humor upgrade.

It hasn’t really set me off. I just resent my time being hijacked. And I really don’t like people who present themselves in a certain light and don’t act accordingly, whether it’s Rob Blake, Ilya Kovalchuk, or whoever.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 6, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clearly

you are not a 2.0 upgrade, because that was soooo 2008.

by Jove on Jul 6, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am going to downplay all your years’ of good posts, including this one, that contain interesting opinions and lots of numerical compilations that I enjoy reading but would never create, and instead focus on the disappointment I had when I I saw that you misspelt “dissipates”. Seriously, disapates?

by soccersucks on Jul 6, 2010 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Fixed.

I won’t tell you that I once spelled drawers, droors. Of course I was about 12. I used to keep a list of the best ones. Atlasphere (second grade). I had trouble with pigeons in college. Mostly because it always looked like a unit of time, pig eons, to me. I had the same problem with going, which I kept staring at and thinking that’s not how you spell it it can’t be. G-O-I-N-G??? Rhymes with boing? And nowhere I could not stop seeing as now-here.

I am not naturally a good speller. I didn’t use to care about spelling at all, until I found out you could use words to make sentences.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 6, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I still sometimes look at extremely simply words like “and” and think it’s misspelled. “A-N-D? It just doesn’t look right! How the hell do you spell and? Ahhhhh!”

by wavesinair on Jul 6, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think Kovi is starting to regret turning down Atlanta’s offer?

"We love going to Canadian cities and beating Canadian teams." - Drew Doughty

by RealDrew on Jul 6, 2010 9:17 PM PDT reply actions  

You bet your ASS, he is. BIG TIME!

by The Ram on Jul 6, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tip o' the hat to ya, Quisp

That is what I was thinking all day today at work. The only thing bugging me right now is that if DL really means he’s out of the Kovalchuk sweepstakes, then why haven’t we heard him making any deals with the OTHER available free agents? Something tells me he’s ACTUALLY waiting for Grossman to call him and ask if the offer is still good. If that’s the case, that will make him(DL) look weak in my opinion.

by The Ram on Jul 6, 2010 9:26 PM PDT reply actions  

No, they'll just change the deal slightly so Grossman saves face.

Besides, if Lombardi lands Kovalchuk for under $8.5MM, he’s going to look like a genius. I don’t think that’s going to happen. But it’s as likely as any other outcome. That is to say, not very.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 6, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Which is why I say that regardless of the real truth (which we may never know and/or is nothing like your story above) you can feel confident that if there is ever a market for hockey novels, you definitely have a career in ice fiction.

by wavesinair on Jul 6, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Certainly everything I say may be totally wrong

but it’s a fact that there is no deal, and that means there’s no good offer, or he would have taken it. and since grossman says they’re finalizing, and that’s been shown to be b.s., it’s obvious that he’s lying, and that the lie is not serving him or his client. we know that there were offers from NJD and LAK and that they weren’t good enough. those are facts. whether or not there really was a NYI $100MM, that’s up for grabs. I would be willing to bet there wasn’t one. Because if there was, I think he would have taken it at this point just to save face. And he’d be the highest paid player in hockey and we would have heard all about how he always loved New York. And Wang would talk about him doing for the Isles what Gretzky did for the Kings. And blah blah. But that hasn’t happened. Which tells me, it was fictional.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 6, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my typical

clumsy way, I may have failed to impress that was meant as a compliment. i.e. truth or not, your outline of events was written/told in a very entertaining way. (hint: go for the teen-twilight market and write about hockey vampires! surefire success!)

by wavesinair on Jul 6, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can see it now! Episode one: A Russian vampire comes to suck the life out of a long-suffering, devoted fan base…

by JZarris on Jul 7, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

The plot, obviously, is

he can score a goal guaranteed without a doubt at will…for every fan he hunts down and kills. HOW MANY MUST DIE IN HIS QUEST FOR THE CUP??

