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JftC Western Conference Predictions are in!

To recap, I decided we would poll the population to come up with a single "group" prediction for the Western Conference standings. We ran some polls. It got slightly out of hand. I believe there were fifteen polls in all. I poured over the data in a spreadsheet, got a headache, lost some unsaved work, got confused, whittled stuff away, discovered that the shoot-out point is totally random, and finally popped out the other end with what we (the population of this blog) seem to think the West will look like after the second week of April.

Since I made the whole process up as I went along, nobody should take it too seriously. But here are the standings:

  1. Vancouver Canucks - 111 pts
  2. San Jose Sharks - 110 pts
  3. Chicago Blackhawks - 104 pts
  4. Los Angeles Kings - 102 pts
  5. Detroit Red Wings - 100 pts
  6. Phoenix Coyotes - 94 pts
  7. Colorado Avalanche - 92 pts
  8. Nashville Predators - 91pts
  9. St. Louis Blues - 90 pts
  10. Calgary Flames - 88 pts
  11. Minnesota Wild - 84 pts
  12. Anaheim Ducks - 81 pts
  13. Dallas Stars - 74 pts
  14. Columbus Blue Jackets - 74 pts
  15. Edmonton Oilers - 71 pts

If I had made my own personal prediction, I probably wouldn't have put the Wings that low or the Kings and Hawks that high. Detroit really ought to be more like their old selves this year, without the injuries and with Hudler back. Chicago, I have no idea how they will do, but I don't think they'll be in the top four. I could be wrong. Nothing would surprise me. I don't think they'll drop entirely out of the playoffs, but 5-7 is totally believable. (I actually wouldn't wish that on them; it's bad for hockey every time a championship team craps out the next season; I'd rather play a powerhouse Chicago than a decimated one.) St. Louis also might finish higher than 9; I kind of think they'll be a playoff team. Don't know who will lose out there, maybe Colorado. Nashville just always seems to make it for whatever reason.

After the jump, we'll look at what I learned about the shoot-out point and how it screws everything up.

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A few comments on methodology. First, like I said, this is a hodge-podge. Second, since we didn't poll the Eastern teams, I used the Western teams' winning percentage in-conference (64 games) and applied to the 18 games each team plays against the East. Obviously, this assumes that the Western teams will do equally well against Eastern teams, which would not be the case in reality. But it's close enough for our purposes.

Especially since any fluctuation in the point totals that would result from adjusting the cross-conference numbers pales in comparison to the wide pendulum swing caused by the shoot-out point.

Much has been written on the topic of the randomness of shoot-outs. I will dig up those fine posts by people who aren't me and link to them here. The bottom line is, there is little to no correlation between real game success and shoot-out success, real game scoring and shoot out scoring, real game goaltending and shoot-out goaltending, and on top of all of that, there's very little correlation from one season to the next. Players who are shoot-out gods one year turn into steaming piles of **** the next. Because it's random.

I took a quick look at last year's shoot-out numbers, and saw that the fewest number of shoot-out wins was 2, and the highest was 14. So I used that as the range.

I then generated 11 (I don't know why 11, it just worked out that way) random sequences of 15 numbers between 2 and 14, using Excel's "randbetween" function. And I added those points to the totals for each team.

The result is, eleven different versions of next season, all based on the same opinions of our polled blog population, all starting with the same underlying numbers. The difference among these 11 predictions is the random application of shoot-out wins. Sometimes you get 2 points. Sometimes 14. Usually it's somewhere in between.

The prediction I posted before the jump uses the average of each team's point totals from the eleven simulations. Since the average shoot-out point bump was -- not surprisingly -- about 8, each team got about an 8 point bump from the foundation numbers. So, over the course of the eleven simulations, the randomness evened out. No-one shifted places on average.

However, it's mildly terrifying to pick a random number between 1 and 11 and choose that column and say that's your season. Because, as the charts show, there's a wide range of possibilities depending on how the shoot-out points are distributed.

In the two charts, A-K are the eleven simulations. The first chart is point totals. The second chart is "seed." Green means you made the playoffs. Red means you didn't. The last column in the second chart indicates the range of seeds the team drew (for example, the Kings landed anywhere from 2nd to 6th).

 

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And just to underline: the variation is only due to the assumption that the outcome of shoot-outs is random. The way the teams "played" the season doesn't change; in fact, the teams' "play" was entirely determined by our predictions, per the polls. Only the shoot-out totals change from column to column.

The shoot-out effect is particularly strong for the middle five teams (in our "opinion," PHX, COL, NAS, STL and CGY). Colorado is frequently dumped. Calgary catapults.

