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Ilya Kovalchuk exploring KHL options as decision on Devils lingers - Puck Daddy - NHL  - Yahoo! Sports
[A] difficult decision for the free-agent winger could come in the next 24-48 hours. Sources close to Kovalchuk have told us that if the NHL does not approve any of the proposals submitted informally by the Devils, Kovalchuk may decide to play in the KHL next season.

My first reaction to this is, don't let the door hit you on the way out. My second reaction: interesting that there isn't even a second NHL club to play this off of. The fact that the KHL is the threat he's using tells me that Kovalchuk is not compromising, New Jersey can't do 13 years/$102MM (cap hit $7.85MM) and the league won't let Lamoriello push it beyond 15. So, no deal. Kovalchuk threatening to go to the KHL isn't going to suddenly make the league cry uncle. As I said in an earlier post, I think Lou can do Kovalchuk money if he spreads it out over 15, but not over 13. The only thing that's going to make this deal happen in New Jersey is Kovalchuk coming down in his price by about $10MM. And frankly if he were willing to do that he would have had a deal six weeks ago.

The other thing this tells me is that Kovalchuk or Grossman seem to think the league is the problem here. That's predictable, I guess. But how about we look at this like rational human beings:

Star-divide

  • Kovalchuk wants something approximating $100MM over ten years. Maybe he wants to get more than Ovechkin. Maybe he just likes the number. Who knows. But he wants it. He's entitled to want it, and to ask for it, and to refuse to play if he doesn't get it.
  • Very few (if any) people actually think that Kovalchuk is worth more than Alexander Ovechkin, to say nothing of Sidney Crosby, or Evgeni Malkin, or Marian Hossa, or Jonathan Toews, or name your own favorite. Kovalchuk and Grossman appear to have talked themselves into believing it -- the biggest free-agent ever to hit the market in his prime, etc. -- but just as many people note that he doesn't play defense, has no track record of playoff success, or even of international success, and has spent most of his career toiling in the land of meaningless games played for a non-playoff team. 
  • Any team in the NHL that has the cap room can agree to pay him what he's asking. They could do it like the Ovechkin deal, and just have the cap hit and salary be the same over the course of the deal. $10MM a year for ten years.
  • Nobody is willing to do that.
  • Seriously. Think about how weird that is. It's not like Kovalchuk is an RFA hold-out (e.g. Bobby Ryan). Kovalchuk is holding out and he's free to do whatever he wants. He's holding out against no-one. Which means basically, he's holding out against reality, trying to force reality to cave. Who acts like this? (I mean, besides my six year old.)
  • We've all seen -- a million times -- players hold out against the current team, because their current team won't pay them what they know they can get from other (better, more desirable) teams. Who in his right mind holds out against everyone when no-one wants to pay him what he's asking for? 
  • Before you say, "but New Jersey wants to do it; the big mean league won't let those crazy kids get married!" -- no, because what he's asking for is $10MM a year for ten years. No one wants that cap hit. The rest of it is about making the cap hit palatable, and Kovalchuk's interest in that is less than zero.
  • The only way any interested parties can afford a non-compromising Kovalchuk is if the contract goes for longer than 10 years, to bring the cap hit down.
  • The league has, according to various reports, drawn the line more or less at 13 years for this deal. Any deal with Kovalchuk over the age of forty will not fly. (Although I bet you the league would agree to a 15 year deal if the salary was level over the course of the contract. But who am I kidding; Kovalchuk wouldn't agree to such a thing, since the last contract demonstrated pretty persuasively that he doesn't expect to be playing much beyond 37.)
  • So, what it comes down to is, Kovalchuk wants to get paid $100MM, and no one can afford it. "It" being the cap hit.
  • Either Lamoriello takes on an extra $2MM in cap hit (thus dumping two millionaire contracts instead of one, and next year having to pay Parise that much more, and maybe having to lose another body in the balance), or Kovalchuk takes less money...say, $8MM a year for 10 years and then 4, 4, 3 for the last three (that would be a $7MM cap hit).
  • If Kovalchuk wants to play in New Jersey, that's what it's going to take. It's only money, right? The league isn't going to suddenly say, okay fine, just kidding, go ahead, you can have your fifteen years. 
  • Do I think Kovalchuk will agree to $8MM over ten years (followed by a tail)? No. At least not before he agrees to a one year $10MM deal somewhere, or decides to play in Russia.