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, nice plot twist! If it were set in Anaheim he may only score 31 goals.

by JZarris on Jul 7, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously man

I ain’t kidding. Write a frickin book.

by wavesinair on Jul 7, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that it’s hilarious that it’s been more than 24 hours and I haven’t been able to add another line to this script.

It’s like Grossman keeps coming out every once in a while to say “Technical difficulties…we will now have a short intermission.”

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Jul 6, 2010 9:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I think that's about right

The key to getting what you want out of a negotiation is being willing to walk away cold turkey if the terms are not right. Both LL and DL are smart enough to understand this, I’m sure.

With every passing day of technical difficulties, it looks more and more like Team Kovy has overplayed its hand. They tried to play a wise old GM and a wise younger GM against each other. But if both say, “Screw this, I’m going home,” then Team Kovy is suddenly the weakest party by far, because they can’t walk away. LL and DL can always take comfort in the fact that they will still have good teams next year without Kovy. But where does Kovy go if all interested NHL parties walk away? The KHL? If that was a serious option, I think we would have heard about it by now; someone would have leaked it. Can he crawl back to Atlanta on his hands and knees? Wouldn’t that be rich. Or he can just embargo his services as a hockey player… and let the most productive years of his life fritter away… like that makes any sense at all….

Yeah, after two days of waking up to no news about a deal for Kovalchuk, I tend to agree that what we’re seeing is smoke and mirrors.

by DougX on Jul 6, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

the other thing is

New Jersey had 103 points last year. The Kings had 101. No matter how good Kovalchuk is (and he’s not THAT good), the Devils or Kings aren’t going to suddenly be 120+ point teams. Either one (actually both) will likely end up more or less where they ended up this past season: in that 98-105 point range. Obviously, we should be so lucky; but I think that ought to be the expectation.

And I don’t know how many of Kovalchuk’s goals (in the hypothetical King future) would be taken from the Kopitar (etc.) column. The guy plays all two minutes of every power play. And as I said last year re Heatley, the difference between Frolov and Heatley ought to be somewhere around 10 goals, and Frolov is better defensively. Same thing applies to Fro vs. Ko(vy).

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 6, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

New Jersey had 103 points last year. The Kings had 101. No matter how good Kovalchuk is (and he’s not THAT good), the Devils or Kings aren’t going to suddenly be 120+ point teams.

Ooo, blasphemy! I keep hearing over and over that we couldn’t possibly be compared to New Jersey. They’re from the East Coast, so it must be true. ;)

I really miss Fro.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's extra funny is

the Kings sucked from the Olympic break on, and they STILL managed 101 points.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lou never said “I’m going home,” like Dean did, but I bet he was mad if what was leaked about the Devils offer is anywhere close to the truth. I’m sure he went, “Whatever, I’m not raising this again,” and Ilya’s camp is still hoping for more. Maybe their plan B is to try to spook him with KHL offers. Again, I don’t think that will work with Lou.

I think they did overplay their hand, but he’s not really in a desperate spot. He just needs to get over himself. Or he can try the KHL for a little bit and then test the NHL market again.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kovalchuk’s Russia-based agent Yuriy Nikolaev had told Sport Express earlier this week that it was more likely that his client would remain in the NHL, but also confirmed that he was talking to SKA St. Petersburg. Sport Express reported Sunday that Kovalchuk had a four-year, $36 million offer from SKA St. Petersburg and that the 27-year-old sniper was looking for $40 million total for the four years.

I love that even the KHL can’t meet his contract demands in this version of the story. Moon money! NEED MOAR.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

totally

they’re not in a desperate spot, except relative to their goal of world domination.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN."

I just noticed that Grossman’s last tweet was 30 hours ago, and it’s the “choices have been narrowed down, details to be finalized” tweet.

I would have liked to have seen him follow that up with “this twitter thing sucks balls! @ilya”

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 6, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

For those of you who hate yourselves enough….here’s a new rumor from Matthew Barry.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matthew-Barry/Kings-Back-In-Kovalchuk-Sweeps/125/29235

Kings back in it? Were they ever really out of it? Who knows.

