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Los Angeles Kings 2010-11 Season Preview

GLENDALE AZ - SEPTEMBER 14:  Kyle Clifford #64 of the Los Angeles Kings celebrates with teammates after scoring a first period goal against the Phoenix Coyotes during the NHL Rookie game at Jobing.com Arena on September 14 2010 in Glendale Arizona.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

 

I wrote what I thought was a stupendously brilliant and exhaustive Kings season preview that would have undoubtedly redefined blogging as we know it, had the SBN editing interface not eaten the whole thing leaving you stuck with this:

Star-divide

 

2009-10 Recap

  • The Kings exceeded everyone's expectations in '09-'10, flirting with a top four seed before finishing sixth in the West and qualifying for the playoffs for the first time in eight years.
  • Lombardi added Rob Scuderi (UFA), Ryan Smyth (trade with Colorado) and Justin Williams (trade with Edmonton and Carolina); Scuderi, to anchor wunderkind Drew Doughty; Smyth and Williams, to jump-start Anze Kopitar.
  • Flanked by Smyth and Williams on the first unit, Kopitar led the league in scoring into November, before injuries to Smyth and Williams broke up the line.
  • Scott Parse got his first look at NHL action, and responded by leading the team in goals per sixty minutes of ice time (G/60).
  • Brad Richardson rebounded from a horrible '08-'09 to become Terry Murray's utility knife, and seemed to play every position on every line at some point or other during the season.
  • Drew Doughty played his sophomore season like it was his 10th, topped his impressive rookie numbers, won a spot on the Canadian Olympic team, and earned a Norris Trophy nomination.
  • Jack Johnson, Jonathan Quick and Michal Handzus also earned Olympic nods, and Johnson in particular came into his own in the Vancouver games. JJ's Olympic momentum carried him the rest of the season and the playoffs. He played easily the best hockey of his post-collegiate career after mid-February.
  • Jonathan Quick went in the opposite direction. On a tear before the Olympic break, Quick sat on the US bench for two weeks, and was never the same. Although he finished the season with a franchise-record 39 wins and 72 games played, he only won 6 of 22 after the break.
  • The Kings limped into the post-season, finishing with 101 points, the third best point-total in franchise history.
  • The Kings opened their first playoff series since 2002 in Vancouver against the #3 seed Canucks.
  • They split the first two games, both OT. The Kings dominated game 3 and two-thirds of game 4.
  • At which point, the wheels fell off. Twenty minutes from being up 3-1, the Kings found themselves tied 2-2, and that was enough to wake up the Canucks. They closed out the series in six.

Offseason Moves - Who's In/Who's Out

Big Enigmatic USSR-born Left Wing

Out: Alexander Frolov (to NYR)

In: Alexei Ponikarovsky (from PIT, but really TOR)

Thoughts: Love the Fro, but this is probably a wash.

Wise, Old Defenseman Who Can Kick Your A**

Out: Sean O'Donnell (to PHI)

In: Willie Mitchell (from VAN)

Thoughts: If healthy, Mitchell is a substantial upgrade. Also, Doughty says they have the same "personality type," which ought to be something to behold. Note to Fox Sports (or obsessive stalker-type season-ticket holder with gear like in "The Conversation"): mic them.

Mistake-prone third-pairing defenseman with offensive upside

Out: Randy Jones (to TBL)

In: nobody. 

Thoughts: A resurgent Davis Drewiske and/or one of the prospects (Thomas Hickey, Johan Fransson or Jake Muzzin) will fill this spot.

Bottom six wisdom and sandpaper

Out: Fredrik Modin, Jeff Halpern

In: nobody. 

Thoughts: That's okay. Halpern was no good in his short stay here; Modin was great, but the spot is better filled by one of the kids. Two trade-deadline pick-ups that cost us nothing except Teddy Purcell who will probably Moulson his way to 30 goals this year.

Hulking obstruction-penalty generator (enforcer)

Out: Raitis Ivanans (to CGY)

In: Kevin Westgarth (Manchester, AHL)

Thoughts: Terry Murray has indicated Westgarth has all but earned a spot on the fourth line. This makes no sense to me but what do I know. 20 year-old Kyle Clifford seems like a better choice.

