(POLL) Mt. Suckmore, Kings Edition
by Quisp on Aug 3, 2010 8:30 AM PDT
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PrintBattle of California asks that we contemplate nominees for our own team's Mt. Suckmore. Meg defines the nominating criteria:
These are the four players (or coaches or GMs or whatever) that, when you think of your favorite team, just fucking drive you out of your mind. The guys that you couldn't stand even when they wore your team's jersey, or players you are embarrassed to have once cheered on. Coaches who stayed long past their expiration date or GMs that couldn't make a good deal to save their lives. The blotches on your team's past roster that embarrass you whenever they are mentioned.
Sounds like a poll to me. If you have a write-in candidate, leave it in the comments (and don't vote yet, so that when I add your suggestion to the poll, you will be able to vote for it).
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- Ladislav Nagy
- Tom Priessing
- Patrice Tardif
- Ron Grahame
- Ken Houston
- Jeremy Roenick
That’s all for now
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I resent that!!!
I really liked him as a king. Yeah I know he’s a goon but he’s the kind of goon you want on your team instead of meeting him face to face on the ice. His type of attitude on the ice was what they needed. off the ice is what people hate, but I it’s entertaining to me.
Making fun of Brownie's lisp
That’s a character flaw that can’t be covered up by his entertainment value, IMO.
True, the Brownie lisp incident, Re: Avery...
…but his confronting Brian Hayward in the King’s dressing room was absolutely classic! He’s still a deserves to be on the list though. Brownie needs to take care of that guy one day!
by kiosku2 on Aug 3, 2010 12:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Avery has it coming
That asshole plays dirty everytime he steps on the ice. Maybe this year Westgarth will kick his ass.
Welcome aboard;-)
It’s great when we get new people to join JFTC. We welcome everybody with opinions and we don’t ban them if we don’t like their opinions (Unlike ILWT)
the gretzky trade to the blues has to go down as....
one of the worst trades in professional sports history…ever…
in 1984, i was hospitalized for approaching perfection....
With Quisp’s inclusion of Roman Vopat, and my listing of Patrice Tardif, we have 2 of the players coming back already listed. We’re just missing Craig Johnson and the 2 draft picks, I believe
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Aug 3, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree....
The Dodgers trading away Pedro Martinez for DeLino Deshields is THEE worst sports trade EVER!!!
This is awesome.
I'm just saying: I'm pretty sure this means deaf people are devil worshipers.
Battle of California
yutaka fukufuji....
was the equivalent of a charlie finley promotional stunt…
the 4 games and the 4.37/83.17% he put up signified how bad the team’s goalie situation was at the time…and was somewhat emblematic of the organization’s continuous problem of snaring a legit franchise goalie…
ahhh….have things change for the better since…:)
in 1984, i was hospitalized for approaching perfection....
Yeah Beat the Chant was Unbeatable
Fu-Ku-Fu-Gee clap-clap clapclapclap Fu-Ku-Fu-Gee clap-clap clapclapclap
Don’t blame YF! Not his fault; he never said he was great or even good, or anything really, but certainly did his best. I’ve always felt both sorry for him and happy for him; sorry that he got stuck in a bad spot and happy for him that he got to the NHL. I’ve read a lot of your posts, Variable, but you’re off-base with this one. Signed BBTSJ
i don't think i'm blaming fuku...
i’m all for diversity…i’m an equal opportunity lover and hater…
i’m glad that fuku got his change to put on nhl pads for a few games….
how-ev-a…
like i said, fuku’s debut was more borne our of necessity than a promotion…and he wasn’t ready-for-prime-time…he was thrown into a difficult situation…this was more of a reflection of what our goaltending situation was then…
in 1984, i was hospitalized for approaching perfection....
Wake Up. Check JFTC. Rub Some Salt in Those Old Wounds...
that’s how my morning started.
McMaster
Cloutier
Crawford
McSorley’s Stick
McMaster is the douche nozzle who traded 99. Do your research peeps. I’m a glutton for punishment, so I thought this poll was hilarious and actually a bit cathartic.
Did you take a moment to research who Ron Grahame was?
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Aug 3, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. Grahame really was crap.
Certainly worthy of a spot, but ahead of whom, Crawford or Cloutier?