Report: Kovalchuk sets deadline to be signed or else KHL option becomes real - ProHockeyTalk - Hockey - NBC Sports
This just about fries it for me as far as how things go for the NHL on this matter. We outlined what was going on with this nonsense the last two days when word came out both about the NHL pooh-poohing more contract framework and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman tap-dancing around questions about that happening. The point now is that the league has left Lou Lamoriello, Jay Grossman and Ilya Kovalchuk wandering around aimlessly trying to lock down a deal that works for everyone without having a blueprint to follow.

They're not walking around aimlessly. Their aim is to get a contract that's longer than 13 years, so that Lamoriello can afford it. I said a month ago that they would almost certainly be safe with a 13 year term, and lo and behold, the league has apparently said exactly that. It's not aimless at all. They just want something they are being prevented from getting.

Sure they could try to model things after Vincent Lecavalier's 11-year contract, but who's to say that 11 years is going to be too long to appease Commissioner Bettman and Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly?

I think pretty much everyone knows that 11 years would be just fine with the league. (And if they don't know, all they have to do is ask. That's what these meetings have been about. Asking first.) Doesn't matter though: Lamoriello can't afford an 11 year deal unless Kovalchuk is willing to drop his price by about $25MM.

The NHL prides itself on being the home to the greatest hockey talent in the world and while the KHL pales in comparison both in talent level and in league stability, it remains the main option for anyone looking to continue playing professionally that can't get a job in the NHL.

Kovalchuk can get a job in the NHL. But why should he be paid a salary that basically no one thinks he's worth?

Losing a star like Kovalchuk to the KHL over a squabble like this one, seemingly made to prove a point to other teams as well as agents and the NHLPA is insanity at its highest. With Kovalchuk setting this deadline to get a deal done, he's making sure he at least has somewhere to play. The KHL season begins on September 8th.

Kovalchuk can play anywhere he wants. But he can't get paid any amount he wants. My favorite thing about his "deadline" is, he's the only one in a position to compromise, and he's not budging. He's negotiating with himself. And I frankly don't believe Lou Lamoriello really cares so much about Ilya Kovalchuk that he will do anything to get him, including dismantling his team while grossly over-paying for one unproven guy. The Devils were a very good team last year, and they have already made themselves better for this year. They don't need Kovalchuk; he was about zero help last year anyway.

And why exactly is it that the two teams who actually want him are not willing to pay more than $5.33-7MM a year for him? Could it possibly be that this is his actual value?

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To which I say: WTF?

I mean, the League just brought its foot down Monty Python-style when it rejected the contract, and then got their rejection upheld in arbitration. That was a real power play. It was as significant a demonstration by a professional sports league of Who Is In Charge as I have seen in a long time.

And Team Kovy still thinks that they have leverage after all of that? They seriously think that they’re in any position to issue an ultimatum to anyone? Especially since, as Quisp points out, they have just made it obvious that they have no other viable offers from other NHL teams. They basically came out and admitted it. They tried to make themselves look strong, but admitted weakness in the process.

It’s the very height of chutzpah, or the nadir of insanity, Or both. More and more, it seems like the Kings really a dodged a bullet here.

by DougX on Aug 26, 2010 10:14 PM PDT reply actions  

What the hell is up with that article?

