Willie Mitchell: Marxist mule-killer?
Here's an interesting article from The Province -- which I'm pretty sure is a newspaper in Vancouver -- written by someone named Tim Tony Gallagher, on the topic of ex-Canuck now-King Willie Mitchell.
The Province: Some of the big stars don't earn enough money
[...I]t seems [Willie Mitchell]'s had another blow to the head, what with the quote he gave our Jim Jamieson on Thursday upon the news of the ultimatum the league gave the Players Association on the Ilya Kovalchuk and Roberto Luongo contracts now thankfully settled [sic]. Quoth Mitchell: "We have a big gap in our union where you have the star player and the blue-collar player. All those top-end guys are getting paid more and more and the bottom-end guys are getting less and less. Maybe if we come to something more level, it might help the rest of our union."
That's perfectly sensible. [MORE AFTER JUMP]
Now we know what he was driving at but the question is, when did Mitchell become a socialist [...]
I understand that's supposed to be insulting, calling him a socialist. But I'm not sure what the Gallagher's point is. Mitchell is saying, extreme income disparity is not good for the union. I would add, it's not necessarily good for a team, either. Or, the league. Who thinks otherwise?
[...] and when did he start quaffing the Bettman Kool-Aid.
But. You just said "socialist." Now, he's pro-management?
No wonder the owners are in such great shape if this is the quality of understanding of the CBA at the player-rep level.
How about this then: the CBA has this thing called a salary cap. I happen to like the salary cap (I guess I drank the Bettman Kool-Aid, too), because I like that it stops teams from Yankeeing themselves a Stanley Cup team, and I like that it rewards smart GMs who can plan long-term and punishes the ones who aren't and can't.
A major effect of the salary cap, though, is that if the biggest salaries get too big, GMs are required to squeeze out mid-level salaries in favor of younger cheaper players on ELCs. This is the effect Mitchell is talking about. It's called unemployment.
The reality is no one group of players is held back more than the top-level superstars in this league.
So, so true. Wait. What?
For starters, it's mandated that no player can make more than 20 per cent of a team's payroll [...]
I'm getting out a pencil. Ready. The first thing holding them back: they are prevented from making more than $11.8MM per year. Check.
[...] and then, far more effectively beyond that,
Don't know what that means.
[...] they are constantly reminded that every extra dollar they take from the team comes out of the pocket of a teammate.
Got it. The second thing holding them back: their feelings get hurt when they are reminded how the CBA works. I doubt they actually are "constantly reminded," but if they are I doubt it bothers them very much. Even if they were crying themselves to sleep at night (which is a funny thought) it would still be true that:
- The CBA requires that the total payments to all players in a given season is fixed, and it is tied to revenues.
- What this means is, there is a set amount of money (each season) for the players, which depends on how the league is doing as a whole.
- If a bunch of big salaries push the players' total over the calculated "players' share," then everyone has to give back a percentage of his salary. Last year, it was 11% that everyone gave back.
- This is mostly due to fluctuations in revenue causing the "pie" to shrink. But part of it is due to little things like a superstar's front-loaded cap hit being millions of dollars lower than his salary. I went over this in excruciating detail here. But the bottom line is that the discrepancy between cap hit and salary is paid for by the rest of the players in the league, in the form of escrow.
The more they take, the less likely they are to win, they're told.
The way that works, though, is that some GMs are willing to pay salaries that are exorbitant to the point of being self-destructive, and some (like Dean Lombardi) are not. The superstar will find his money one way or another, and he's going to do that on a team that embraces the imbalance, because sooner or later, they have no choice.
This year Sidney Crosby, Evgeny Malkin and Alex Ovechkin -- whose agents should be dismissed on the spot and their commissions returned to the player -- will all be paid $9 million exactly. These poor goofs signed long-term contracts before the alleged 'loophole' deal was conceived and now both Kovalchuk and Luongo will make more than these three superstars of the league.