Strengths and Weaknesses

King-sized Strengths

  1. Depth of scoring - I keep reading that the Kings lack scoring depth, but I think it's more accurate to say that they use scoring depth to compensate for lack of a dominant first line. What the Kings really have is no first line, one elite second line and two (maybe three) great third lines. But what the Kings lack in 40 goal scorers, they more than make up with the sheer volume of guys who can or will score 20. Kopitar, Smyth, Williams, Stoll, Brown, Ponikarovsky, Handzus, Simmonds, Parse, Doughty...that's ten guys. One of Schenn, Moller or Richardson also have a shot at 20 if they get a full season in. The league record for 20 goal-scorers in one season is 11 (Boston, 1975). 
  2. Youth - The Kings got a bit younger last year, and might get younger still. We won't know until we see who makes it out of camp. Regardless, the "core" is young: Brown, Kopitar, Simmonds, Doughty, Johnson, Moller, Richardson, Drewiske, Quick, Bernier -- are all 25 or under.
  3. Unity - Lombardi has methodically assembled a roster of team players, character guys and leaders. For better or worse (hint: better) he steered clear of Dany Heatley last summer, and didn't break the bank for Kovalchuk. It's tempting to wish Lombardi would compromise the long-term plan just once, but if the fully operational battle station of Doughty, Kopitar, Johnson, Simmonds, Brown, Schenn, Clifford, Quick, Hickey, Loktionov, Moller, Voynov and Bernier peak simultaneously in a perfect storm of hockey greatness in (say) two years, no one will complain we don't have Kovalchuk or Heatley. Kopitar and Brown are coming into their own as leaders. Lombardi went out and got three cup winners (Justin Williams, Sean O'Donnell, Rob Scuderi) and four guys with 230 playoff games between them (Ryan Smyth, Jarret Stoll, Matt Greene and Willie Mitchell). The farm system is full of captains (Hickey, Teubert, Moller, Schenn, Muzzin) and players with significant international experience (Martin Jones, Bernier and Kozun, in addition to Hickey, Teubert et al, have World Jr experience; Vey, Clifford, Toffoli, Schenn and Deslauriers are on the preliminary WJC rosters for this year).

King-sized Weaknesses

  1. Top six firepower - the conventional wisdom is true: the Kings might have eight-to-ten 20 goal scorers; they might have a couple of 30 goal guys; but they'll be lucky to have anyone who scores 40. I wouldn't say second-line left-wing is a "hole." But it's a question mark. And, this week, Dustin Brown is skating with Kopitar and Smyth on the first line. Brown is either the best third-line right-winger in the league, or a pretty great second-line guy. Is he a first line 30-goal scorer? He was once, three years ago, under the run-and-gun Marc Crawford "system." Exception or rule?
  2. Experience - Lombardi has brought in several veterans. But experience will always be an issue until they've earned it, together, as a team.
  3. Enforcers and Deterrents - Terry Murray likes to have an enforcer on the active roster. The last two years, it was Raitis Ivanans. Raitis, while being a kind hearted fellow who, for example, went to see "Billy Elliot" when the Kings were in NY, and who was also fairly terrifying to the opposition on the rare occasions he was released from shackles, was also an obstruction penalty machine. He's in Calgary now, and in his place is either (1) Kevin Westgarth, who is a little more fleet of foot than Raitis, but not enough to put anyone's mind at ease, or (2) some combination of middle-weights a la Wayne Simmonds, Kyle Clifford, Rich Clune or Jordan Nolan. Since two of those guys have no NHL experience, and the other is more irritating/hilarious than scary, I can only assume we're going with Westgarth. I can easily see that turning into Ivanans 2.0.

Depth Chart

Active roster

Here's what we've got without the question marks:

Ryan Smyth - Anze Kopitar - Dustin Brown

LW2 - Jarret Stoll - Justin Williams

Alexei Ponikarovsky - Michal Handzus - Wayne Simmonds

LW4 - C4 - RW4

F13, F14

Rob Scuderi - Drew Doughty

Willie Mitchell - Jack Johnson

D5 - Matt Greene

D7

Jonathan Quick

G2

Second-line left-wing

It's his job to lose: Scott Parse

Could lose job to: Brad Richardson, Oscar Moller.