That’s the whiniest, weakest thing I’ve seen in a looong time (actually right after the league squashed the 17 year deal…you know where).

by JZarris on Aug 26, 2010 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Devils fan here… I agree on most of this, specifically the end of the aritcle – NJ and LA were the only serious bidders and neither of them seems willing to go above a $7 mil cap hit. If the cap hit goes above $7 (Id say $7.5 is the max they could reasonably handle) it could really screw the Devils. Since the Bloch ruling the most reasonable solution has been 13 years, $91 million. However, Vanderbeek (Devils owner) wants Kovalchuk – he sees $$$ from jersey sales, etc, so ultimately (and unfortunately) I think the Devils cave and offer 13 years and $95-$100 million. I like adding a guaranteed 40 goal scorer but the bottom six is starting to look pretty thin.

by drhgzang on Aug 26, 2010 11:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Id add that Kovalchuk was one of the few Devils who actually did show up in our short stint vs. the Flyers. He made the team better, with the defense they had and the matchup they drew (1 win vs. Flyers last year) they weren’t going far anyway.

by drhgzang on Aug 26, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

True. And I agree with all you say above. There’s every reason to believe that Vanderbeek will push for this.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Aug 27, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

My dream is coming true...

I knew this was going to happen. Kovadonnachuk threatening with the “give me what I want, or else” ultimatum. This will blow up in his face and he would have to make good on his threat “or else” he could accept whatever offer the Devils have on the table and SHOW weakness.

Life likes to play a game with you called “UP YOURS!!!”

by The Ram on Aug 26, 2010 11:12 PM PDT reply actions  

He wants his cake

And to eat it too.

We’re already at the point that Kovy is looking like he’ll be making less then if he stayed with Atlanta.

He wants the fortune Atlanta would have given him, while playing for a Championship Calibre team. Specifically he seems obsessed with the Devils. Personally I think (without being a Kings fan) that the Kings have a better shot at the Cup long term

What I don’t understand is that Lou had to know what Kovy was going to be looking for. Why did he use up all his cap space before trying to sign Kovy?

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by Mark D on Aug 26, 2010 11:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Lou was thinking about a cap hit around $6 mil, so essentially he would have moved Salvador or Zubrus to get under the cap.

by drhgzang on Aug 26, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

No sympathy

I have zero sympathy for either side, because they both want something that can’t happen under the current rules.

Kovy wants $100 million in 10 years? It’s absurd. He’s not worth that much money. And no team can afford the cap hit without cheating. (And oops, cheating didn’t work).

And the Devils want to pay Kovy $100 million without a big cap hit? TOO BAD. My team pays Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin an average of 8.7 per year. That’s not a fake number that we buried in contracts with a long tail — the cap hit for each player is actually $8.7 million, or $17.4 for both players. What do you think that does to our salary cap? Let me tell you. We cannot afford good wingers. We could not afford to keep Gonchar or Guerin or (sigh) Scuderi who plays for your team now. It sucks! But that’s what happens when you sign a superstar — there are actual salary cap consequences.

So if Kovy ends up in the KHL or anywhere that isn’t New Jersey, I will laugh and laugh. The entitlement (“we need a superstar but we can’t possibly have the real cap hit because we are ‘constrained’ by wanting to keep all of our good players”) — and the determination to get an unfair advantage, even after an arbitration ruling against them just makes me want them to lose him even more.

by Cari on Aug 26, 2010 11:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I won’t speak for other Devils fans – especially those who think the NHL hates NJ – but for me the annoyance over this whole saga is not that I feel “entitled” to signing a superstar for a lower cap hit. Instead its the arbitrary nature of everything: 42 and 43 years old is ok but not 44 (come on we all know these “investigations” will amount to nothing)? Front loading a contact so a player gets 95% of the money in the “pre-retirement years” is ok but 97% isn’t? Sending a player to Europe for two years to clear almost $6 mil in cap space each season is ok but not a contract that somehow makes a $10 mil cap hit a cap hit of $6? It just all seems very arbitrary, in other words if these types of deals are not ok then you should have put your foot down 4-5 years ago when Kiprusoff’s contract started this mess, I know his doesn’t look that bad compared to the Hossa, Luongo, etc deals now but it seems to have to started the trend.

by drhgzang on Aug 27, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except that the League fired a shot across the bow after the Hossa contract

The investigation into it was never closed, so in that sense the League never really legitimized it. And it did take the occasion to warn other teams not to push their luck in the future in fashioning front-loaded contracts like this.