If Kovi can’t find a team that’s willing to pay him, maybe he can find a gig on a daytime soap opera.

"We love going to Canadian cities and beating Canadian teams." - Drew Doughty

by RealDrew on Jul 6, 2010 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Berry is clearly off his rocker with that last post. I watched “Edge of Darkness” last week, and it was a decent movie. Mel Gibson has undoubtedly turned the corner from his last 3 years of squirrel-turd impersonations.

The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 6, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

But hey, he’s presently up to his eyeballs in baby mama, Oksana drama! As far as I’m concerned, “surgar tits” takes at least 10 years to erase!

by wavesinair on Jul 6, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe it.

It makes sense Grossman is now doing the calling. And I don’t doubt this whole cycle of events could repeat itself again. I’m sure there are many cards still to be played. It will be interesting though how long DL goes without making a single move. Hmmm.

p.s. the past few days might have been nutty, but nothing’s nuttier than Mel Gibson’s past 3 years.

by wavesinair on Jul 6, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who knows? — true dat

But this one actually makes some sense to me — even the part about having second thoughts about living in Newark as opposed to LA (maybe especially that part). If the Kings offer is as reported, it’s pretty darned respectable.

by DougX on Jul 6, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It might be the most respectable offer they got

Who knows? There hasn’t been any factual reports of dollar amount or term, so we have no idea of who offered what, for how long, and if they even offered. There’s speculation. For all we know, the Kings may have had the best offer, financially speaking, but still not good enough for Kovalchuk. That’s the big question. Quisp does an excellent job of breaking down a certainly more than reasonable course of events, in fact probably even highly likely, but it’s so impossible to tell until Grossman and Kovalchuk call off this charade that isn’t fooling anyone and figure out what they want to do.

by hughestom1 on Jul 7, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even if it weren’t from HockeyBuzz, the part about living in Newark would tip me off that it’s manufactured. None of the players live in Newark… they just play there.

Kovalchuk got an apartment in Hoboken after coming to NJ last year, and there are many other local options for a multi-millionaire.

To "resign" is to voluntarily leave a position; retire. To "re-sign" is to sign again. When talking about free agents, please use the correct one.

by elesias on Jul 7, 2010 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus

Props to DL and Lou for playing their cards close to their chest until this is straightened out and not falling for BS.

by hughestom1 on Jul 7, 2010 12:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Hold on, wait a second,

So all along Kevin Spacey was…but if he was…but then why was he looking for..wait..oh crap! And the smokey monster from Lost was…oh man. Suddenly it’s all clear.

by JB_LA on Jul 7, 2010 12:35 AM PDT reply actions  

haha

i didn’t know the dharma initiative, NASA and the Apollo moon landing, 9/11, and signing Kovalchuk could all be related, yet here we are…

by hughestom1 on Jul 7, 2010 12:49 AM PDT reply actions  

AND

that whole SKATEGATE thing with Vancouver.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

nice post

hey quisp,

i called you out the other day on your post about the kings not being able to afford kovalchuk, because the post was stupid, and untrue.

but this is a good post. interesting theories that could very well be true. keep up the good work (which in and of itself excludes posts about the kings not being able to sign kovy, you not wanting him, etc. i know you want him. every sane king fan wants him. the kings can afford him. he would be great to have. not only would he make them a better team, but he’d make them much more entertaining as well. and we as fans watch the sport for entertainment, so you can’t overlook that aspect. the dude is a magician. few things in hockey are more beautiful than watching kovalchuk rush the puck up the ice.

by boyledshark22 on Jul 7, 2010 1:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't pat yourself on the back, dude

Did you not get the part where Quisp refuted your ridiculous comment point by point? You not only showed that you misread and misinterpreted his post, but you apparently can’t do math either.

Man, you made yourself look like a punk.

by DougX on Jul 7, 2010 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

???

