All-Time All-Kings All-Stars All-Mock Draft
by Quisp on Jan 29, 2011 10:38 AM PST
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In honor of this weekend's new All-Star game format, the preceding mock draft on NHL Network, I thought it would be fun to have a mock draft of our own. As this is a Kings site, we will limit it to Kings players. Namely, every player who ever played for the Kings in the history of the franchise.
Three mock GMs, me (Quisp), RudyKelly and Niesy (although I haven't heard from her yet so maybe she won't do it, I don't know) will each select 13 forwards, 7 defensemen and 2 goalies from the all-time roster (one game NHL experience minimum). We'll use hockeydb as our master list. Selections will be made in the comments section. The result will be three Kings All-Star rosters, Team Quisp, Team Rudy, Team Niesy. Then maybe I'll have my seven year-old create NHL 11 custom players for all the "old-timers" and we'll play a round-robin tournament with the current (simulated) actual Kings. Or maybe that last step is too much.
(Maybe if Niesy doesn't surface from the real world in a timely manner we'll just do two teams, or we'll let the comments section pick the third team. I don't know.)
How should we decide who picks first? I don't know. I'm making this up as I go along. Okay, it doesn't seem fair for me to pick first, since it's my idea. Niesy is MIA. So Rudy picks first. No time limit, just the pressure of knowing the whole enterprise could crumble at any minute if we don't pick quickly.
Rudy, you're up.
[UPDATE: I think I'll add a fourth team -- TEAM RANDOM -- which I will select using a randomly generated counting number]
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no niesy yet, so I'll go. Team Quisp, with the second pick, selects
Rogie Vachon.
Niesy is up. We’ll give her an hour or so. She probably has a life.
Wait till this year.
sounds like fun
it’s an all star roster and the Kings? i’d be going for firepower all the way if i was picking and other than maybe the Oilers or Canadiens all-time all star teams, I think the Kings could put together the most prolific scoring line-up of any franchise.
I was giving Niesy some time but I guess I’ll go:
Luc Robitaille, LW
I win, everyone should just stop.
by RudyKelly on Jan 29, 2011 2:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh dear. Sorry to have held it up!
…Do goalies have to be taken first? Oh, I’ll go look it up.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Ok, I’ve got it now.
Gretzky is a very predictable choice, but there it is. Bernie will understand. I hope.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
They picked Lessard for you. You can change it to Quick if you want.
by RudyKelly on Jan 29, 2011 3:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Okay. Sorry. I had to go out. WE WILL FINISH THIS.
so far, we have:
1. (Rudy) Hrudey.
2. (Quisp) Vachon.
3. (Niesy) Gretzky
4. (Rudy) Robitaille
5. (Quisp) Nicholls
Niesy, you’re up.
(I have decided we’re just going around Rudy/Quisp/Niesy)
Wait till this year.
Just double checking that we are using the All Star rules:
3 goalies, 6 defensemen and 12 forwards each. All goalies must be taken within the first 10 rounds; all defensemen by the end of Round 15
Yes?
I choose Félix Potvin. Anyone who can split open Hextall’s face is boss.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Couldn't Help Ourselves
I was inspired by the blog and got my friend to do a Kings draft with me. Here are the rosters we came up with-
Team Commando Chris-
Forwards
1) Wayne Gretzky
2) Marcel Dionne
3) Butch Goring
4) Tony Granato
5) Dave Taylor
6) Jari Kurri
7) Charlie Simmer
8) Bob Berry
9) Ian Laperriere
10) Dustin Brown
11) Mike Donnelly
12) Tiger Williams
Defensemen
1) Rob Blake
2) Bob Murdoch
3) Paul Coffey
4) Mark Hardy
5) Larry Murphy
6) Garry Galley
Goaltenders
1) Rogie Vachon
2) Kelly Hrudey
Team Darth Puck (me)
Forwards
1) Luc Robitaille
2) Tomas Sandstrom
3) Ziggy Palffy
4) Anze Kopitar
5) Bernie Nicholls
6) Adam Deadmarsh
7) Alexander Frolov
8) Jimmy Carson
9) Jim Fox
10) Glen Murray
11) Pavol Demitra
12) Mike Murphy
Defensemen
1) Drew Doughty
2) Mattias Norstrom
3) Larry Robinson
4) Lubomir Visnovsky
5) Alexei Zhitnik
6) Rob Scuderi
Goaltenders
1) Felix Potvin
2) Jon Bernier
i will wait to read you rosters until ours are done; otherwise, i would be unduly influenced.
