But That's Not What He Said
There's a fascinating interview on NHL.com with Bill Daly, which updates the on-going investigations. It's worth reading on its own (follow the link inside the ProHockeyTalk article). I'm going to unpack what Daly said this evening when everyone is asleep, but I just wanted to quickly address PHT's interpretation of Daly's comments, which I believe are completely wrong.
Daly: NHL contract investigations continue, punishments may not be as harsh - ProHockeyTalk - Hockey - NBC Sports
If you've been wondering about whether or not the NHL is serious in their investigation of other player's contracts in the wake of nullifying Ilya Kovalchuk's 17-year, $102 million contract with New Jersey, deputy commissioner Bill Daly will have you know that they're still investigating. Marian Hossa, Chris Pronger, Roberto Luongo and Marc Savard are all having their contracts looked at a little closer, but if you're thinking the league will just blow up those deals, you might want to slow down a little bit before running with that conspiracy theory.[from the NHL.com article] "If there was a determination that there was circumvention there are a whole host of alternatives in terms of how we approach it and a whole host of remedies in terms of what can be ordered," Daly told NHL.com. "De-registration of the contract is one potential remedy, but it's not the only one. I don't want to get into hypotheticals. The investigations aren't complete, and we haven't made any determinations as to how we proceed with respect to those."
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"We're at a different stage now that the contracts have been registered so there is a different procedure that we would have to employ if we ever wanted to do anything with these contracts, and I don't want to create the perception or expectation that we are," Daly said. "It's just that these contracts continue to be under investigation."
So if you're thinking the NHL will come swinging through Chicago, Vancouver, Philadelphia and Boston with the hammer smashing everything up, you've probably just got a wild imagination.
I do have a wild imagination. But I can also read, and you entirely missed the point of what Daly said. He did not say, for example, "if it turns out there is a circumvention, the contract will be allowed to stand." It won't. (I'll get to the relevant CBA quote in a second.) The part I put in bold, above, about de-registration being "one potential remedy," does not mean that the league has the discretion not to void a contract that is deemed by the arbitrator to be a circumvention.
The second bolded bit, "the different procedure," refers to Article 26, which outlines how an investigation works, and Article 11, which outlines what happens when a contract is "de-registered."
To paraphrase the relevant passage, what happens is, if the investigation determines that there is a circumvention, there is a sit-down with the NHLPA to see if a resolution can be worked out. If not, we go to arbitration. And this is what occurs:
[11.6(b)(iii)(B)(x)]: If the Arbitrator sustains the League's de-registration, then the Arbitrator shall order that immediately upon the League's and Club's receipt of the Arbitrator's decision, the de-registered SPC will be deemed null and void, and the Player shall not thereafter be entitled to any of the rights or benefits provided for under the de-registered SPC, and the Player's Free Agency and/or contractual status shall revert to the status he held prior to signing his SPC, provided that the Player shall be entitled to be paid his Paragraph 1 Salary and Bonuses (other than Signing, Roster and Reporting Bonuses, if any) earned during the period, if any, such Player played for the Club pursuant to such SPC. If the Arbitrator determines that the Club was responsible for the Circumvention and the Player was not, the Player shall be free to sign with another Club without regard to any signing deadlines and shall be made whole by the Circumventing Club for any damages suffered by the Player as a result of the Circumvention.
Other penalties, as Daly said, may apply, at the league's discretion. But if there's an arbitration, and the arbitrator agrees with the league that a cicumvention has occurred, then the arbitrator SHALL order that the contract be deemed null and void.
Back to the Pro Hockey Talk post:
That's not to say that these teams won't have problems should the league declare shenanigans on those contracts, it's just that their efforts to do something about them are hindered by the fact that they've already registered those contracts.
They're not hindered. Maybe politically. But the process does in fact allow the league to, as you say, blow the contracts out of the water. In fact, if they are ruled circumventions, they have to be blown out of the water. There is no provision for determining that a contract is a circumvention AND YET will be allowed to stand.