Right. The third thing holding back superstar players is...other superstar players and their crazy contracts. If there happens to be a parallel universe where that's not stupid, it would only help Mitchell's point and -- well, I don't know what it does to Gallagher's point, because I don't know what it is yet.
And they're all locked in longer than Willie Pickton.
I had to look it up. Willie Pickton is a Canadian pig-farmer and serial killer currently serving a life sentence in a Canadian penitentiary. So you see, just as Willie Pickton murdered close to fifty women and apparently fed them to his pigs and is now in jail for the rest of his life, so too are Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin locked into the "prisons" of their pathetic contracts that insist on guaranteeing them several million dollars a year for the next several years. And there's no escape!
Sure that's a lot of money, but compared to what they do and what they bring in for their respective franchises, it's a blatant financial injustice.
I understand. Superstars should get even more money than they get, because they're, well, super. That's essentially an argument for abolishing the salary cap, or, alternatively, for lowering everyone else's salaries to channel that money to Ovechkin et al. Or (in reality) both. Which was Mitchell's point.
Are you telling me Ovechkin couldn't get at least $15 million a year if he became a free agent if there was a strong Association and there was no salary cap in place? You can't imagine the bidding war for this guy. [sic]
Yes, he could get more money. He could get even more money in the KHL. There are lots of ways for him to make more money. Like, winning a cup for example. Like, endorsements. Like, moving to Florida or Texas or Arizona, where there are no state taxes. I personally find it hard to conceive of what the difference between $9.5MM and $15MM is to Alexander Ovechkin. Either amount, wisely invested, should allow him to live in boundless luxury for the next hundred or so years. And either amount, poorly invested (and this happens more often than not; see Fedorov) won't be enough.
Yet here he is stuck to this plow horse of a contract and taking shots from Mitchell in the bargain.
At this point, I start wondering if this article is satire. Crosby et al have gotten out of jail and are now plowing fields like farm animals. Farm animals which Willie Mitchell is shooting at from an undisclosed location. Willie Mitchell is mean in this story.
In the case of Crosby and Malkin, without a salary cap they almost certainly would have split. The Pens most likely would have paid top dollar for Crosby, which would have been as high or perhaps even a tad higher than Ovechkin. Malkin, who came up a year later, would almost certainly have been forced to play out his option or, more likely, sit out and force a trade because under the old CBA terms he wouldn't have been a free agent as quickly.
But. That's good, right? The team was able to keep them both. Score one for the CBA. I love that Malkin "would almost certainly" do x, yet it's "even more likely" that he would have done y. Let me see...even more likely than almost certainly is, I guess, certainly, which means that almost certainly is actually not even possible. Yeah, that sounds about right.
But upon forcing the trade much the way Pavel Bure did, his new team would have been paying the tariff. You tell me. How much would Sidney Crosby be worth to the Vancouver Canucks franchise?
A HA!
Now I get it. Willie Mitchell is an idiot because the salary cap sucks because it keeps Vancouver from signing Sidney Crosby. Even though...you already said that if there were no cap, the Penguins would still have signed him.
[...] Hell, they're cheerfully paying Luongo $10 million. How exactly did Pat Brisson sell Crosby on what service he would provide? Imagine the quotes. "I'm going to get you about 60 per cent of what you're actually worth, but I will get you maybe a hundred grand more than this other guy will get you!" What kind of sales pitch is that?
Well, it's one that you just pulled out of your ass. I think Crosby and his agent probably discussed being well-paid to stay in Pittsburgh so he could win a cup. Which is what happened.
[...] The truly great players don't need agents any more. They just need to wrestle with their conscience [sic] and tell the GM exactly what they want or they'll become free agents.
So, in a few short paragraphs, the guy has come out against the union, agents, the league, players who aren't superstars, and (for some reason) Willie "cow sniper" Mitchell.
But he's pro-superstar. Apparently they will be negotiating, writing and vetting their own contracts, with their parents' help. Yeah, that will work out just fine.
