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Secret Amendment to Article 1: "Shall" now means "might"

CBA - Article 26.13 (c)

In the event that the System Arbitrator finds that a Circumvention has been committed by a Club or a Club Actor, the Commissioner may impose any or all of the following penalties and/or remedies set forth below:

(i)    Impose a fine of up to $5 million in the case of a Circumvention by a Club or Club Actor, but in no circumstances shall such fine be less than $1 million against any Club or Club Actor if such party is found to have violated Article 50 of this Agreement. If such a fine is assessed against a Club (except in the case of a financial reporting violation), that Club's Payroll Room shall also be reduced by such amount.

And yet, here's the New York Post:

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NHL has window to penalize Devils for Kovalchuk signing - NYPOST.com
The NHL has been given Players Association approval until Sept. 17 to confiscate Devils draft picks and fine the team up to $3 million for its first signing of Ilya Kovalchuk, The Post has learned. The league, however, will not lower the Devils’ $59.4 million salary cap upper limit, one of the possible punishments for cap circumvention.

But see "shall" above. Am I to understand that the league and the NHLPA agreed to ignore that part of the CBA? Sounds like it:

[...] In agreeing early this morning with the league to amend the CBA in exchange for ratifying Kovalchuk’s 15-year, $100 million second contract with the Devils, the Players Association signed off on an agreement letter that grants the NHL the unilateral right to fine the Devils and confiscate picks. The PA agreed not to appeal the league’s decision.

Since the league, by virtue of the first arbitration, could already assess the Article 26 penalties at its own discretion without a peep from the NHLPA, I think it's interesting that the Post is characterizing this "agreement" as something the NHLPA is "granting." If the Post is correct, what the agreement does is limit what the league could already do, not grant new powers. Possibly the league had to agree -- in their negotiation -- to no cap hit penalty.

That makes sense, actually.

The NHL’s power to fine up to $5 million, confiscate picks and reduce cap space in cases of circumvention are listed in the CBA, but this agreement letter eliminates the need for the league to prove circumvention to the PA.

Especially since the league already proved circumvention. Remember that whole hearing thing? I know it seems like years ago (seriously).

[...] The letter gives NHL commissioner Gary Bettman sole discretion as to the size of the fine, and the number, placement and year of seized draft picks.

Brooks already said the fine can be up to $3MM. The CBA gives the league the right to fine up to $5MM.

[...A]gent Jay Grossman [is] excluded from punishment.

:(

Assuming the Post is accurate, it sounds like what happened is, in order to arrive at an agreement with the NHLPA, the league had to take certain penalties off the table. This is kind of remarkable, since that development mostly benefits the Devils, i.e. ownership, i.e. the league. At least, it used to be that Bettman was aligned with the owners and the NHLPA was on the side of the players. But given the way this thing played out, it's not surprising that the Summer of Kovalchuk has turned that upside-down.

  • The league agrees to approve the second Kovalchuk contract.
  • The league agrees not to assess cap penalties against the Devils for the first contract.
  • The league agrees to cap any cash fines at $3MM.
  • The league agrees not to discipline Grossman or Kovalchuk.
  • The league agrees to close its investigations into the other contracts.
  • The NHLPA agrees to amend the CBA language to (in theory) close everyone's favorite loop-hole.

I actually think that something punitive in Grossman's direction would have gone a long way toward curbing future unforeseen b.s.; but I never really expected it to happen, so I'm not especially disappointed. The cap penalty thing has a silver lining for the league, in the sense that they are now much more likely to levy a stiff fine; the CBA (which they have agreed to ignore) says the fine and penalty must be the same, and the result of that would likely have been no fine and no penalty (since a cap penalty would have been especially devastating to the Devils, given their already precarious cap position, and I think Bettman would have stopped short of that fairly nuclear option). The other investigations were only bargaining chips anyway, which Bettman just spent. And that leaves only the approval of the second contract, which (I believe) would have been approved in arbitration if the league rejected it.

So I guess the league didn't give up much of anything, and the union maybe saved the Devils a couple million, maybe saved one player from being traded away, and maybe made a handful of superstars (with contracts expiring next summer) slightly more expensive cap-wise for teams to sign.

And what about Kovalchuk? Well, for his part he had to give up...um...I forget...I guess that $5MM that got pushed to the end of the deal? Of course, that's not much of a sacrifice since he intends to play to the end of his contract. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't care about the money.

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Did the letter say anything about how Grossman and Lou are going to answer the anual certification?

Or if the NHL going to pretend that there wasn’t an article 26 violation with the first contract? Can’t imagine that the NHLPA lawyers forgot about this little procedure that must be delivered to the NHL and NHLPA by July 10th each year.

by Sydor25 on Sep 4, 2010 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank You, Quisp

For a very enjoyable summer of Kovy. It was great fun being able to participate and debate with you the nuances of the NHL CBA this summer. You did a great job of trying to explain the varous articles of the NHL/NHLPA CBA.