Wait till this year.
i’d put my money on Team Darth Puck
I'm nobody's fool, least of all yours
by BoulderDodger on Jan 30, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
as of the end of round two:
1. (Rudy) Hrudey., G
2. (Quisp) Vachon, G
3. (Niesy) Gretzky, F
4. (Rudy) Robitaille, F
5. (Quisp) Nicholls, F
6. (Niesy) Potvin, G
7. (Rudy)
8. (Quisp)
9. (Niesy)
Wait till this year.
Team Rudy Selects, With The 1st Pick in the 4th Round...
I have my scorers (Robitaille & Dionne), now I need my rock on the 2nd line. I need someone that is a complete player, someone who can wear the Captain’s “C” and represent my team with pride. There’s only one man for that job…
Butch Goring, C (1969-1980)
Also, I think it says something about the Kings when we’ve gone 10 picks without drafting a single defenseman.
I’m waiting for someone to blink and take Rob Blake. I’ll be waiting a while, right?
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
This is going to be fun to program the custom players in NHL 11
I wonder which team will get which jerseys? I guess we should do it based on who has the most players from whichever era. Unless there’s a preference. (In case you don’t know, the game has the current crowns, current thirds, silver and black chevron, and throwback purple and gold — home and away for each, obviously.)
Wait till this year.
Burger King should be unlockable!!
Seriously, as reviled as it is, how has EA not taken the opportunity to put it in every single NHL game?
Full disclosure- I LOVE the 1996 alternate Kings sweater!
Team Rudy Selects, With the 1st Pick in the 5th Round...
This was a hard choice so I asked my brother: Jari Kurri or Ziggy Palffy? He replied, “My brain says Jari, my dong says Ziggy.” The dong always wins.
Zigmund Palffy, RW (1999-2004)
1. (Rudy) Hrudey., G
2. (Quisp) Vachon, G
3. (Niesy) Gretzky, F
4. (Rudy) Robitaille, F
5. (Quisp) Nicholls, F
6. (Niesy) Potvin, G
7. (Rudy) Dionne, F
8. (Quisp) Sandstrom, F
9. (Niesy) Taylor, F
10, (Rudy) Goring, F
11. (Quisp) Doughty, D
12. (Niesy) Norstrom, D
13. (Rudy) Palffy, F
14. (Quisp) Kopitar, F
15. (Niesy) ??
Wait till this year.
Team Rudy Selects...
The best young defenseman the Kings ever had. No, not Doughty, it’s…
Larry Murphy, D (1980-1984)
Finally!
I was wondering how long Larry Murphy or Paul Coffey would remain unpicked. Nice pick, RK.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jan 31, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I’m also getting to that point where there are many great players who didn’t spend as much time with the Kings as some others, yet would be a shame to pass over without acknowledgment. Pulford stayed on as a coach, so I felt all right about that.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
I messed up the count. Simmer was the 17th pick
1. (Rudy) Hrudey., G
2. (Quisp) Vachon, G
3. (Niesy) Gretzky, F
4. (Rudy) Robitaille, F
5. (Quisp) Nicholls, F
6. (Niesy) Potvin, G
7. (Rudy) Dionne, F
8. (Quisp) Sandstrom, F
9. (Niesy) Taylor, F
10, (Rudy) Goring, F
11. (Quisp) Doughty, D
12. (Niesy) Norstrom, D
13. (Rudy) Palffy, F
14. (Quisp) Kopitar, F
15. (Niesy) Quick, G
16. (Rudy) Murphy, D
17. (Quisp) Simmer, F
18. (Niesy) Pulford
19. (Rudy) Frolov, F
And with the 20th pick, Team Quisp selects Rob Blake.