…
It saddens me greatly that the Kings have been so pathetic over the years that Cloutier no longer makes my Mt. Suckmore :(
It’s not Grahame’s fault he got traded for the pick that turned into Ray Bourque, but he certainly is responsible for his 4.19 & 4.21 GAA in his two seasons with the Kings’ OrganIzation (after leading the Bruins to the Finals the year before). Blech.
Thanks for taking a moment to look him up after I mentioned it :)
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Aug 3, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
absolutely!
Ronny G was a little before my time (born in ‘81), but as a true Kings fan, I’m always interested in adding to my LAK knowledge.
Correct Me If I'm Wrong
But wasn’t one of the first things McAster did was trade Luc, one of the most popular players ever, when he came on board? I hated him and I didn’t even know him…
"That's a nice shirt....you get a bowl of soup with that?"
Yeah, I voted for McMaster too. Here’s his trade history:
June 25, 1994 – Acquired a seventh-round choice in the 1995 NHL Entry Draft (Benoit Larose) from Ottawa for Jim Paek.
July 26, 1994 – Acquired Sean O’Donnell from Buffalo for Doug Houda.
July 29, 1994 – Acquired Rick Tocchet and a second-round choice in the 1995 NHL Entry Draft (Pavel Rosa) from Pittsburgh for Luc Robitaille.
Aug. 8, 1994 – Acquired Ruslan Batyrshin and a second-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft (Marian Cisar) from Winnipeg for Brent Thompson and future considerations.
Oct. 3, 1994 – Acquired Eric Lacroix, Chris Snell and a fourth-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft (Eric Belanger) from Toronto for Kelly Fairchild, Guy Leveque, Shayne Toporowski and Dixon Ward.
Feb. 10, 1995 – Acquired Randy Burridge from Washington for Warren Rychel.
Feb. 14, 1995 – Acquired Philippe Boucher, Grant Fuhr and Denis Tsygurov from Buffalo for Charlie Huddy, Robb Stauber, Alex Zhitnik and a fifth-round choice in the 1995 NHL Entry Draft.
Feb. 17, 1995 – Acquired a fourth-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft (later transferred to Washington) from Dallas for Mike Donnelly and a seventh-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft.
March 27, 1995 – Acquired Arto Blomsten from Winnipeg for an eighth-round choice in the 1995 NHL Entry Draft.
May 31, 1995 – Acquired Jan Vopat from Hartford for a fourth-round choice in the 1995 NHL Entry Draft.
June 7, 1995 – Acquired a fifth-round choice in the 1995 NHL Entry Draft (originally from Vancouver; Jason Morgan) from Dallas for Jeff Mitchell.
July 8, 1995 – Acquired Byron Dafoe and Dimitri Khristich from Washington for a first-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft and a fourth-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft.
Nov. 13, 1995 – Acquired Steven Finn from Tampa Bay for Michel Petit.
Dec. 28, 1995 – Acquired John Slaney from Colorado for a sixth-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft.
Jan. 14, 1996 – Acquired Steve Larouche from the New York Rangers for Chris Snell.
Jan. 25, 1996 – Acquired Kevin Stevens from Boston for Rick Tocchet.
Feb. 10, 1996 – Acquired Craig Ferguson from Calgary for Pat Conacher.
Feb. 17, 1996 – Acquired Shane Churla and Doug Zmolek from Dallas for Darryl Sydor and a fifth-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft.
Feb. 27, 1996 – Acquired Craig Johnson, Patrice Tardif, Roman Vopat, a fifth-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft (Peter Hogan) and a first-round choice in the 1997 NHL Entry Draft (Matt Zultek) from St. Louis for Wayne Gretzky.
March 14, 1996 – Acquired Ray Ferraro, Nathan LaFayette, Ian Laperriere, Mattias Norstrom and a fourth-round choice in the 1997 NHL Entry Draft (Sean Blanchard) from the New York Rangers for Shane Churla, Jari Kurri and Marty McSorley.
March 19, 1996 – Acquired a fourth-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft (originally from Los Angeles; Mikael Simons) from Philadelphia for John Druce and a seventh-round choice in the 1997 NHL Entry Draft.
March 20, 1996 – Acquired Jaroslav Modry and an eighth-round choice in the 1996 NHL Entry Draft (Stephen Valiquette) from Ottawa for Kevin Brown.
June 20, 1996 – Acquired Stephane Fiset and a first-round choice in the 1998 NHL Entry Draft (Mathieu Biron) from Colorado for Eric Lacroix and a first-round choice in the 1998 NHL Entry Draft.