Thanks again for your work!

Go Kings GO!

by Sydor25 on Sep 4, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

You are, of course, assuming that's it for the summer of Kovy?

You can cry a million tears
You can wait a million years
If you think that time will change your ways
Don't wait too long

by Joe Hockey Fan on Sep 4, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen.

You can cry a million tears
You can wait a million years
If you think that time will change your ways
Don't wait too long

by Joe Hockey Fan on Sep 4, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually...I think it's still going

Because the Devils have to shed cap space now.

Quisp, I look forward to your analysis of that upcoming scenario.

by 88fingerslukee on Sep 4, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

This holiday season, be sure to pick up a Kovy gift pack.

The curse gift that never ends.

I’m still very glad the Kings didn’t sign him.

You can cry a million tears
You can wait a million years
If you think that time will change your ways
Don't wait too long

by Joe Hockey Fan on Sep 4, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

At first I was for the signing but with caution to the cap hit.

Now I’m kinda off of him entirely due to this entire mess. I can’t tell if it’s just the length of the saga or Kovalchuk himself that has turned me off but I’m just fine without him.

by 88fingerslukee on Sep 4, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. To me the whole saga just emphasizes what I thought about him all along. Great skill but there’s no “I” in team and all like that. I think he would have just brought the team down. Scored for sure but…

Just my opinion. I like the Kings the way they are. I like Lombardi’s patience and building. I understand Kings fans want more, want a winner, but which fans don’t?

Easy to say “patience”, I know, but what a future for this team. Wow!

You can cry a million tears
You can wait a million years
If you think that time will change your ways
Don't wait too long

by Joe Hockey Fan on Sep 4, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome to salary cap hell. Hope you enjoy your stay.

The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Sep 4, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, watch this pass

Marc R.

by devilssan2 on Sep 4, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey we might even dump our waste on you guys.
How does Dainus Zubrus and Bryce Salvador sound for you?

Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."

Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."

by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 5, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

We’re already getting the waste of In Lou We Trust over here, so no thanks.

The Spirit of MeatTrain'10!

by DodgerBlueBalls on Sep 5, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did Quisp help you get those “BlueBalls”?

Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."

Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."

by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 5, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

This guy reminds of a coffee cup cartoon

The one where the dog is getting yelled at, and one cell is “What you say- No Ginger, no, you are a bad dog Ginger, no Ginger, no.” The next cell is “What the dog Hears- ..Ginger, …Ginger…, Ginger.”
It’s hilarious to me, you post an analysis using deductive and inductive reasoning, and some clown comes in and unloads his truly insightful 4 words just to be a dick.
Blogs are like a box of chocolates…

End Corporate Personhood.

by Player-X on Sep 5, 2010 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Far Side

“blah blah Ginger blah blah”

the sequel was the same cartoon with a cat and the bubble that shows “what the cat hears” is empty.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Sep 5, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still glad we didn't sign Kovi

Just look at the roster of players Atlanta has landed since they no longer have to pay the money vacuum.

End Corporate Personhood.

by Player-X on Sep 5, 2010 7:00 AM PDT reply actions  

If the Kings had signed him his cap hit probably would have been around what it is for the Devils, or even less given the rumored offers.

by drhgzang on Sep 5, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

[sigh] $6.15 million=$80/13

For the lazy, Dean says 13 year deal at the 3:30 mark. At the 7:10 mark the interviewer says 13 year deal twice.

http://www.fan590.com/ondemand/media.jsp?content=20100720_141320_9540

I recommend listening to the whole interview.

by Sydor25 on Sep 5, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course, at that cap hit I wouldn't have minded signing him, but he was never truly available at those prices

I guess I meant I am glad we didn’t offer enough and end up paying enough for him to sign with us.
Still looking for that LW2, however…
And, dare we hope for Justin Williams to play a full season at top form? Just to have the guy in the lineup regularly seems like it would be a huge bonus, instead of the usual player where you expect him to be in every night.

End Corporate Personhood.

by Player-X on Sep 5, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

We’ll you’ll get to see on October 30th.

p.s. sucks you had to cover the devils and kovalchuck this summer because your camp did absolutely nothing.

Devil for Life

by st.pattysdaymassacre26 on Sep 5, 2010 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, nice post...

…except for the being wrong part.

End Corporate Personhood.

by Player-X on Sep 5, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

They had mancrushes on Kovalchuk, that’s why.

Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."

Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."

by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 6, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s funny because all you “Kings fans” were drooling over the Kovalchuk saga. Now he is a “drama queen” and should belong in the KHL. Seems to me that if you can’t have him, nobody can.

Mathew Barnaby to Lyle Odelein: "Cornelius, as we like to call him, gets under your skin. Planet of the Apes. Look at him. Seriously. He looks like Cornelious."