Why pay some agent who can't do a thing for you unless it's off ice.
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And hockey agents traditionally aren't the best at landing those deals.
But you said the cap was the problem. How can the agents "land those deals" if the cap and Willie Mitchell prohibit it?
And because of this overall team cap, big stars on teams that have a bigger star players [sic] -- like Nicklas Backstrom, Mike Green and Alexander Semin for example -- are being paid much less because of the one big salary that is already taking up a huge percentage.
So, you might even say, "We have a big gap in our union where you have the star player and the blue-collar player. All those top-end guys are getting paid more and more and the bottom-end guys are getting less and less. Maybe if we come to something more level, it might help the rest of our union." Wait, who said that?
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Back on my Bill James mule
One of James’ theses that has always stuck in my mind is the fact that free agency and salary floors keyed to length of service in baseball had the effect of creating gross salary disparity for reasons very similar to what you say, as well as what Mitchell say. Even in sports where there is no salary cap, team budgets are finite. Even the Yankees and the Red Sox have finite budgets; the inequality lies in their position relative to the other MLB teams.
Basically, 25 years ago, James pointed out that the big losers in the current system were the journeyman veterans. Because once they got leverage through free agency, the superstars were always going to get their mega-contracts. But the mid-level veterans were screwed, because younger, cheaper players could do the same job about as well — or well enough to make them more cost-effective.
Nothing Mitchell is quoted as saying here should be controversial. But what we have here is some moron Vancouver writer whose entire idea of sportswriting appears to be giving sloppy, deep kisses to superstar players (kind of like the mindset of those Kings fans who wanted to sign Kovalchuk at any price, I might add). What I find most discouraging is that when Kukla’s Corner picked up this piece of drivel, neither Paul nor most of the commenters understood that Mitchell was just stating the obvious, and they proceeded to hammer on him.
Three words:
Provincial Capitalist Yahoo.
The only good contract—in the author’s world—is the maximum contract obtainable in a totally unregulated free market.
And Quispie is right—Since he is a Vancouver homer, he must be anti Willie Mitchell, the often concussed ex-Canuck.
So he is pro-Yankification (another new word), pro-free markets, pro-Player Agents, pro-Canucks, anti-Willie Mitchell. Let’s remember the pro-Player Agents part; he’s likely to be one of those ‘anonymous source’ guys good at spreading rumors about potential trades and signings benefiting a super player contract…
But Capitalist in a pro-Labor way
Because it would help Big Capital — i.e., the owners — to limit how much money Kovalchuk could wring out of them.
And that’s a perfect example of why applying the adversarial Industrial Era model of labor-management relations is so screwy. Mercenary professional athletes are not the same as assembly line workers or minimally skilled coal miners, who are pretty much interchangeable and therefore (so the theory goes) need to protect themselves by banding together.
Is it not completely screwed up when a labor union perpetuates a system in which a small number of workers — i.e., the superstars like Kovalchuk, Crosby, Ovechkin, etc. — can write their own ticket, while a much larger majority — the journeyman players — are left hanging in the wind year after year because it makes too much sense to replace them with younger, cheaper players? You have a system in which the majority of NHL players are told to support a union that acts like it doesn’t have their best interests at heart just because group solidarity = good, but anything else = being a screw of the owners. They’re at a disadvantage under the current system, which makes it expensive to keep re-hiring them, and their own union is good with that.
Well, maybe it’s not so much, in that it resembles a medieval trade guild rather than a modern labor union. But don’t call it a labor union, and don’t pretend that you’re taking collective action to protect all players regardless of age or skill level. Admit that you’re trying to make the world safe for your elite members to act like greedy shitheads, if that’s what they want.
The only thing better than reading a Gallagher column in The Province is the comments section which follows, where everybody bashes him.
The fact that this guy is getting paid to write might in itself be a good argument against capitalism. We should get those socialists and fascists on it; those groups have traditionally worked well together!