Aug. 22, 1996 – Acquired Petr Klima from Tampa Bay for a fifth-round choice in the 1997 NHL Entry Draft.
Oct. 25, 1996 – Acquired a conditional choice in the 1997 NHL Entry Draft from Pittsburgh for Petr Klima.
Nov. 19, 1996 – Acquired Chris Marinucci from the New York Islanders for Nick Vachon.
Nov. 28, 1996 – Acquired Brad Smyth from Florida for a third-round choice in the 1997 NHL Entry Draft.
March 18, 1997 – Acquired Glen Murray from Pittsburgh for Ed Olczyk.
Sam Mixmaster, or Sam McMasterbator
He probably was really trying, but this list defines mediocrity in almost every player acquired and transaction conducted.
End Corporate Personhood.
And Glen Murray could easily be on the list of embarassments...
He had the curse of being tagged with “Potential”. I remember him missing the net form the slot and being too slow to get the shot off, with that annoying low skating posture
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Can I just put the Med Alert team of Palffy, Allison, and Deadmarsh? So much potential, and so much failure.
by Olympichero03 on Aug 3, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Randy Jones, anyone?
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
by Geoff Detweiler on Aug 3, 2010 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
Are you talking about Randy “Drives a Trans Am And Still Goes to High School Parties” Jones?
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Aug 3, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Just when I finally forgot about him....
You HAD to remind me. His name SHOULD’VE been on that list:-O
Geoff, it’s really not fair to bring our angst to another board. I know misery loves company and all, but…yeah, never mind. I just voted for Jones :P
Honor is no substitute for victory.
by The Dark on Aug 4, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
what about Aki Berg??
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
At least we were able to flip him to Toronto for what ended up being Cammelleri, who later became Teubert…
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Aug 3, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Classic Berg Moment
I remember watching him backing into the zone as a guy was coming at him. The forward faked going outside and Aki started crossing over towards the boards. The forward then goes to the inside and Aki keeps crossing over and back peddling right into the corner as the guy goes in on net. It was hilarious.
Another moment like that that I remember was Dan Bylsma falling down on a 2 on 1 with Gretzky as the sweet saucer pass was coming across to him.
Just a couple random moments that I’ll never forget…
what i remember about that 2on1 was Gretzky complaining about it afterward
which made me not like him.
Wait till this year.
Stopped liking Gretz!??
Or stopped liking Berg?
I imagine that Wayne’s frustration wasn’t with Bylsma since we all know he was a man with limited skills and was totally out of his comfort zone playing with Gretz. You can’t blame Bylsma for that, and I don’t think Wayne did. I think that his frustration was probably with the coach (whoever it was at the time) and rightly so because it was so obvious that he shouldn’t have had Bylsma out there with Gretzky in the first place and it is annoying to have to learn the hard way.
That’s my take, but I love Gretzky and am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
don’t forget to add Ron Grahame please, Quisp.
We could have had Raymond Bourque!!!
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Aug 3, 2010 12:37 PM PDT reply actions
Nominees
Sorry, I always hated McSorley and Tony Granato. I’ll push more to have Granato on there and settle for the stick.
My (not so) Favorites Included:
Pete Stemkowski
Pat O’Sullivan
Jim Wiemer (interchangeable with Wilsey)
Ronick (should be listed twice)
That’s because you gave everyone else a head start over Ron Grahame :)
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Aug 3, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
… A little surprised Crawford has so many votes. The Kings’ M.O. during those two seasons was to lose as often as possible. Marc just did what he was expected to do.
by JT_Dutch on Aug 3, 2010 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
another couple of doozy's....
donald audette…(yes…that donald audette…he had that gruesome injury involving a skate blade to a tendon…ouch, babe…!…)
pavel rosa…(the flower that couldn’t bloom…it’s the only hat-trick he ever performed…)
kevin todd…(the only thing more painful than watching him skate is…nothing…if you thought allison was slow…geez…!…)
i know these guys aren’t really contenders on any list…but they deserve to be on the list with the dozens of other infamous kings…
in 1984, i was hospitalized for approaching perfection....
Pavel Rosa’s a great call
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Aug 4, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
How does Jaroslav Modry not make this list on the first draft? I realize there are lots of names, but that guy is probably only surpassed by Cloutier as worst King ever.
