Where's the Kovalchuk "back-up" deal?
A week ago, before the Bloch ruling came down, the more or less conventional wisdom was that the Devils and Kovalchuk would have a back-up deal in place and ready to go in case the hearing didn't go their way. A week later, that deal hasn't happened. Why not?
I hesitate to say it, but there is simply no reason for that deal not to have been signed instantaneously if in fact the two sides were in agreement on a deal they think Bettman would approve. (Okay, it's possible everyone is in a holding pattern waiting for clarificaion on possible penalties, but the fact that none have been announced suggests that ship has sailed and penalties are no longer an issue.) Lamoriello and Grossman are allowed to pre-approve any deal with the league (i.e. ask Bettman if he thinks this deal will get approved by Bettman, and he should know). So what could possibly be holding this deal up?
The main variables:
- Bettman's willingness to ok a deal that takes Kovalchuk to age 43, 42, 41, 40. Again, agent and GM know (because they can ask) what Bettman will allow. We can't know. But they know.
- Kovalchuk's willingness to compromise on his $10MM/yr for ten years demand.
- The Devils' willingness to compromise on cap hit. Will they go as high as $7MM? $7.5MM? $8MM?
I'm going to make some assumptions. First, I think Bettman's range of tolerance is somewhere in the 40-42 range. That's a big range though, given how much one year can mean in terms of raising or lowering the cap hit. Second, I think the Devils may be willing to go as high as $7MM, but they have a line they won't cross somewhere before $8MM, and maybe below $7.5MM.
I have no idea, though, what Kovalchuk is willing to compromise. He might well be sticking with his original demand. After all, if he had been willing to budge from it a month ago he would have signed with the Devils or Kings soon after 7/1 and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. So I think there's at least a decent chance that he is the stick in the mud here.
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Let's say Lou won’t go above $7.5MM cap hit and Kovalchuk won’t go lower than $9.5MM over eight years, plus whatever tail is necessary to bring the hit down. If Lou is willing to go that high AND IK is willing to go that low, then it’s easy to make a deal. 97.5MM//13yrs – $9.5MM for eight years, $5.5, 4, 4, 4, 4.
However, if Lou’s ceiling is lower and IK’s floor is higher, it gets problematic pretty quickly.
- Let’s say, for example, that as a starting point they simply lop two years off and raise the tail salary so it’s Hossified.
2010 6
2011 6
2012 11.5
2013 11.5
2014 11.5
2015 11.5
2016 11.5
2017 10.5
2018 8.5
2019 6.5
2020 3.5
2021 1
2022 1
2023 1
2024 1Same first 11 years as the rejected deal, but the tail is four years not six and $1MM not 750K and 500K. That’s about as far as I think they could push it. That deal might squeak by, and clearly they can ask the league before the fact if they will approve it.
If so, It’s a $6.83MM cap hit, which is still reasonable, and IK still gets his money. The same money, actually, since it’s the same deal up till he’s 38, then he gets paid more than in the other deal for four years. The total is $102.5MM.
If the league will "pre-approve" such a term, it essentially tells us that the Hossa investigation is closed.
So, if the league is willing to go to 42, and Lou is willing to go up to $6.8MM cap hit, they can make a deal. The thing is, if those two conditions were met, why haven’t they announced a deal yet? It’s a no-brainer for IK, a better deal in every way than the rejected one. Since this scenario requires no sacrifice from IK, it's reasonable to assume that there's no deal because either Bettman won't approve a deal to 42, or Lamoriello won't go up to a $6.8MM cap hit. Or both.
Let's have some chart fun. Three charts, each one represents a different length of contract Bettman will allow in Kovalchuk's case, 15 year, 14 year or 13 year (taking him to 42, 41 or 40, respectively). The columns in each chart represent the minimum $$ Kovalchuk is willing to accept; the rows in each chart represent the maximum cap hit Lamoriello is willing to accept. No/red means no deal is possible; yes/green means a deal is possible.
If Bettman is willing to allow a contract that takes Kovalchuk to 42, the chances of a deal are high. Even with no movement from IK, if LL is willing to go up to $7MM cap hit, we have a deal.
However, if Bettman is less friendly, and will only allow a deal up to age 41, it gets stickier. LL has to come up to $6.5MM at least, and that would require a huge sacrifice on IK's part. With no movement from IK, LL has to go up to $7.25MM, and that's right around where I think his limit is. So, with a 14 year term limit, the likelihood of a deal are not good (but not yet horrible, see below), unless Kovalchuk is willing to compromise. Which he hasn't been willing to do, to date.