So in that sense, Carl is quite right; neither IK nor the Devils have any excuses because IK’s proposed contract clearly went beyond Hossa’s.

by DougX on Aug 27, 2010 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

When you keep inching your way up every season, you’ll eventually be arguing that 50 is a perfectly logical age for a player to play till. You’ll argue what’s the difference between 95% and 97% and then get to the point that it’s 97% compared to 98%.

The league had to step in, and I think it was a combination of the tail being so ridiculously low (The last 4 years kovy would have made less then Chelios did at 45) and the age in the final year of the contract.

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by Mark D on Aug 27, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more.

I understand Lou is trying to win championships but he wanted to bend the rules off the ice to give the devils an advantage. Like Cari said with Malkin and crosby comes highlight goals, huge followings of fans across the board, and they get exactly what they pay for, AND THE PENS PAY FOR IT. This is exactly the reason the cap is in place and both sides are trying to forego that. I think That the money has nothing to do with what Kovalchuk is after. It is more about the pride that comes with it. It is the comparisons to Ovi and Crosby financially. It happens all the time in the NFL, (Look at the holdouts with Vincent Jackson and darell revis). He wants to be considered as one of the top 5 players in league, and the financials to validate that, and Lou wants a top 10 player at the cost of a top 50 player. IDK what they are smoking, but I’d like to try it.

by kingsfan20 on Aug 27, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Quisp … great post.

Hey Kovy … yawn.

by OneTimer. on Aug 27, 2010 6:24 AM PDT reply actions  

NJ and Grossman/Kovalchuk are to blame for this, not the NHL

I’m tired of hearing how the NHL is forcing him out of the league. The 17-year contract that clearly showed that Kovalchuk wouldn’t play past 12 years is why the league wants a new contract at 13 years max. Why would the league reject the 17-year contract, then turn around, and accept a 15-year “concept” proposal for the same player and team?

This has nothing to do with any other player or contract. This is only about NJ and Kovalchuk. Just sign him to a $102/13 year deal and NJ will have to deal with the cap hit just like Pittsburgh, Washington and Tampa does with their superstar players.

Sure they could try to model things after Vincent Lecavalier’s 11-year contract, but who’s to say that 11 years is going to be too long to appease Commissioner Bettman and Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly?

This has to be the dumbest thing I have read on the Kovalchuk subject. Daly and the NHL have already said that they have no problem with the Lecavalier contract. If NJ wants a $7.7 cap hit, then the NHL won’t stand in their way. It is when NJ wants a $10 million player (at least in the player’s eyes) for a $6 million cap hit, that is when the league says no. If Kovalchuk wants to take less money, then sure, you can have a lower cap hit. The league would approve $80/13, but it sure looks like it is about the money with Kovalchuk’s camp.

by Sydor25 on Aug 27, 2010 6:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Not to mention they could just ask Bill Daly and/or Bettman if 11 years is ok, which they have been doing. So they would say, specifically.

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Aug 27, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

And why exactly is it that the two teams who actually want him are not willing to pay more than $5.33-7MM a year for him? Could it possibly be that this is his actual value?

Best if he goes KHL. The end result of these contract will be a league filled with 37 year old graybeards complemented by a bunch of $250K/year players. Concussions will be replaced by broken hips. I can see it now, Ilya Kovalchuk, 38, expected to out for 4-6 years with a broken hip.

 “Well Bob, if he continues to work on his upper body while he recovers he should be good to go for 2022-24 season!”

“And you know Jim, this is double bad news for the Devils after their other star forward was recently diagnosed with premature senility after scoring two goals last month on his own goalie.”

“You know that represented something like a breakout game for him Bob, because until that game he had been holding his stick upside. Most guys just didn’t say anything thinking, “Hey, he’s a veteran and he knew how to score and he makes the big money. He must know what he’s doing.”