When did he say they “can’t afford him”? He just said the can’t afford him at his reported demands AND keep the core intact…the difference should be clear.

by JZarris on Jul 7, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

fair point, and

i don’t care if he heartlessly score 40-50 goals. what i care about is the additional 10-20 goals we give up because he’s not backchecking. it used to be said that kovalchuk wanted to play for a contender, now its seems as though he wants to play for who gives him the most money.

scoring goals is awesome and entertaining, but losing games because players are playing according to their own agenda isn’t. it remains entirely to be seen how much of a difference it will be between frolov and kovalchuk, if it even goes that route, because at least fro could play defense. you could make the argument that kovalchuk’s version of defense is strong offense and keeping it in the opponents zone, but at this point, i’d say that’s pretty impossible to make a fair comparison.

personally, i want kovalchuk, but only at the right price. i wouldn’t ever speak for for other people on here, but i would generally say people feel similar. if it does turn out that kovalchuk turns out to be a greedy individual with more selfish motives than we’re witnessing now, i anticipate a feeling of buyer’s remorse next summer when that means we are stuck with a guy that isn’t in it for the benefit of the team. many of our prospects may not be as flashy as kovalchuk, but they are highly valued with a lot of potential, and it would suck to lose them.

by hughestom1 on Jul 7, 2010 1:45 AM PDT reply actions  

A word from Islesland...

Hey I really thought this was a great article. As crazy as Wang could be I think Kovy could be another part of the Isles rebuild. We have a few Russian prospects, including the infamous Kirill Kabanov and Kovy’s leadership and guidance would help with their success.

As for Grossman/Kovy …they are trying to milk out some deal that won’t come to fruition in our time with cap hits/space being tight these days for the majority of teams. Kovy is contradicting himself if he really wants 10-12 million per year on a team heading toward the Cup. No soon-to-be-winner has that kind of space so he needs to lower his crazy money standards to win a Cup or take the money he wants on a team that has the potential to win a few years down the line.

I think Kovy would be great for the Kings and could definitely help bring a Cup your way soon. Honestly I just don’t want to see him on the Devils (division rivals lol).

by NYIsles629 on Jul 7, 2010 4:04 AM PDT reply actions  

helenenothelen‎: Kings and Kovalchuk are “re-engaged” Lombardi says. Kovy to make first counter-offer today. This gets stranger and stranger…

I got this via Google, why can’t I get this to come up on twitter?

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, there you go.

I can’t tell if I’m laughing or crying

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by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Already people are saying that Grossman “won the game of chicken.” Yeah, sure. DEAN did not cave. That’s why Kovalchuk is the one coming back to make the counter-offer.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

The pro's apparently don't agree...

This just in from Lebrun…

"Real_ESPNLeBrun: If Kovalchuk does sign in LA, it was a strong poker play by Lombardi to break it off and have player come back to him…. "

Way to go Deano. Remind me never to play poker with you (or with you Quisp!)

by OneTimer. on Jul 7, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve always believed that Dean wasn’t going to go back to him, it’d have to be the other way around.

It still doesn’t mean Kovy’s going to stop being impossible, though. We’ll see.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a terrible poker player

precisely because I always go for the dramatic and my poker face is no good. My wife, on the other, is to be feared. She would play poker like Tweety Bird. “I weewy dont uhdastahd this seewy game OOH I WIN??” Card counter!

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who’s saying that Grossman won? It’s beyond obvious that they (Grossman, Kovi) didn’t receive the offers they had anticipated. I think it would be ridiculous to think they came out ahead in all of this.

I am speculating, like Quisp, that Dean and Lou gave their numbers and didn’t flinch. Now Grossman is forced to “re-engage” with Dean, Lou and whoever else and make some concessions. By making these concessions, they are hoping that any one of their alleged suitors make some concessions back. That’s what I think is happening anyhow.