In Dinglebarn We Trust
Why pay some agent who can’t do a thing for you unless it’s off ice.
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And hockey agents traditionally aren’t the best at landing those deals.
But you said the cap was the problem. How can the agents “land those deals” if the cap and Willie Mitchell prohibit it?
I think what he means here is that the agents can’t help negotiate a higher contract with a team due to salary cap constraints so there only use it helping to land you endorsement deals which they aren’t even good at doing. He didn’t make it very clear but I think that’s what he was trying to say
I wonder if Gallagher is any relations to the comic Gallagher

“The new Sledge O’ matic can even correct CBA contracts”
Off Topic Alert
i vaguely remember reading something last year about NHL players having to pay extra tax in i think Tennessee and some players actually lose money. I can’t find anything about that, can i get some help or since Quisp is the numbers guy, maybe you can write something up.
That was literally the most nonsensical article i’ve read this year.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
agreed
great right up Quisp
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Sep 7, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It's actually Tony Gallagher...
…and he’s a decent columnist. He is a tad conservative politically and it shows in his writing. This column is pretty ridiculous. It makes not much sense at all. Methinks Tony was smoking something funny.
Oh, really? Maybe I’m getting him confused with another writer for The Province. The paper was delivered to my hotel room after Game 2 and the whole “too many men” business, and there was an article that launched a cascade of conspiracy theories. Mostly in “rhetorical question” form, but still, it was a delight.
In Dinglebarn We Trust
That might have been him too.
To be honest, I stopped reading the Province (and the rest of Vancouver’s newspapers) when I left for college and never started up again when I moved back. I blame the internet and not being a Canucks fan for that.
Tony used to be pretty sane when I was in high school but maybe he’s gone nuts. He is pretty vitriolic when he’s on the radio up here, so I’m not defending him by any means. I will say this: Vancouver sportswriters are starved for shit to talk about it. It’s Canucks Canucks Canucks all freaking day long except for the 5 minutes they talk about our CFL team (yeah, I know). It’s not beyond any of the writers to write crazy, rhetorical, conspiracy theory articles.
by 88fingerslukee on Sep 7, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I could find it now…nothing came up in a brief skim of the archives. I should have clipped it. It was pre-Skate-Gate, too. But Bettman loooooooves us because we’re a Sun Belt team and he needs us to succeed (somehow equating us with the Coyotes, even though our club has been around longer than the Nucks and isn’t in any financial trouble at all).
It was fun to be immersed in a city that loves hockey, though. It’s on every news channel, in every paper, in every freebie rag, even on the signs on the bus. Half of the conversations you overhear in any given place are likely to be about the playoffs. That is pretty awesome.
In Dinglebarn We Trust
Wow, I wish LA was like that...
It must have been amazing to be in Vancouver and see the first set of game(s)!
Lucky. :-)
I have to admit that even though a small rivalry was created during last year’s first round series, I don’t have the same fiery dislike/hate for the Nucks like I do with the Sharks or the Ducks. I hated the Canucks when the likes of Courtnall, Hunter, Odjick, Bure, Linden etc. roamed the Sound.
I actually believe the Canucks will come out of the West and win the cup. They looked mighty scary last year and if the head case in goal stays on his meds, I think they win it all next year. Just a gut feeling, who knows…
Meh.
It gets old. I long for a second major sports franchise…I’ll even take the Grizzlies back.
by 88fingerslukee on Sep 7, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
So maybe he's a victim of the Skip Bayless effect?
That is, you start out as a pretty decent writer, but once you get into broadcast media you start saying all kinds of garbage because that’s what gets you attention?
Good Lord. I am from Vancouver. For many years. The last thing I will do is defend Tony Gallager.
But really Quisp. and I mean this in the nicest way…if you don’t like or get that sense of humour, or even the point, parsing every word is kind of nonsensical. It doesn’t hold the same gravitas as the “point/counterpoint” thing does when dissecting various factual reports.