Or, one of these prospects: Brayden Schenn, Bud Holloway, Brandon Kozun, Andrei Loktionov.

Wildcard: Schenn. If he makes the team, he might get switched to LW. At which point, all bets are off.

Verdict: Kozun and Loktionov are not physically ready yet. Moller is more likely to start in Manchester, but be in the on-deck call-up spot. Richardson seems to be a squatter on the fourth line, but ready to take over if Parse craps out. But I don't think Parse will crap out.

Fourth-line utility forward

It's his job to lose: Brad Richardson

Could lose job to: Oscar Moller, Trevor Lewis.

Or, one of these prospects: Brayden Schenn, Corey Elkins, Marc-Andre Cliche.

Wildcard: Moller. A brilliant camp would make him hard to send down.

Verdict: Murray appears to be giving the opportunity to Richardson. I would hope that if he's outplayed by Moller or Schenn in camp, that the best player gets the job. But Richardson's maturity and versatility (and the fact that he's not waiver-exempt) give him an edge.

Fourth-line Deterrent

It's his job to lose: Kevin Westgarth

Could lose job to: job elimination.

Or, one of these prospects: Kyle Clifford, Jordan Nolan.

Wildcard: Clifford. He's smaller than Westgarth, and much younger. But he's better. And he can score.

Verdict: Westgarth will get his shot. Murray has spoken.

Fourth-line "energy"/pest

It's his job to lose: nobody.

Could lose job to: Rich Clune.

Or, one of these prospects: Kyle Clifford

Wildcard: Murray might go with two skilled guys and an enforcer (e.g. Lewis/Richardson/Westgarth), rather than the more annoying Clune/Richardson/Westgarth. Clifford is a mega-wildcard in this slot, because, pest-wise, if Clune is a gnat, Clifford is one of those bugs from "Food of the Gods."

Verdict: Clune will get one of the press-box spots, and play 30-40 games.

Third-pairing defenseman

It's his job to lose: Davis Drewiske

Could lose job to: Alec Martinez

Or, one of these prospects: Thomas Hickey, Jake Muzzin, Johan Fransson

Wildcard: With Matt Greene hurt, the prospects have a cracked-open window to impress Kings brass and steal the spot from Drewiske. A great camp would earn one of those prospects a foot in the door. 

Verdict: Hickey or Muzzin will make the opening night roster, along with Drewiske, as the third pair. They'll have a month to battle it out, until Greene comes back.

The 2-3 press box seats

It's his job to lose: Peter Harrold, Kevin Westgarth, Rich Clune

Could lose job to: Alec Martinez, Trevor Lewis

Or, one of these prospects: [none; no prospects in the press box; they're in Manchester, getting ice-time]

Wildcard: Martinez and Lewis both have the healthy-scratch spot within their grasp, and they're both competing with the same guy, uber-utility knife Peter Harrold.

Verdict: Peter Harrold is a smart, fast defenseman who Murray converted to forward and somehow didn't suck. Like Richardson, he will go anywhere, no job too dirty, but unlike Richardson, he can play defense and forward and he's pretty good on the point on the power play, too. He's not great at anything, but he's good enough at everything to be irresistibly useful. Also, he's cheap and he's not waiver-exempt. So he's a habit that's hard to quit. 

#2 Goaltender

It's his job to lose: Erik Ersberg

Could lose job to: Jonathan Bernier

Or, one of these prospects: seriously?

Wildcard: injuries in camp. Bernier in 2009, now Ersberg in 2010 (but how serious, we don't know). All it takes is a tweak, and suddenly we're looking at an Ersberg/Bernier tandem with Quick on the IR, or choose your own unlikely combination. And, seriously, what if Ersberg gets into a regular season game, by some miracle. Can't you see him playing like Ken Dryden and clinging to the Kings net for dear life? Weirder things have happened.

Verdict: Ersberg has done some spectacular work here. And I really like him. I sort of feel about him the way I did about Manny Legace when he left the Kings. "Somebody is going to be very happy with this guy." He ended up with a ring, didn't he? I hope Erik ends up in Tampa or somewhere in the East where I can root for him.