“All I can say Jim is I really like the way these long term contract structures have changed the game!” And now back to the Wellness-Anthem Scoreboard.

by USHA#17 on Aug 27, 2010 7:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh, yeah, the topic, sorry.

I agree that he has shown little other then 6 meaningless points in the playoffs. My diatribe indicates that I feel long term contracts will distort the tier one signing going forward and usher in an era of unbalanced lineups, a few good players supported by a lot of underpaid duds.

Let IK sign for 12 years, $7-8M and I would say reasonable gamble. Any more and LL should hire Kevorkian as the team doctor.

Kovalchuk was the only surfer on the water last season. That day is gone and the tide has changed. Won’t bother me to see him move to another beach, perhaps on the Black Sea or the Baltic.

by USHA#17 on Aug 27, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with the suprise that a second (or third or fourth) club isn't getting involved.

Or maybe there are teams that have done a good job hiding it. When the arbitrator’s ruling was announced, there was a lot of talk of an NHL team offering a one year contract. As the most recent version of the Kovalchuk negotiations have dragged on, it seems like the KHL is the only option left for Kovi.

by sstephen17 on Aug 27, 2010 8:51 AM PDT reply actions  

I like this:

He’s holding out against no-one. Which means basically, he’s holding out against reality, trying to force reality to cave. Who acts like this? (I mean, besides my six year old.)

Pretty much sums up the whole ordeal. BTW love your analytical skills and your blog Quisp.

by superfan#99 on Aug 27, 2010 9:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Aug 27, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Kovalchuk can't accept 13yrs at 91 million in a cap-driven league

then he truly is a primadonna. I love how after the “signing” the Kings instantly signed Poni. Now his bargaining chip is the KHL where he (adamantly?) said he didn’t want to play.

After the smoke clears, Lombardi and Bettman come up smelling like roses, Kovi and Grossman, not so much. Now Lamiorello should come out today and say “we’ve decided not to sign this f@ck@ng a@@hole!” (maybe a little more elequently.)

The first two sentences in your post summed up my thoughts exactly, Quisp. Don’t let the door hit you in the azz Kovi, you might lose your wallet!

by WildKaRD on Aug 27, 2010 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey Quispie--

Gotta say, I told you so!

Because of all the information you gave us regarding the CBA and contracts in general, it became obvious months ago that this situation was headed for an impasse.

That impasse only occurs because of IK’s intransigence. The only reason IK is not a King is because of his $102 MM greed. The Bozo can twirl, as far as I’m concerned.

The only real story proceeding from this is the NHL vs. NHLPA war that is about to occur. Now that the agents realize there really IS a cap the best players must deal with, they will push to remove it. As you’ve pointed out, the average NHL player loses every time one of the elite players gets one of these contracts. That means this war is really between the NHL (siding with the average players) vs. the NHLPA (siding with the elite agents and the Clubs that have a great deal of money—dare I say TORONTO…). The KHL is a side circus that will get more older overpaid NHL players and dissatisfied elite players from Eastern Europe/Russia (that means YOU, IK!).

The biggest residual question is: Will anyone sign anymore long-term deals before the current CBA expires? By anyone, I mean DREW DOUGHTY… ???

by BakoCA on Aug 27, 2010 9:59 AM PDT reply actions  

The biggest residual question is: Will anyone sign anymore long-term deals before the current CBA expires? By anyone, I mean DREW DOUGHTY… ???

I expect Doughty to get a Kopitar-type of contact. 5-7 years around $6.5 million cap hit. I don’t see a Keith contract being signed by Doughty yet since he could still grow this next season. Imagine if he wins the Norris in 2010-11? Why commit to 12 years now.

Doughty isn’t going anywhere because Dean would match any offer sheet.

by Sydor25 on Aug 27, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

DD...

I hope you are right, Sydor25.
Boy, do I hope you are right!

by BakoCA on Aug 27, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair to Kovy, if he had gone to free agency two years ago (hell, even last year) he probably could have gotten 10X10. He just happened to hit the market the year that everyone who would throw out a dumb deal had already given one out to an inferior player. The inability to back off from that demand is troubling, but at this point I’d say it’s almost more about pride than money.