It seemed to work with the whole Kovy thing, and I read that with great interest, as you provided an interesting and unique look at it.
But that same MO just doesn’t work with a columnist’s story. One, its an opinion piece, not a factual piece. What he meant ( and 88 got it right, he didn’t say it right ) is that the superstar’s are restricted by the CBA from making too big a piece of the pie, so there is not much difference to negotiate. They just need agencies to handle their endorsements.
Two, Tony was writing for a Vancouver audience, with a pretty apparent tongue in cheek. This marketplace is nuts for any and all stories on the team, and Willie was/is always outspoken. Its not the first time he was quoted saying something original about the goings on in the league. He was in no way seriously calling Willie a commie bastard and asking him to name other names! ;-)
If you want, you can dissect any words and make your point. Politicians do it all the time. You even made some good points Q-man. But your sense of disdain kind of ruins the affect this time.
Now, please don’t kill me for it. Just a different opinion. I’m not trying to even take you to task…at all. Its just that they are only opinions. Some are not even good ones.
Much like Tony. Here in Vancouver….we are used to his eccentricities. He used to be better. Sometimes he still gets it right. I guess sometimes that applies here. Or maybe the tactic just works better sometimes more than others.
He is just a columnist. Read Jason Botchford from the same paper for facts. He’s good.
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(In Wasilla) When I ask about Palin, though, a palpable unease creeps in. Some people clam up. Others whisper invitations to call later—but on this number, not that one, and not before this hour or after that one. So many people answer "Off the record?"
I have a slightly different take on it, however.
My feeling is, writers — whether they write for newspapers with readerships in the 100,000s or millions or small blogs with readerships in the hundreds — have an obligation to be accurate. This particular column, which deals with topics I pay a lot of attention to, is more interested in confirming its own bias. This would not be a problem if he was only preaching to the choir, as may have historically been the case for this guy, since he apparently is a Vancouver guy writing for a Vancouver market. However, in 2010, everything is available to everyone everywhere. I did not read this article because I seek out Vancouver newspapers, but because Google Alert delivers news, posts and columns on several specific topics of interest to me, of which Willie Mitchell is one, and the salary cap is another.
Respectfully, I’m not convinced by the defense that “he’s writing […] with a pretty apparent tongue in cheek.” For two reasons: (1) he’s expressing opinions I don’t agree with regarding facts he’s got wrong, and millions of people are reading it and maybe even believing it; (2) it’s not tongue-in-cheek, unless I don’t understand the phrase, which to me means “meant ironically, not to be taken seriously because he doesn’t mean it.” He’s not making an ironic argument that the millionaire-superstars are the put-upon victims here. He’s really saying that. (although I did say in my response that I considered the possibility that this was all a big put-on.) He’s just using cutesy sports-columnist speak to express it.
He’s entitled to his opinion (which reaches millions of people), and I’m entitled to my reaction to his opinion, which reaches — on a good day — a couple thousand. My guess is that I’m not the only one who had the reaction I had. Blogs are just a way to make that concrete.
I understand what you’re saying about parsing each sentence. But that’s kind of an illusion, since I am only responding to the sentences that I choose to quote. I didn’t reprint the whole story (I’m not allowed to — excerpts and quotes are the standard). I’m just specifically reacting to what I reacted to and leaving the rest out.
For better or worse, that is how I handle posts that deal with my own adverse reactions to MSM (or blog) stories. I quote the offensive part and respond. This is not something that just started with Kovalchuk. It was the very reason for starting to blog in the first place. To react to what people were saying.
And, actually, I don’t see the Gallagher column as different than the Kovalchuk stuff. He’s talking about the same issues, in fact, and being stupid about them. The disdain you get from my reaction is not some kind of default setting for me, it’s reserved for people (almost always people with some degree of power — which is to say: an audience) who say dumb and/or insulting things on topics that matter to me.