Wait till this year.
Jimmy “the Greek” Carson.
Man. That seems cruel to do to him with Gretzky on my team.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Team Rudy Selects...
One of my alternate captains, and a lover of making things go boom:
Dustin Brown, RW (2003-present)
1. (Rudy) Hrudey., G
2. (Quisp) Vachon, G
3. (Niesy) Gretzky, F
4. (Rudy) Robitaille, F
5. (Quisp) Nicholls, F
6. (Niesy) Potvin, G
7. (Rudy) Dionne, F
8. (Quisp) Sandstrom, F
9. (Niesy) Taylor, F
10, (Rudy) Goring, F
11. (Quisp) Doughty, D
12. (Niesy) Norstrom, D
13. (Rudy) Palffy, F
14. (Quisp) Kopitar, F
15. (Niesy) Quick, G
16. (Rudy) Murphy, D
17. (Quisp) Simmer, F
18. (Niesy) Pulford
19. (Rudy) Frolov, F
20. (Quisp) Blake, D
21. (Niesy) Kurri, F
22. (Rudy), Visnovsky, D
23. (Quisp) Granato, F
24. (Niesy) Barry
25. (Rudy) Widing, F
26. (Quisp) Gleason, D
27. (Niesy) Carson, F
28. (Rudy) Brown, F
And, with the 29th pick, Team Quisp is proud to select Mike Cammalleri.
Wait till this year.
8th in all time points as a King...
and all time leader in whoas: Jimmy Fox!
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Where were y’all on Sunday? Fine, I’ll push through.
With wine. I require wine.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Seriously, the USSR might have committed genocide through famine, but the collapse of that infrastructure was not at all beneficial to the development of hockey players in that country…
Those things are not at all equivalent, but In case anyone was wondering…
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Seven more rounds!
1. (Rudy) Hrudey., G
2. (Quisp) Vachon, G
3. (Niesy) Gretzky, F
4. (Rudy) Robitaille, F
5. (Quisp) Nicholls, F
6. (Niesy) Potvin, G
7. (Rudy) Dionne, F
8. (Quisp) Sandstrom, F
9. (Niesy) Taylor, F
10, (Rudy) Goring, F
11. (Quisp) Doughty, D
12. (Niesy) Norstrom, D
13. (Rudy) Palffy, F
14. (Quisp) Kopitar, F
15. (Niesy) Quick, G
16. (Rudy) Murphy, D
17. (Quisp) Simmer, F
18. (Niesy) Pulford
19. (Rudy) Frolov, F
20. (Quisp) Blake, D
21. (Niesy) Kurri, F
22. (Rudy), Visnovsky, D
23. (Quisp) Granato, F
24. (Niesy) Barry
25. (Rudy) Widing, F
26. (Quisp) Gleason, D
27. (Niesy) Carson, F
28. (Rudy) Brown, F
29. (Quisp) Cammalleri, F
30. (Niesy) Fox, F
31. (Rudy), Wells, D
32. (Quisp) Laperriere, F
33. (Niesy), Hardy, D
34. (Rudy) Murphy
35 (Quisp) Deadmarsh
36. (Niesy) Williams
37. (Rudy) Robinson
38. (Quisp) Schneider
39. (Niesy) Duchesne
40. (Rudy) Miller
41. (Quisp) Millen
42. (Niesy) Zhitnik, D
43. (Rudy) Coffey
44. (Quisp) Scuderi
45. (Niesy) Galley
Wait till this year.
To Open Up The Day, Team Rudy Selects...
Jason Allison, C (2001-2003)
The Allison-Palffy Connection is alive and well!
why has no one chose Dan Cloutier lol!!!
The team that executes better has a better chance to win. So, we're going to sharpen our sword for battle with that in mind, and do it with an eye toward executing at a high level."