Back to Pro Hockey Talk:
Daly not going into specifics about what the league could do if they find those contracts are similarly cap-deflating is a bit disappointing as I'm sure fans and teams alike would be curious as to what the process would be to make adjustments to make the contracts fit their own parameters.
Look. Here's the thing. With a de-registered contract, there's only one instance in which the contract can be "adjusted to fit" as a result. And that's specifically if no circumvention is alleged or found.
11.6(b)(ii) If an SPC is challenged because it does not comply with the Maximum Player Salary and said challenge does not involve, and it is not, a Circumvention [...] (A) [...] the dispute shall be referred to the Arbitrator who shall reform the SPC so as to conform it to the requirements of this Agreement.
The Arbitrator himself reworks the contract if it's an issue of maximum player salary. But only if no circumvention is alleged. In all of these investigations, circumvention is alleged. So there is no reworking. If the league concludes that there is circumvention, there is no reworking. As with Kovalchuk, there is only, void or don't void.
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Diction, diction, diction
That very well could have been the point of what Daly said about de-registering the contracts, but that was not a very well-thought-out statement: “De-registration of the contract is one potential remedy, but it’s not the only one.” How else is anybody supposed to read that other than “they could de-register the contract if they felt so inclined”? If de-registration is a necessity following the discovery of a Circumvention, Daly sounds very misinformed.
Oh, I think Daly just garbled his point a bit.
The word “potential” makes it sound like, if there’s a circumvention there’s an option to de-register. But what he’s saying is, the outcome of the investigation could potentially be a number of things, including x, y, z (the list). But his main point, which he takes pains to emphasize (even though it’s not clear at all what he’s talking about), is that the contracts are (merely) being investigated. They haven’t determined whether or not they will conclude a circumvention has occurred. So, the part of his comment which sounds kind of like “don’t worry about it it’s not that bad” is really just saying, “we haven’t accused anyone yet.”
But as far as an investigation concluding that a circumvention has occurred, if that happens either the arbitrator agrees or not, and it’s voided or not.
Wait till this year.
NHL Deputy Commissioner with Bob McCown and Dave Perkins (The Fan 590)
Kovalchuk’s contract around the 11 minute mark.
http://www.fan590.com/media.jsp?content=20100818_174020_1852
Great info Quisp.
The funny thing is now, is that it seems to be more about making the other contracts work. That they weren’t as egregious as the Kovy deal.
I read the whole NHL.com post, and the tone and tenor from Daly seems to be far more conciliatory than combative. It leads me to believe they are working to make this just go away. That the Kovy deal sent the message, but that the other deals will sneak through. They might ask them to rework the Savard and Pronger deals, but the others never pay below a million. That seems an important distinction.
He did clarify one thing pretty clearly, or at least the writer of the article helped him to. His identification of the “3%” that Kovy was getting those last years as the circumvention dovetails with Bloch and the comments about a salary being below league min.
If you look at the corresponding length of time ( lets say 4 years of the 12 year deals of as opposed to the 6 of a 17 year deal ), than Hossa’s deal is in danger more than Luongo’s. He gets 1 mil each of those last 4 of his 63 mildo deal. Thats roughly what ( just under 7%?)…Luongo’s is 7 of his 64 mildo deal, or close to double that percentage.
Luongo’s deal seems to be safer than Hossa’s ( which makes for an interesting hypothetical when talking about punishment, or even the practicality of taking a combative tone. One of the league’s great stories, and Original 6 team, just won the Cup. You think the NHL wants to taint that? I don’t )
The other two deals are more about the other thing specified ( by Bloch) of being paid a salary that would be below league minimum..Both Savard and Pronger’s deals do that. That’s the reason I think they might get reworked.
The thing I find funny is how the only contracts that get the ink in this debate are the 4 mentioned.
Detroit started this, and have more of the deals than other teams, and they get a pass?
Uh huh.
My question is, are these investigations ever likely to be concluded? Obviously the league benefits by keeping them open indefinitely — you can’t cite the Hossa contract as precedent if it hasn’t been cleared — but unless new evidence suddenly pops up, it seems as though we’ll be in limbo for a while…
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