Wait till this year.
Fair enough. Tony is not a Vancouver writer, except that he is. By that I mean he is by no means a homer. Most long term Canuck fans will tell you he used to be pretty good. He is an opinionated ass sometimes, but his is OUR ass, you know.
So, I think when it comes to columnists, like the many that write and are consumed in the States, from Mariotti to Plashke, Woody Paige and all the others that seem to find time to go on ESPN as well…
They usually have a grain of fact, and they are reporters in the sense that they interview and report that interview in their columns, but not always. Sometimes they say their opinions.
That is a little different than when they Kovy thing just posits one outlook on the story from another, with you doing your thing in there. Factual statements are easier to parse…thats all I meant there.
I share your disdain for the MSM sometimes too. I always view media as best taken with a grain of salt. I always refer to the analogy of threshing grain…throwing it up in the air like they did in olden days with big screens, letting the dross fly away in the wind and having the kernels remain.
We have one hear in Vancouver that writes for the Sun, Brad Zeimer. He must be angling for a columnist position or just getting bored, because his comments and stories on the team grow increasingly strident and just plain stupid to rational fans. I challenged him, and even had an email exchange with his editor.
The main gist of his defense was that “Brad is a writer with many years of experience…blah blah blah.”..then…."the stories he writes for “Puckworld”, their “blog” are in an avenue we give our writers to let people know “what they are hearing”.
Except that the “stories” turned out to be all wrong, and just more bullshit ( about our Cody Hodgson and other stories…)…and except for the fact that they also print these suppositions in the paper as well as online. Except for the fact the “Puckworld” is never once marketed or explained as what he called it. Just another banner on the team, where some less enlightened fans will load up on more bull to spew and sound stupid about.
So, I get it…but just think Tony says stupid things sometimes because he is a curmedgeon.
Here’s today’s, a better example of what he can write…and there are a few stupidities in it too ( the Depends comment is nonsensical and besides the point…but humour is a funny thing…)
Peace
Hunter S. Thompson
America... just a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable.
Gotta disagree with @vancitydan
@Quisp,
You’ve written a lot of great pieces in the months I’ve followed JFTC. This post, however, is without a doubt my favorite.
I had to look it up. Willie Pickton is a Canadian pig-farmer and serial killer currently serving a life sentence in a Canadian penitentiary. So you see, just as Willie Pickton murdered close to fifty women and apparently fed them to his pigs and is now in jail for the rest of his life, so too are Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin locked into the “prisons” of their pathetic contracts that insist on guaranteeing them several million dollars a year for the next several years. And there’s no escape!
Brilliant.
If I were a blog critic, my review would simply read: “Hilarious. A thoroughly enjoyable read from start to finish!” – Doughty 99
Great post Quisp. This is your best yet. Quality stuff.
by Irish Pat on Sep 7, 2010 4:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I haven't fully explored it yet, but
There has to be some incredible irony riff about Gallagher decrying a Canadian’s socialist views while lauding praise on Communists (Kovi and Ovi) for being successful at Capitalism.
I try to go further with it but my head begins to ache and I am reminded of Unk in The Sirens of Titan, by Vonnegut, where he has an implant that makes pain when he tries to force memories out from behind a brainwashing…
Line up for marching and cue the snare drums:
Rented a tent, a tent, a tent
Rented a tent, a tent
End Corporate Personhood.
Funny enough, I’m just writing an article about why deals like Kovalchuk’s are bad for the rank-and-file, so this is great timing.
Disappointed there’s no photoshops of Mitchell wearing a “CCCP” jersey. Or posing in front of a Soviet flag. It would be apropos.
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Fun fact
Pickton is from my neighbourhood. His farm is ten minutes away from where I am right now (my house). Port Coquitlam FTW!
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Sep 8, 2010 3:00 PM PDT reply actions
The issue here is a divide...