"We love going to Canadian cities and beating Canadian teams." - Drew Doughty

by RealDrew on Jul 7, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just some yahoos, no one important.

Dean and Lou gave their numbers and didn’t flinch. Now Grossman is forced to "re-engage" with Dean, Lou and whoever else and make some concessions.

Totally!

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Team Kovi blinks

It is as I said; if DL and LL both hold the line, Kovalchuk must now do the courting because he is no longer the one being courted. His position is weaker.

Team Kovi has overplayed its hand. And so the immortal words of Nelson Muntz apply:

Ha ha!

by DougX on Jul 7, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

What idiot would say THAT?

Sounds like another Grossman leak of talking points. Maybe they don’t know that the first person to move or blink is the loser, not the winner. Lombardi hasn’t budged.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Random comments on the internet. I shouldn’t have gotten irked by them. I just had my limit of GOD DEAN IS AN IDIOT talk. (lights candle for St. Dinglebarn)

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

This Kovy stuff is getting outrageous. DLs offer over 13 years (if real), was a good offer for all parties. Cap hit of 6.5+ beautiful!

Now here is a stranger one. Kaberle for Simmonds. Who makes up this crap. Dealing Simmonds for 1 yr. of Kaberle who be absolutely ridiculous. And then there is Simmonds for Gagne.

There are some really warped opinions out there.

by src3 on Jul 7, 2010 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

These “warped opinions” are based on ignorant speculation. Most people don’t know or care how valuable a player like Simmonds is. They look at some of the stats and say that Simmonds is a decent young player. Of course, we Kings fans know better and understand that Simmer’s stats aren’t necessarily indicative of his true value.

IMO, if Simmer is traded for anything less than a game changer, I’m going to be very disappointed with DL. Players like Simmer are the reason teams win the cup.

"We love going to Canadian cities and beating Canadian teams." - Drew Doughty

by RealDrew on Jul 7, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Totally

Simmer has all the upside in the world…people who throw him into all these “deals” likely never saw the guy play.

by JZarris on Jul 7, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Simmer is Dean's boy!

Have you guys/gals ever noticed that DL seems to have an extra little twinkle in his eye, when talking about Simmonds? I do. I think it’s very real. I think whatever tangibles and intangibles that Wayne has proven to possess (both on and off-ice) are very, VERY valued in DL’s vision for this team. I dunno – I just see it and feel it. Maybe it’s his coming from little/nothing beginnings, his grit, his work ethic, his talent, and/or a combo of all the above and more- the obvious bottomline is this …

Simmer isn’t going anywhere. A-N-Y-W-H-E-R-E … while Dean Lombardi is still running this team.

by OneTimer. on Jul 7, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

who makes it up?

people who don’t follow the Kings. if you’re back East, you know there’s this team called the Kings and you know the names of five or six players, maybe. And if you’re really attentive, you know the names of some prospects or ELC level players. Those are the ones you throw into your rumor. Just because you’ve heard the name. It makes it sound “smart.”

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe the origin of this particular one lies with this gem on Sportsnet. The key line being that DL turned the offer down, despite all the “wrestling with temptation” spin, not that it kept people from running with it.

All you say above is true, too. It may even overlap with teams’ real desires — there’s just a difference between wanting and getting. See also: Philadelphia media on Jonathan Bernier.

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by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bernier — exactly so!

That’s a perfectly example of how this works. A little while ago, we had a nice Fanpost here from a Philly fan who wanted to know if the Kings would trade Bernier. Because they don’t want to push their luck with Leighton and they look at LA with these two good young goalies and y’know, they couldn’t possibly want to keep both, would they?

Now, what they don’t know (because they don’t follow the Kings) is what we know about Lombardi’s plan for Quick and Bernier, that they’ll almost certainly be in a 1A + 1B situation next year, and that he’s still evaluating both of them. And I was rather tart in my initial response to them.