The Kings finish with an excellent 97, or a record-smashing franchise-best 107. Or somewhere in between.

I will link to those randomness posts this evening and update the post. But I'm hitting publish now, as I'm eager to hear what you all think of this.

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Nashville getting in...

…would make Barry Trotz the coach for what…the next 10 years?

by 88fingerslukee on Sep 14, 2010 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with your methodology

and would like to subscribe to your newsletter :)

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by Yankee Canuck on Sep 14, 2010 3:35 PM PDT reply actions  

The Kings finish with an excellent 97, or a record-smashing franchise-best 107. Or somewhere in between.

Whoa.

IIRC, last season the Kings would have played Phoenix in the first round instead of Vancouver, all because of one standing point (and we had more regulation wins than Detroit). Gah.

Detroit should be a lot better this time around. I will definitely have my eye on St. Louis this season, as well.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 14, 2010 3:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree as to the Hawks

I really would not be surprised to see them miss the playoffs altogether. Their lineup is so different than last season, and a lot of people do not realize just how big an impact that will have, even if all the new players were as good as the old ones, which they are not. It will take at least a month for them to start to gel and by that time they will likely have a lot of ground to make up. They certainly won’t win their division. And if the team does not come together they will be fighting for their playoff lives by February.

They will probably make it but I would be surprised if they are better than the 6th seed. The Canucks, Wings, Sharks (even without Blake and Nabokov), and Kings are all definitely better going into the season and the Coyotes, Blues, Avalanche, and Flames should all be competitive enough to push them. Hell, even Columbus could be in the race if Mason finds his game again this season. And that’s to say nothing of the Predators, Stars, and Ducks, who I view right now as wild cards. The only teams in the West that I think are clearly out of the running for competitive seasons are Minnesota and Edmonton.

by Garrett79 on Sep 14, 2010 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I, too, think the Hawks will struggle this year

Depth is so important to success in the NHL, and the Hawks pretty much had to gut theirs. It will tell not only because you have to roll over at least 3 lines every and 3 defensive pairs every night, but also because guys will have to step up because of injuries at some point.

Plus, I really don’t think it’s likely that an aging Turco will be a sufficient patch on the season that Niemi had last year.

by DougX on Sep 15, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the top 5 is pretty much dead-on. Maybe not in that exact order, but something close to. Chicago still has most of their necessary players, and the ones they’re filling in gaps with aren’t terrible replacements.

Should be higher: Anaheim, Calgary
Should be lower: Phoenix, Colorado

by SmellOfVictory on Sep 14, 2010 6:44 PM PDT reply actions  

For the most part it looks good with a chaotic 4-9 scramble in April. Detroit and St. Louis should improve. LA should find it difficult to finish ahead of Wings.

I believe the Kings will need a good acquisition before April if they are going to avoid another 6-7-8-9 scramble.
 
Kings, Phoenix, Colorado too high
Anaheim, Calgary too low
St. Louis this season’s wild card

by USHA#17 on Sep 14, 2010 6:50 PM PDT reply actions  

So in no possible outcome will the Ducks make the playoffs? Excellent.

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by Megalodon on Sep 14, 2010 10:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m have surprised kings fans didn’t project the ducks to go 10-72 or something. Had that been an option, it probably would have won.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.

by Ubiquitous on Sep 15, 2010 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully they’ll put themselves out of contention by November again. As is right in the world.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 15, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ruling out partisanship as much as possible, my guess is...

The Coyotes finish 8th or 9th, I think they had too many guys with career years to duplicate the success. Chicago and Detroit compete for the Division title and the winner has about a 1 point edge, but not 104 points, closer to 99-100 or 100-101, meaning the second place team in that division probably ends up 5th or 6th. Vancouver/San Jose win divisions, Van tops in points becuase they have a weaker division to play against. Kings within 5 points of Sharks, so Kings might get 4th but more likely 5th as, again, our division is so tough and the schedule mandates the accent on divisonal games. I think the surprise team is the Ducks getting in, and Colorado not making it. I also think the Eastern conference will do better against Western Conference teams, driving the point totals down for the Western Conference.

So, my rankings look like this:
Vancouver 109 pts
San Jose 107 pts
Winner between Chicago/Detroit 101 pts
Kings 102 pts
Loser between Chicago/Detroit 100 pts
Ducks/Preds 95 pts
Preds/Ducks 94 pts
Coyotes 92 pts
Avalanche 91 pts
Flames 91 pts
Blues 90 pts
Stars
Wild
Blue Jackets
Oilers

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by Player-X on Sep 15, 2010 8:17 AM PDT reply actions  

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