… between the traditional hockey columnist and the new realities of the game. Most hockey journalists couldn’t figure out escrow percentages or cap management if you spotted them a CFA. It’s just not something they’re equipped to deal with, something that also comes across whenever they try to discuss statistics in any meaningful way (not that I think new-era stats are tremendously relevant to hockey, but a large enough sample size and I’ll at least acknowledge their existence).
Mitchell actually understands the way the system works, which puts him ahead of several players that I’ve heard. But even if the piece was supposed to be satirical – which I’m kind of doubting – the best satire is based in fact, not fiction.
Pro Sports
or any other “talent” based market is not something that functions according to the rules of some sort of socialist structure no matter how you slice it.
The players perceived to be the “best” will always get the lions share of the cash because teams will work way harder to snap them up for marketing/winning purposes. Unfortunately there is a large enough market out there for mid-range talent that the cost of their labor is depressed… the demand isn’t high enough to force salaries higher. You only have 30 or so players in the NHL that can garner you over 70 points in a season regularly. That isn’t very many, and they’ll be a highly sought after commodity.
On the other hand, 40-50 point players are far more common, and D Men that play 20-25 minutes per game but only pick up 15-20 points a season are also a dime a dozen. These guys are going to get squeezed because they’re EASILY REPLACED. This is not illogical.
What Mitchell is arguing for is higher job security… but frankly that isn’t something that is OWED mid-tier players. The NHLPAs role is not to protect jobs, otherwise they’d work harder at ensuring veteran players always had contracts… which is virtually impossible under the current system.
Market restrictions don’t really hurt any single player more than any other in a meaningful fashion. If Willie Mitchell wants more money, then he could go out and earn it by playing at a higher level… unfortunately this is unlikely, and he isn’t going to get more money… this isn’t really the fault of the guys at the top of the food chain, or the fault of ownership, it’s just a fundamental economic reality.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
The logical outcome of all of this is
Players will spread to other leagues where they can make more money for their mid-tier services. Eventually the level of play in other leagues (largely European) will rise as more mid-tier talent plays in them. The distinctions between these other leagues and the NHL will decrease, and eventually you’ll end up with more of a global market like you see in Soccer. The teams willing to pay the most and ensure the largest amount of endorsement/market reach will win out on the superstar argument, and the rest of the world will slowly improve it’s level of play.
Nobody is saying this will happen instantaneously, but there’s no reason to assume it won’t continue as it has for the past 30 years. European leagues are improving consistently, and overall, the disparity in play is shrinking as the games become more similar from league to league.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Sep 8, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
While you'd think that would be the case...
… what’s happening in Europe right now seems to belie that. With the obvious KHL exception (which may be an unsustainable league in and of itself), European players generally aren’t wanting to play in Sweden / Finland / the Czech Republic / Germany / Switzerland because the prestige levels are that much lower.
It works in soccer because player supply is so great that the 60 – 80 teams in the big leagues (EPL, Serie A, etc.) can’t hope to absorb all of the supply, so there’s naturally more ebbs and flows. But for the most part, the NHL and its subsidiary leagues is capable of absorbing the talent generated by amateur leagues, therefore reducing overall interleague movement.
Oh, I think you're right.
The mid-tier players are not owed a place at the table. And in general I actually prefer a system that favors younger players. As a fan, I get tired of (to pick a name) Kyle Calder. It’s not fair and it’s nothing against him per se. I just am more engaged with the season if there is the possibility of someone new bursting on the scene.
Yes, part of what Mitchell is talking about is a value judgment, that the mid-tier players are being unfairly squeezed out. The “unfairly” part I take with a grain of salt, because I take it as a bone he’s throwing his peers who are finding it hard to land somewhere.
If I thought that better players were being turned away in favor of worse, cheaper prospects — that would be not only unfair but bad business. But I seriously doubt that any GM is saying, well, we would be a better team with veteran x at $1MM, but we’re going to go with prospect y who only makes $500K. Especially since, in those situations, the prospect that is likely to beat out the other prospects may well have a salary that’s higher than the cheap cagey old vets, who are frequently signing for $500K these days.