Predictions

I predict the Kings are good now. Will they be able to top last season's 101 points? Here's a look at the Kings 90+ point finishes, and what they did the next year:

1975, 105 pts; 1976, 85 pts (-20)
1981, 99 pts; 1982, 63 pts (-36)
1989, 91 pts; 1990, 75 pts (-16)
1991, 102 pts; 1992, 84 pts (-18)
2000, 94 pts; 2001, 92 pts (-2)
2001, 92 pts; 2002, 95 pts (+3)
2002, 95 pts; 2003, 78 pts (-17)
2010, 101 pts; 2011, ??

That little string of Andy Murray teams (2000-2002) is the only time the Kings didn't plummet the year after a 90+ point season.

I think it's reasonable to expect the Kings to defy the trend and finish at least in the mid-to-high 90s. Still, it's more important to for the season to have a smoother arc, fewer peaks and valleys, and to have the proper surge of momentum leading into the playoffs. I would rather the Kings finish with 96 and be firing on all cylinders in April than to finish with 101 but burn out down the stretch, as they did last year.

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Big Enigmatic USSR-born Left Wing

Hee. All these categories are excellent. Great post.

Verdict: Hickey or Muzzin will make the opening night roster, along with Drewiske, as the third pair. They’ll have a month to battle it out, until Greene comes back.

Quick question for you — do you think it means anything at all that Hickey is with the B-team defense corps, while Muzzin and Fransson are with the regular roster players tonight? (Do I think too much about Hickey? Sorry. Yes.)

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 23, 2010 5:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I have a hunch that Hickey will make it

Rich Hammond seemed impressed with him last night: Basically, he always made the right play without any fuss.

Seriously, think about it: How many bottom-pair defensemen in the NHL truly fit that description, rookie or veteran?

Plus, I wouldn’t be surprised if Drewiskie goes to the press box after Greene comes back. Greene + Hickey means pairing Greene with a good puck-mover who makes good outlet passes.

by DougX on Sep 23, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

It did sound like it went well last night, so I was happy. But there’s only one spot, so he could be good and still not make it. He’s still very young, and he didn’t get as much AHL seasoning as they’d like.

I do think he will make the team at some point, though. Just not sure about this year. And in all honesty, that might be for the best. I’m just emotionally invested in him because he was so much fun to watch.

(I’m glad I’m not this attached to any of the other younguns, though. I think my heart would give out.)

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 23, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hickey or Muzzin is the coin flip, if you ask me.

But I don’t think Hickey will be hurt (psychologically) by spending a year in Manchester. He’s a grown-up. He’s a student of the game. He will thrive in Manchester and get called up, if that’s what it takes.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Sep 23, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it means they want to look at hickey on the power play and in a leadership role

which is hard to do when you have scuderi, doughty, johnson and mitchell as your top four. hickey has the ability to quarterback a shift, control the pace, all that stuff. he needs icetime to do that.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Sep 23, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like this idea. I will go with it.

I agree that there won’t be any problems sending Hickey back to the AHL (he has the perfect attitude, etc). I can think of plenty of logical reasons why that could be better. But that all keeps losing the war to the side of me that’s bouncing up and down and yelling “I wanna see him play! I wanna see him play!” over and over again.

…I’m silly.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 24, 2010 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great job, like the format of the "logic tree" per position.

The only thing I might add would be a potential trade category, but that could easily run on forever. Still, as you have said often, Ersberg is trade bait that could be paired with someone else in a trade to fill LW2. I think there is a strong possibility that Lombardi is waiting to see if any youngster is impressive enough to fit in on the 4th line, letting Richardson move up to fill the vacancy left by Ersberg’s trade partner.

For example, if Schenn goes beastly in camp and Williams goes with Ersberg in a trade, Richardson moves up to fill that spot, and Schenn takes C4.

I am hoping we don’t lose Stoll, or Richardson himself, but trading a RW ould expose the lack of depth there. Thinking with my heart, Kings win the Cup this year. Thinking with my head, we still need a top-quality LW and RW, to let Brown play his natural game and to have someone besides a soon-to-be 35 year old Ryan Smyth leading the offensive charge on the left.