Odelein to Barnaby: "He should take a look at his wife. She's God-awful to look at."

by RolliePollieKovy on Sep 6, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You should really get into psychology. This is all very fascinating.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 6, 2010 3:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

... Go on, get it out of your systems:

… Hopefully we won’t hear any more of this insignifcant whining once the season starts. I think those of you who thought the Kings would EVER sign Kovalchuk simply just forgot which team you root for. The Kings don’t sign premier players; they haven’t for a long, long time. They dumpster-dive and jump on concussion cases.

by JT_Dutch on Sep 6, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya know, it is so weird that you say Kings fans on this site are whining cuz we didn’t get him, or Rollie says we were “drooling” over Kovi. Most, and I mean almost everyone, are glad we didn’t pay what was necessary to sign him. I guess if it sounds good, you say it, and if it feels good, you think it. Mostly, though, you just come off like an arrogant prick that uses interent bashing to stroke himself. Are you totally incapable of recognizing a discussion about changes to the CBA and what it might mean to the game? Is it so hard to imagine that we might just be theorizing about current news in our favorite sport? Maybe you can only see things from a simplistic, partisan view, but most of the contributors at this site are able to just talk about stuff without needing to be dicks to those that don’t completely agree with them.

End Corporate Personhood.

by Player-X on Sep 7, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

reminds me of when i was a kid and beatles fans and stones fans would argue about which band kicked the other band's musical ass.

It’s just so stupid. As if liking the “better” band made you better than someone who liked the not-better band.

Any idiot can be a fan of whatever team he or she wants. It doesn’t make their own actual dicks longer by association. (I crossed out the “or she” because in my experience female fans don’t have this problem.)

As far as New Jersey goes, I have almost always enjoyed watching them over the years, especially once Lamoriello was hired, and especially-especially after Brodeur. But objectively it’s obvious that Brodeur is a couple of years from retirement (as are Langenbrunner, Elias, Rolston, etc.) after which there’s no special reason to think that New Jersey with Kovalchuk will be any better than Atlanta with Kovalchuk. That and the fact that Lamoriello is not likely to stick with the team many more years and the ownership has changed since the last cup (in 2003), doesn’t make New Jersey a very good bet for continued success. No more so than any other aging team.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Sep 7, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed, arguing the subjective is kinda tribal... About New Jersey watching...

They were super strong, but I didn’t like the trap, probably because it was so effective. Brodeur is one of the greats, and his hybrid style mixes excellent fundamentals with a great glove and that “scramble” ability when it all goes nuts in the crease. Now, the personnel is as you say, and probably they won’t have the flexibility to add with the Kovalchuk money spent.

As far as the chicks with dicks thing, it is always a puzzle. Chicks can be dicks, without one, and they can have balls, too. Who says it’s a man’s world…

End Corporate Personhood.

by Player-X on Sep 7, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still trying to figure out if whining about whining is okay. I think it is, as long as you use pics.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 7, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

lolol

End Corporate Personhood.

by Player-X on Sep 7, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya know what I like the most about the whole thing?

Those guys will almost certainly remain free to come here and post. In Quisp’s world, Banning is just a town on the way to Palm Springs…

End Corporate Personhood.

by Player-X on Sep 7, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t mind the back and forth. It’s much better than having a fortress where you dish it out but can’t take it. They made it personal, so they shouldn’t be surprised when it remained so. But I don’t think it actually made poor Kovalchuk’s heart bleed when we made knock-knock jokes about him…though maybe we started to hurt the CBA’s feelings when we passed the 6,000 word mark.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 7, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

He shed a tear or two...

That’s why he got 100MM from New Jersey so he can use it to wipe away those tears (and wipe his ASS).

“Boo-hoo I feel sad. It’s a good thing that dumb-ass owner of New Jersey backed up the brinks truck. Now I feel better.(Tee-hee…what a sucker)”

by The Ram on Sep 7, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said ...

… get the whining and crying out of your system. It’ll all be OK. If you feel the need to write ironic posts like this to solidify your e-cred, that’s fine. Your and Quisp’s sad little insults toward me don’t really matter much, and the “theorizing” done here only serves to make some Kings’ fans look really silly. Have fun with it, though.

by JT_Dutch on Sep 10, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if you have any idea how funny this makes you look.

I have to say, though, if it irritated you that much, our time here hasn’t been wasted.

In Dinglebarn We Trust

by Niesy on Sep 14, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Sep 6, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Prime example of why I call him Kovadonnachuk

btw Quisp, were did you find that picture? It’s trully priceless.

by The Ram on Sep 7, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Secret amendment to the Kovalchuk deal

I still think that the league has to fine the Devils something, and take a few draft picks away, or risk looking like they are playing favorites. If the fine could only go to $5million, that’s meaningless to the organization anyway, but the draft picks, that could actually hurt.

Drop the puck, drop the mitts...Now that's hockey!

by baldhedjer on Sep 5, 2010 9:16 PM PDT reply actions  

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