If Bettman won't allow anythiing that takes Kovalchuk over 40 (i.e. 13 year term), Kovalchuk is all but required to take less to get a deal done. Even IK taking $90MM total means LL has to be willing to go up to $7MM cap hit, which is by no means something we can count on. This scenario requires real compromise on the part of both IK and LL. Kovalchuk has to come down at least to $95MM, and Lamoriello has to come up to at least $7MM cap hit. Less sacrifice by one means prohibitively more sacrifice by the other. My guess is that, if Bettman won't allow above 13 years, this deal is unlikely to happen.
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Maybe the deal is done and Kovalchuk is waiting until 8/17 to agree/announce it?
He’s completely obsessed with the number 17. It’s only 2 days away and well before he needs to come back to the states for training camp.
He is just working out in Russia right now. There is no reason to agree before the 17th, plus the longer it goes without a fine (I agree that it isn’t coming), the safer NJ feels with the deal on the table.
If there really was a problem, someone on Grossman’s side would have leaked it and re-opened the bidding war for Kovalchuk.
Other than making the fans happy, why announce the deal before the 17th? If I was a NJ fan, I wouldn’t panic until Wednesday. If the 18th arrives and there is no deal, then there could be a snag.
Why hasn't Kaberle be traded yet?
These things take time.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 15, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
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Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 15, 2010 11:46 AM PDT reply actions
The third variable is the easiest to quantify from the outside
Because CapGeek gives us the data we need to figure out the context, and the rest is basic math. Precedent and Bloch’s ruling gives us some basis for working out the first variable.
The second variable is the hardest to work out from the outside. We can only guess at Kovalchuk really wants. The people who propounded this theory are probably ducking their heads in embarrassment now (or should be if they aren’t), but I remember being shouted down in a discussion on Hammond’s blog by people who insisted that IK wasn’t interested in money, that he only wanted to play for a legit contender and win the Cup. While I don’t think we can dismiss the idea that winning is very important to him, I think the notion that he was willing to sign for less than what Atlanta offered him if it meant playing on a contender is pretty well discredited. And what about those theories that IK would sign with the Kings so that Mrs. K could live in Beverly Hills and be a pop idol?
My point being that almost all of what a lot of people thought they knew about what motivates Mr. Ilya Kovalchuk is now sitting outside the window, waiting to be collected and taken to the city dump.
I totally agree with Quisp
The longer this so call deal doesn’t get done, the more it shows how much of a DIVA he is.
Has there been any word from the NY Post on Kovalchuk?
They called the ~$100/17 deal well before it was announced. They obviously had someone on the inside, or perhaps it was Grossman that “leaked” it to the post?
NOOO Please
Mark Everson is terrible. They called the 7 year/60 million deal and caused Lou to flip out. Don’t listen to the Post.
Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."
Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."
by RolliePollieKovy on Aug 15, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree that they might be waiting until the 17th, but
camp is only three/four weeks away, and LL has to make some deals to make this all work. He can’t want to be trading $3-4MM contracts the week before the season starts. And if, for example, he signs Kovalchuk on 9/1, he not only is going to have to shed salary, but he’s going to have only a few days to do it and everyone will know he has to, so his bargaining power will be significantly reduced. Remember a few years back when Burke (in Anaheim) had to dump salary in September and everyone knew it so he traded Mathieu Schneider to ATL for spare parts? (and also gave us Sean O’Donnell literally for nothing)?
I can’t rule out kooky celebrity superstitions, but my cynical nature tells me that the reason they’re waiting is the same reason they were waiting before. To get a better deal.
Wait till this year.
I hate the web...
I saw this. Not the actual story but the rumor part added to the end of it. When will the madness end?
I feel Kaberle will create more holes then he would fill. His offensive skill set, while nice, would be a third wheel on this team. Seems more a need to plug defensive holes rather then more blue line offense.
I can not think of anyone I would be willing to trade (along with a pick) for Kaberle, more so considering the contract terms that he carries
Because they can
I tend to agree, good things come to those who wait, so why not?
Like the days of Dale McCourt Kchuk has, in my opinion become an icon of disgust. I liked it better when feeling NJ and LA had worked together to put him and grossman in a corner.