Now, if the vet refuses to lower his price, then he’s pricing himself out of the market, and the unfairness goes away. That’s his problem.
To be clear: I don’t think GMs and coaches are skipping over better players in favor of cheaper ones, or promoting cheaper prospects over the more expensive blue-chip ones, in order to save cap space.
And I don’t think Mitchell is slamming the guys at the top of the food chain, as much as he’s pointing out that the action of giving out those contracts (on the part of GMs) has a real effect on everyone else. It’s not simply “let’s all just get as much money as we can.” It’s the union that has been pushing that line for a long time. Mitchell is at least in part saying that driving up salaries is not a universal good.
Wait till this year.
Gallagher’s craziness:
How exactly did Pat Brisson sell Crosby on what service he would provide? Imagine the quotes. “I’m going to get you about 60 per cent of what you’re actually worth, but I will get you maybe a hundred grand more than this other guy will get you!” What kind of sales pitch is that?
Sound response:
Well, it’s one that you just pulled out of your ass. I think Crosby and his agent probably discussed being well-paid to stay in Pittsburgh so he could win a cup. Which is what happened.
Yeah, your analysis is about right. The Penguins basically handed Crosby a blank contract and said “you fill in the years, you fill in the salary”, because, well it’s Sidney Crosby. I think the max was about $10.5 million or so the season when he signed it.
He wanted to leave a little room for the team, if Crosby wanted $10 million per year, he would have gotten from Pittsburgh (duh). They initially were going to sign it for $8.5 million, but that’s so close that he thought ‘hey I got a good thing going with this 87 thing, let’s make it $8.7 million a year’. Pens obviously agreed and it’s a deal.
"Game's the same. Just got more fierce."
And his thoughts on Ovechkin were right too. If Ovechkin wanted more money he would break his contract and go the KHL to be paid 30+ mil a year to play and get away with it.
I don’t get whats with beat writers attacking players who have made legitimate contracts. As a fan of many sports the 1 thing I hate seeing is players being selfish and going for big money. Lack of loyalty. Johnny Damon comes to mind here. After winning the World Series with Boston he goes on a talk show, i think Regis and Kelly, and says “even though my contract is over, I’d never go to the yankees” and where did he play immediately after Bos? And why? Because they gave him the most money.
These new contracts are ridiculous and come across as players thinking they are above the rules. Kovy may say he wants to be on a team that can win, but his actions say otherwise. Why not sign with the Kings for 6 mil a year legitimately. Id take the Kings over the Devils in short-term and long-term success. He doesn’t want to win he wants to get paid, and thats exactly what he’ll get.
Bruce Boudreau when asked about Brooks Laich's return to the lineup, he said: "He just adds another dimension to our team. If it was puzzle, he just fits that thing. He completes us."
Brooks Laich completing everything from teams to tires and everything in between.
This year Sidney Crosby, Evgeny Malkin and Alex Ovechkin — whose agents should be dismissed on the spot and their commissions returned to the player …
I wonder if Ovechkin has done this already. I can see what happend… Ovie goes into the bathroom to shave (well, ok, look at the razor and skip using it for a week or two) and then looks in the mirror and says “You’re fired!”.
Alex Ovechkin acted as his own agent and got a 13 year deal that will pay him $124M until 2021. Ya know, I don’t think he’ll be hurting for cash anytime soon.
What a loon Gallagher is… and the comedian is kinda funny too.
Washington Capitals 2009-10 = Quebec Nordiques 1994-95
--- D'ohboy
Wow. That's just terrible.
I don’t know how this author can possibly see the rationality behind what he’s written. Awful, awful.
by Peter Raaymakers on Sep 10, 2010 3:21 PM PDT reply actions