End Corporate Personhood.

by Player-X on Sep 23, 2010 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Again with a Bill James reference

Quisp, your prediction does concern me, because you’re really citing that pesky ol’ ‘regression to the mean’ thing. It should not be surprising that Kings teams that improved one year backslid a little the next. James once pointed out that that’s very common in baseball, almost inevitable. That doesn’t mean you don’t make yet another leap forward the year after you backslide, but it is a bit of a shot of cold water in the face.

What gives me hope this year is that the natural progression of the young guys should push back against natural regression. I fully expect Quick to be more consistently good, Johnson to steady at a high level, and Simmonds’ offensive skills to develop further.

BTW, have you given any thought to reviving your goal-scoring prediction matrix? As I recall, your predictions last season (from when you were still doing Kings Kool-Aid) were pretty accurate, except maybe for Frolov.

by DougX on Sep 23, 2010 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I think I did the goal target thing already (yes, pretty sure I didn't dream that)

but I will revise it I think when the roster is finalized.

I am less worried about the Kings finishing 20 points lower than I am about the shoot-out randomness factor. There’s really no way to predict how much a team will be hurt or helped by the outcome of shootouts. There’s a differential of about 10-12 points, and it’s just arbitrary.

I think the likely result of Chicago getting worse (firesale), Detroit getting better (health plus Hudler — and Modano on the fourth line), San Jose getting older, etc. is that there will be an even bigger log-jam from 2-8. I feel like Vancouver will be excellent, and everyone else is going to be six points from 2nd seed, six points from 9th for most of the year. In that environment, add in the shootout wildcard, anything can happen.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Sep 23, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you hit the nail on the head

I would add as well that St. Louis should be better than last year as well perhaps even pushing for a playoff spot if they can play consistently. And if all the players on Calgary don’t underperfom like last year, they could threaten for a spot as well. Last year was a logjam once you past the top three in the West – with not very many points separting 4-7, and then a big group right below them as well. I expect it to be worse this year. The Kings could come as high as fourth if they play consistently, but could also slip as far back as 9th. Obviously hoping for the former. But you’re right those shootouts can be a killer.

by Hoolie on Sep 24, 2010 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let’s hope TM doesn’t stick to that one shootout list he makes during training camp for the whole season. Or let’s hope that Brown isn’t high on it.

Why didn’t he ever use Handzus more? Le sigh.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 24, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

NSH, PIT and PHX had excellent shoot-out records (8-4, 8-2, 14-6)

everyone else (more or less) hovered around .500, a couple games up, a couple games down. The Kings were 10-8. However, 10 wins is second in the entire league. This is neither good nor bad. But it is a little dangerous to go to shoot-out 18 times. You might get 10 points out of those games. You might get 5.

Incidentally:

playoff teams with better SO shooting % than the Kings: PIT, PHX, NJD, VAN, OTT.
non-playoff teams with better SO shooting % than the Kings: TOR, STL, NYI

Shooting % of NJD, PHX, LAK, PHI, CGY, NSH are all in a cluster slightly better than 1:3 (35-37%)

Yes, Brown needs to not be involved in shoot-outs. Kopitar, Johnson, Handzus. I would consider using Doughty, Parse, Moller and Loktionov or Hickey if they make it.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Sep 24, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lets hope Poni is good at shoot outs. If so, it makes us better than last season, since Frolov couldn’t score on a breakaway to save his life.

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Sep 24, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Olympic rules, please!

18 shootouts…wow. I had forgotten there were so many. IIRC the team had a pretty good record in preserving one-goal leads going into the third (until, in the playoffs, they didn’t). I wonder how many of those shootouts were due to us losing the lead? I don’t know where to go look that up.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 24, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frolov couldn’t score on a breakaway to save his life.

I think he did last night. And of course he rocks with Gaborik. Of course he does.

(cries)

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 24, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s one of the few times I would love for an ex-King to excel.

For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.

by Nut on Sep 24, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, this won’t hurt then.

I’m not going to deny it, I want him to thrive in NY too.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 24, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re wrong, it hurts so much.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Sep 24, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

The smile? I could almost keep it together, and then there’s the smile.
(AAAAAAAAGH)

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 24, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I see it now

I think you posted it while I was out of town and away from the Internet.

I’m shocked. Teh Intarwebz comes to a complete halt while I’m away from it, right? Nobody does or says anything interesting or important while my back is turned, right?