But he (and the other Philly fans who chipped in) were pretty cool, and they were like, “Oh, I see. We were just curious.” Nice discussion. But basically, they just know what they see from outside Los Angeles, and without following the chat on blogs like this one.

by DougX on Jul 7, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kaberle for Simmonds

Please don’t copy & paste any of Eklund’s crap around here. SB Nation has a much higher standard than the crap that gets thrown around hockeybuzz.

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 7, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry. I posted a link from Matthew Barry last night, but to his defense he had the Kings back in the Kovi negotiations last night, which Helene Elliot has confirmed this morning.

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by RealDrew on Jul 7, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do not confuse Barry with Eklund. No need to be sorry. Barry is a fan and not a rumor whore.

by wavesinair on Jul 7, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

True. I’ve only recently started reading Barry’s blog and I haven’t seen anything completely outrageous yet. It’s more guilty by association I suppose. When you work in close proximaty with someone like Eklund, it’s hard not to be associated with him.

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by RealDrew on Jul 7, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Matthew Barry is good

goes off half-cocked as we all do sometimes, but what do you want, it’s a blog. Anyway, he’s not issuing fake rumors, and he always as far as I have seen reports rumors as rumors. And when something is reported as a rumor, that’s a suggestion to take it as fiction from an alternate universe, like a Philip Dick story.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

In other words: Alot wanna be Eklunds out there.

by src3 on Jul 7, 2010 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Keep in mind though

that the odds of Kovalchuk signing anywhere in particular have not changed just because the press narrative has changed.

It’s also now a fact that no matter what happens I will be equal parts happy and irritated.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Do I concur? Yes I concur.

I’ll be excited about the raw talent, highlight-reel, offensive addition to our boxscores.
I’ll be worried and wondering about the defensive lapses, and the locker-room chemistry.

Time shall tell.

by OneTimer. on Jul 7, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will chime in as well…

So far this guy hasn’t demonstrated much in the way of being reasonable. I still say we’d be fine without him.

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by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thus the need for a reasonable contract

If he turns out to be a celebrity toddler, we can trade him provided he has a reasonable contract. You can’t trade an unreasonable one, not of that magnitude anyway. There will always be someone who wants the 40 goals. $7MM for IK is likely tradeable. $10MM, not.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Devils fans are talking about the supposed 13-year deal averaging 6.5/year and wondering if that could possibly be right. Didn’t you speculate that it was very front-loaded, though? In that case, it would make sense. I forget where you outlined that, though.

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by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t know you were a Kings fan. lol. This stuff has really exploited both GMs more to LL. Good Luck to you guys and let the Kovy be with you (or us)!

Piece by piece we are slowly turning into the 2000 Devils team, anyone up for the A-Line: The Sequel?

by RolliePollieKovy on Jul 7, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, sorry. I flashed my ID in a post over there a while ago…talking with Skuba and dr devil about the Kings’ likely upper limit. Did not mean to be a secret agent!

I think the epic frustration with him right now truly unites us.

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by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, i don't know where i did the math either, but yes, front loaded

something like 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0.5
adds up to $84.5
divided by 13
is 6.5

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 7, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, in response to your actual comment, can you imagine epic TM clashes? I can.

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by Niesy on Jul 7, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

One thing to remember is we don’t know how much of this is Kovy and how much is his agent saying we should do this and then that. Obviously Kovy gets input, but if his agent is like listen we can hold out a little longer and get 15 million more ok? What is Kovy going to say to that. Both sides are just trying to get the best deal they can and I don’t really care as I have said before if we get Kovy at a reasonable cap hit then I will be happy whether it happens today or a month from now.

by GoKings09 on Jul 7, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Just a quick point, Garth Snow NEVER confirms anything. He’ll always say he was just in preliminaries or “kicking the tires”

I think he basically spent the 4th of July weekend talking Wang off the Cliff of giving Kovy that contract.

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by Mark D on Jul 7, 2010 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

LMAOBT!

I’m certain, that was exactly what happened in N.J.

by The Ram on Jul 7, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

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