I realize he has a decent career after leaving here (and not terrible while here), but it’s not like Daryl Sydor was widely loved here. Steve Duschene is another not bad player who sucked here on more than one stint. Grant Fuhr too. None of those guys were fan favorites.
And no mention of Rick Knickle either?
Cloutier and Modry have to be my first two votes. After that there’s a lot of equivalent suck out there.
by Captain Material on Aug 4, 2010 10:07 AM PDT reply actions
Steve Duschene sucked in LA???
Are you kidding me? He averaged 58 points a season during his first 5 years with the Kings. As a defenseman, he scored at least 20 goals a season for three years in a row. His total +/- rating during his first 5 seasons on the Kings was +55!
I can’t believe someone seriously suggested #28 be nominated for Mt. Suckmore – that’s the kind of irrational {stuff} you’d expect to read over in the comments of Hammond’s blog, but not here.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Aug 4, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Modry was fine. He wasn’t great or anything but he averaged like 35 points a season while playing 3rd pairing minutes.
Agreed. I think the Modry hating is unreasonable, and it’s what you’d expect to read in Hammond’s comments.
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by DodgerBlueBalls on Aug 4, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would be happy right now to get the same Modry we let go or that played in Dallas.
He was another guy that got the bad rap and it just stuck for some reason. Duchesne, despite he very unfortunate name, went sour for me a season before he was let go. The guy put up points, but he constantly bailed out of hits and just gave the puck away. He turned into someone deserving the name “twinkletoes”, but even I still think it goes too far to say he sucked on more than one while he was in L.A.
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I disagree about Modry. I think he deserves all the bile put upon him. Part of the issue is him getting undo minutes. I can only find stats for his last two years here, but averaging 24 minutes a game for 161 games over two seasons isn’t 3rd pairing minutes. It seemed like he became a coach’s favorite because he followed direction, but simply wasn’t effective.
My issue with Modry is that he did next to nothing. I can recall countless replays with him standing and watching the game from just to the side of the net instead of covering the guy scoring.
I’m not someone who goes for overly macho hype or finds feminization as a form of insult very palatable. If Modry’s play style was effective, I don’t care if he was physical or not. But he wasn’t physical and also wasn’t effective. He was carrying a purse out there and wouldn’t even hit a guy with it, he’d just stand still and watch them score and then Murray would reward him with another shift.
And it’s not like he stuck somewhere else where his talents and potential were better utilized and he had better results, so I’m kind of puzzled by the envy of the performance Modry put on for other teams. Those teams certainly weren’t impressed enough to invite him back. He spends one full season in ATL after signning there as a UFA (I sent Don Waddell a thank you card at the time), and then they trade him in a deal that sees his spot on the D replaced with a 7th round pick (so clearly they thought he was valuable on the blue line).
The Modry “that played in Dallas” then was so impressive to his new team, they trade him at the deadline.
After his full UFA year in ATL, he plays a total of 76 games over two seasons for teams not the Kings. I’m sorry, but that doesn’t speak to anyone thinking this guy was worth keeping on a roster.
Modry sucked. Comments and commentors on plenty of boards are irrational, unreasonable, and hyperbolic on topics and opinions that may be similarly. Modry sucking has more weight to it than that.
by Captain Material on Aug 4, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I can think of plenty of players that put up points but didn’t make a significant contribution to the team being better or winning. His second stint here stands out to me as bad much more than his first, but the guy was, for lack of a better term, a screw-up. Tripping on breakaways with the goalie out of the net, firing the puck into the bench and his teammates instead of out of the zone, etc.
Hey, if you can stomach Blake being out there for consideration without screaming about it being irrational or unreasonable, I have trouble finding your issue with Duschene being similarly considered.
by Captain Material on Aug 4, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Hayward?
Am I missing something here? I hate him and all, but he’s the Ducks’ guy.
Those beedy little eyes and huge forehead…. mumble mumble…
I hope everyone knows I have no intention of facing this sober.
Who I voted for...
1. McSorley’s Stick
2. Randy Jones
3. Dan Cloutier
4. Marc Crawford
Man, so many BAD memories….I need a drink:-/
Going by position...
Goalie: Dan Cloutier – Nice recommendation Crawford
Defense: Denis Tsygurov – Zhitnik trade, big guy wouldn’t break an egg in his pocket
Forward: Patrice Tardiff – Gretzky trade, couldn’t take a pass if he used superglue
Other: Jack Kent Cooke – Why keep a first round draft pick…ever?
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