"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim

by DougX on Sep 24, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

We still lack speed up front

One of the two guys who seems to have it, spends a lot of time on the sidelines…

I’m rooting for Hickey, if only to benefit our PP… And I like Clifford to make the team, if only to replace Rich Clune…

"I still love my ex-wife, but only when we're not talking"

by angelofdeath on Sep 23, 2010 11:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Excellent analysis. Great post.

by superfan#99 on Sep 24, 2010 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I like your use of operational battle station.

by sstephen17 on Sep 24, 2010 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Really good analysis, especially Clifford over Westgarth.

I disagree on the following:

Fro disappeared too much to be a wash with Pondy. He drove me crazy and I think he didn’t sacrafice himself enough to be a threat down low. He played at 70 percent too much.

Why on earth do we rely on two guys who just cratered the last 20 games and playoffs: JW and Quick were severe disappointments and I can’t see how the conventional wisdom is that they will rebound to previous form (Williams first month and Quick before All-Star break). I’m terrified we will start badly because Quick will be mediocre at best and they will resist making Bernier the number one guy. Also, I think we should have picked up Heatley for the table scraps OTT was asking for. One character-issue guy will not bring down a team and the guy can score - especially 5 on 5- our greatest weakness that was exposed in Vancouver series.

Hickey HAS to be given a chance, especially since he can lead the power play.
I would also gamble that Schenn should be given a fourth line slot with the opportunity to move to LW on line 2 if he can handle it. He simply has more talent than anyone else.

So I would rely on Clifford, Hickkey, Schenn and Bernier to upgrade our team from last year.

Your thoughts, Quisp?

by carol vadnais on Sep 24, 2010 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, I'm having a problem and I just figured out what it is

All of my favorite prospects — Moller, Loktionov, Schenn, Clifford, Hickey, Muzzin, Bernier, even Clune — are still standing. The only guy that got sent down whom I personally have an extra special feeling for, is Nolan, and I never thought he would be ready.

So I’m put in the position of being ambivalent about guys whom, under normal circumstances, I actually like: Westgarth, Harrold, Richardson, Drewiske, Ersberg.

Meanwhile:

2013-14?

Toffoli-Kozun/Kopitar/Brown
Parse/Loktionov/Moller
Clifford/Schenn/Simmonds
Clune/Nolan/Westgarth
(Weal, Czarnik, Vey, Kitsyn)

Forbort/Doughty
Hickey/Johnson
Muzzin/Teubert
Gravel
(Voynov, Deslauriers)

Bernier-or-Quick (Zatkoff-or-Jones)

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Sep 25, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite game

That looks good, only thing I’d change is that I don’t think Johnson or Quick will be on the team by then. Probably not Parse or Westgarth, either.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Sep 25, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hickey/Teubert…?

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 27, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

re Williams, Quick, Heatley

Williams I think will earn his keep this year. He didn’t fade down the stretch; he came back too early from a broken leg.

Quick? Who knows. I am rooting for him. But he has not played well since February. He needs to change his own momentum. Just everyone saying “he’s fine” isn’t going to do it.

I don’t think Murray will stick with Quick if he is losing games. He’ll give him four games, Bernier will get one. Quick will get four more. Bernier will get one. If Quick is 3-5 to that point, and Bernier is 2-0, then maybe it starts being 3 quicks to 1 bernier. etc.

Heatley? I would take Heatley if we had given them Williams or something (Stoll maybe). But I don’t think Heatley was the answer.

I would absolutely use Schenn, Clifford and Hickey this year. I don’t know what Lombardi has in mind though. I will be irritated if instead of those three guys it’s Lewis, Richardson, Drewiske and Harrold.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Sep 25, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

With Quick, I think the thing to remember is that we’re really talking about a small sample size so far, given that he broke new ground for himself last season. I’m not blithely assuming that he’ll be fine. but I am saying that it’s still too soon to peg his long-term value.

I think Murray’s decision-making about who will start will go pretty much as you describe. It will be Quick’s job to lose at first, but if he shows signs of losing it, he’ll swap in Bernier without much hesitation. And how it goes from there depends on how both of them react.

It’s just impossible to read the course of the entire season from things that are said or done halfway through training camp. There’s no point in getting too worked up over them.

"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim

by DougX on Sep 25, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

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