If nothing else I am left feeling that this guy has made (and exposed) a farce of hockey and I I sense this man laugh in our collective faces.
How can a one way 40 goal scorer in a third tier sport be worth this much?
Quite frankly and I hope his name never graces a band of the cup…even if he plays for the Kings.
This is what I wonder. This guy is acting like a total princess. The team that he was a franchise player for offered him what he asked, but he decided to go elsewhere to get it – and now he’s all surprised that nobody’s willing to take on that kind of a cap hit for a player that hasn’t proven himself a face of their franchise yet?
Meh. Is Kovalchuk a good shooter? Yeah. Absolutely. Can he score? Yup. He’s definitely a force. But ask him to backcheck and see what happens. He can score like Crosby or Ovechkin, but until he plays in his own end like Crosby or is a human wrecking ball anywhere on the ice like Ovechkin, he’s not worth the kind of money either of those players commands.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
The Simplest Solution
Is probably the answer.
If the Devils and Kovy could have come to a deal which kept Kovy under the cap (while only requiring 1 player to be traded) and gave enough money to Kovy to make him happy they they would have never needed to sign the 17 year deal.
There was no “backup deal” because the rejected deal was the only deal that would have made both sides happy. If the “backup deal” was less ridiculous then the signed deal then they would have used the backup deal in the first place.
Dominik signed me for 20 years, and all I got was a press conference and a voided contract...
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So far, I don't think anyone has mentioned Thrashers blogs
Mike Chen linked to one with an irrefutably calm and common-sensical take on this whole insane business.
Another great post, very thoughtful and interesting… I agree that if there was a backup deal, we would know by now. I think the Devils are probably trying to make Kovy feel like he “has” to stay for less because it’s “not their fault” that his enormous contract got rejected — but he’s a Devil for life, right?? Right?
Meanwhile Kovy’s camp is insisting that the Devils accept a bigger cap hit, and is probably angry at the idea that Kovy isn’t worth more than a $6m cap hit. Other great players have a $9m cap hit and their teams accept it because they value those players, and Kovy’s camp probably expects the Devils to do the same — the crazy plan didn’t work, so now if the Devils want Kovy, he comes with a bigger cap hit.
Kovy's deal
I agree with Quisp that Kovy is the stick in the mud here, whether it’s some weird obsession with the number 17 that’s holding up the announcement, or it’s that the first deal getting thrown out has left him so confused and gun shy that he no longer knows who to trust that he can’t feel comfortable committing right now, the impediment here is clearly Kovalchuk. The longer that he waits, the more he harms both the position of the Devils to get a deal with him, and himself to get a deal elsewhere. He will simply run out of time…or run into the waiting arms of the KHL.
Drop the puck, drop the mitts...Now that's hockey!
This is in Grossman’s court right now. Kovalchuk is working out in Russia right now and is just waiting for Grossman to “show him the money”. Maybe Kovalchuk gave Grossman a number to hit, but I doubt it. Grossman is just trying to get as much money out of Lou as possible. The longer it takes, the less time Lou has to get his roster set for the season. Lou also knows what the LA offer was and is probably offering a very similar contract, no reason to overpay by $22 million anymore.
I wonder if Grossman is talking with other teams to try to get NJ to up their 2nd offer. Nobody knows anything right now. Lou is probably offering much less total dollars to keep the cap hit down on a 13-year deal. Lombardi isn’t saying anything right now, so maybe Lou doesn’t know how low he can go before Lombardi is “back in” the race.
I really thought today would be the day that the deal was announced and it is now almost 5:30 pm EST. We are now a month away from training camp and Lou needs to move some salary before October. I’m sure he would like to know Kovalchuk’s cap hit before he starts dealing players away.
Yeah, I read that. Pretty interesting.
I have no idea if it’s the real explanation, but if the ownership group is in bad straits, it would explain the somewhat desperate move of forcing LL to do something that we all know (or assume) would otherwise have been totally out of character. They would essentially be attempting to use Kovalchuk the way McNall used Gretzky (I don’t mean “used” in a bad sense; okay, utilized), as celebrity “collateral” to secure further illusory financing. I did not know that the Devils were owned by an ex-Lehmann Bros executive, but it’s a nice, poetic detail.
Wait till this year.


