I just hope he doesn’t leave because I love watching him play and I don’t want to lose him.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Aug 27, 2010 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

It's finally over! Yay!
wyshynski Per Puck Daddy’s @dchesnokov, source says NHL will approve latest Kovalchuk proposal. No word on terms; waiting for NJD announcement.
TGfireandice It’s looking like Devils got a thumbs up on a contract proposal with Kovalchuk. Waiting for a confirmation.

Now, let’s see who Lou trades to get him under the cap.

by Sydor25 on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Not so fast....this is just like Groundhog Day. :)
EJHradek_ESPN As of 3:02 pm ET, NHL Deputy Commish Bill Daly says the league has not yet signed off on concepts for new Kovy-Devils deal. To be continued

The new rumors are that Kovalchuk accepted a $100/15 deal. Lou could still submit it without the league’s blessings.

by Sydor25 on Aug 27, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rumors from where? I thought a 15 year deal was nixed.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Aug 27, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I see, you mean they want to try arbitration again?

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by Niesy on Aug 27, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Lou is rolling the dice on a 15 year contract for Kovalchuk

The league did not pre-approve the contract. The league has 5 days to make a decision to register the contract or reject it.

by Sydor25 on Aug 27, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoaaa.

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by Niesy on Aug 27, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder who caves in this negotiation, the Devils or Kovalchuk?

I’m guessing Kovalchuk backs down from his $100 mil request. Common sense (which is not a given in this case) says that the league wouldn’t approve of anything more than 12, maybe 13 years. I don’t see Lou taking a salary cap hit to the point where he would need to trade a guy like Parise. I’ll throw out a guess of $95 mil/13 years.

by sstephen17 on Aug 27, 2010 12:25 PM PDT reply actions  

He’s holding out against no-one. Which means basically, he’s holding out against reality, trying to force reality to cave. Who acts like this? (I mean, besides my six year old.)

I agree that wanting Ovechkin money says some weird things about him, but from his POV, what does he have to lose by waiting? I’m sure he’s trying to get every penny he can. The Devils have every reason to try to wrap this up quickly, since they have contracts to move (tick tock), but he loses nothing that I can see. You could say that he has unreasonable expectations, but the KHL is always there. As far as I can see, he could dawdle as long as he likes.

That said, I really doubt that this KHL threat will spook the league. But whatevs. I still think Vanderbeek pushes for this deal and makes it happen.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Aug 27, 2010 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

IK won't negotiate...

He thinks anyone who believes he should get less than $102 MM/year is a terrorist.

by BakoCA on Aug 27, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

$100 million over 15 years is the great compromise.

Almost everyone has confirmed that the submitted contract is $100/15. Just a better structure. Lou is rolling the dice just like Vancouver did with Luongo’s contract. The only difference is that Kovalchuk and NJ already have a rejected contract with the league for almost the same amount.

This will be very interesting to see what the league does.

After the previous rejection, I can’t imagine an acceptable structure for a 15 year deal (unless every year is the same). If it is approved, this was all a tremendous waste of everyones time and expense. It probably cost the NHL more than $2 million to fight the first contract.

by Sydor25 on Aug 27, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if it gets approved

as long as the tail years are in the $1.5MM range. I think maybe the league at this point may just want to move on and wait for the CBA. Plus, this time it has Lou’s seal of approval.

by WildKaRD on Aug 27, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing about the Kovalchuk situation will surprise me,

but it would show the rest of the league that there is no consequence for trying. If NJ really gets to eliminate $2 million and 2 years after they already had a contract rejected for cap circumvention, the NHL is a complete joke.

It’s time to clamp down on these contracts completely. If the NHL loses the arbitration, so be it. Then the line will have been drawn. $100/15 is the line and $102/17 is over the line for 27 year old players.

If they win another arbitration, then these deals are done for at least 2 years.

by Sydor25 on Aug 27, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t looked closely at the terms of the new deal, but I’d have to agree with you just on the face of it. The League took a firm stand when it rejected the first contract and won a substantial victory when the arbitrator sided with them. If they give up without a fight when NJ and IK are not acting like they have been properly chastened, they surrender just about all of the prestige and authority that they won the first time around. They might as well bend over and squeal like a pig for Donald Fehr when the CBA comes up for renegotiation.

IK’s “ultimatum” only gives the NHL more reason to dig in its heels. He basically said, “I’m bigger than the NHL.” You don’t give an ultimatum unless you think you are more powerful than the other party. The NHL can’t stand for that and expect to command and respect from its players, the players’ agents, or the constituent owners.

by DougX on Aug 27, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree totally.

And, since this will go to the same arbitrator, unless the conditions put forward by the arbitrator are met, this thing will go down in flames.

Unless this is a flat deal (which is not impossible), there is no chance that the NHL, and then later the arbitrator accept the deal. There must be significant risk to IK monetarily at the end of the contract, as an incentive to play it out. If there is a discernable flip year (where the money decreases to such a low point that IK can reasonably be expected to bail), the deal must be thrown out.

Yes—to all those out there who believe the NHL should have accepted the first deal because it was similar to the other retirement deals—this contract will be more in line with earlier deals BUT the NHL does not have to accept the earlier deals if it becomes clear they too have circumvented the CBA.

The NHL still holds all the cards. It seems to me that this is a Sweet Lou stab in the dark, hoping to strike gold with a blind last second maneuver. I think it will be rejected. Don’t be surprised if—even before the arbitrator gets the case—IK bails to the KHL.

by BakoCA on Aug 27, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been away all day and haven't really been able to catch up to today's developments

it sounds like:

1) the devils submitted an official signed contract.
2) we don’t know the terms.
3) the terms might be 15 years/100MM. or might just be “close to that.”
4) the league either may have or may not have pre-approved the deal, with consensus favoring the “did not pre-approve” option.
5) per CBA, league has five days to approve or reject.

my questions are:

1) either the devils submitted a pre-approved contract or they didn’t. Why would they submit a contract that the league already said wouldn’t fly? I can’t think of a reason, so I have to assume they think the contract will be approved (based on their meetings with the league over the last three weeks).
2) never mind, that’s my only question.

thoughts?

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Aug 27, 2010 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Is there a downside to a rejection by the NHL?

I’m sure the league recommended a 13-year deal and Lou sent them a 15-year deal.

Maybe the NJ owner was really afraid that he would sign with the KHL if they didn’t submit the contract? Kovalchuk wasn’t going below $100 million and Lou didn’t want to go to 13 years at $100 million due to the cap hit. Do you really think it took more than 2 weeks to come up with $100/15? I’m sure Lou was trying to get a 13 year done for less money, probably around $90 million. With the threat of the KHL, the owner may have forced Lou’s hand again.

Honestly, I don’t see much of a downside for the league to reject it. If they lose the arbitration, then we are back where we started with Hossa and now Kovalchuk being the “line”. If they win another arbitration, the league will have killed these contracts for at least 2 years. It’s not like Bettman is well liked by the fans or NJ already, he won’t take much of a PR hit if the NHL rejects this new contract.

If the contact is approved and with no punishment against NJ for their circumvention of the CBA, their initial win against the 17-year contract is worthless and more GMs will give these contracts next off season.

I can’t imagine the league pre-approving a 15-year contract and if they did, then the contact would already be registered.

by Sydor25 on Aug 27, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The downside being:

Every time it gets rejected it is a “circumvention” and therefore subject to penalties (which they have yet to hand out). I’m not sure you want to push it.

by 88fingerslukee on Aug 27, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was talking about a downside for the NHL, not NJ

NJ should have been punished for the first circumvention. Obviously NJ didn’t learn anything from the $102/17 contract by offering a $100/15 deal now.

by Sydor25 on Aug 27, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

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