-Mike Tomlin-
Go Ducks!
www.battleofcali.com
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Feb 1, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
They tried, but Dan’s agent said nobody was answering the phone at Cloutier’s Super-8 motel room.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 1, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
screw it call up chechmanek
The team that executes better has a better chance to win. So, we're going to sharpen our sword for battle with that in mind, and do it with an eye toward executing at a high level."
-Mike Tomlin-
Go Ducks!
www.battleofcali.com
by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Feb 1, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Roman Čechmánek and Jason Bailey are currently discussing plans to open a chain of Delicatessen restaurants beginning in Anaheim and Bakersfield.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 1, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Team Rudy Selects...
Wayne “Meat Train” Simmonds, RW (2008-Present)
So I got Hrudey, Fro, Lubo, and Meat… just need 1 more…
Great pick.
There is also one RW from this same era who I am very surprised hasn’t been taken yet.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 1, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
So are you looking at best players or best Kings?
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
well, I didn't do a very good job at defining that particular issue
I have been operating under the assumption that if you pick, for example, Paul Coffey, you’re getting the one that played for the Kings, not the Hall of Fame Oilers guy.
This will come up quite a bit in programming the characteristics of each player in NHL 11. Larry Robinson, for example, is Larry Robinson 1990, not 1974.
Wait till this year.
Robitaille
So how do you classify a guy like Lucky who has several great seasons early on with the Kings, pretty good seasons in the late 90’s and early 00’s and then put up decent numbers for an old guy but certainly not a 3rd or 4th overall pick toward the end?
Did Rudy get Robitaille, circa 1993 when he set the left wing goals and points records for a single season? 2006 when he retired with the Kings? Or is some kind of composite of Luc Robitaille’s 3 tenures with the team?
I figured you get the player at their best with the Kings. So for Gretzky you’re getting him at the top of his game in LA but not the guy who scored 92 goals in 1982. Is that how this works?
yes
I think we need to honor the spirit of “all star” and “all-time” (i.e. the best version of them)
while using what they did with the kings to calibrate their various attributes. So, the best version of Robitaille and Nicholls and Dionne, but the LA version of Gretzky, Kurri, Coffey (great, all of them, but not Oiler great) and Robinson. Where possible, everyone is 27 and at their peak.
Wait till this year.
I tried to stick ‘had great impact as a King’ but I make exceptions all over the place…it’d be a shame to keep some of these names off.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
there's also tom williams, who i am tempted to pick, however, no... Team Quisp selects
Dave Hutchison
Wait till this year.
Team Rudy Proudly Selects...
Dave Hutchinson
Warren Rychel, LW!
Gotta say, I’m loving my 4th line:
Rychel-Conroy-Simmonds
Are you trying to generate traffic over here from Pension Plan Puppets with this pick?
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 1, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Ahhhh. Are those players known as Reverse Aki Bergs?
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 1, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, Has No One Selected Him Yet?
Did anyone take Marty McSorley yet? Because if not, I want him.
(Also, no one has taken Sean O’Donnell yet and that makes me sad.)
he's all yours
my pick, which I accidentally made out of turn, is Dave Hutchison. You’re up Niesy. By my count, there’s only one round left.
Wait till this year.
actually, we can skip over niesy, since she already has two goalies...
rudy, go ahead and select your goalie and then i’ll select my goalie, and niesy can pick her two skaters when she returns.
Wait till this year.
jamie storr
and my roster is complete:
1 G Jamie Storr
3 D Jack Johnson
4 D Rob Blake
5 D Rob Scuderi
7 RW Tomas Sandstrom
8 D Drew Doughty
9 C Bernie Nicholls
10 D Mathieu Schneider
11 LW Charlie Simmer
13 LW Mike Cammalleri
14 RW Mike Donnelly
17 RW Bill Flett
19 LW Sean Avery
21 LW Tony Granato
22 C Ian Laperriere
23 D Dave Hutchison
25 C Anze Kopitar
27 RW Bob Nevin
28 RW Adam Deadmarsh
30 G Rogie Vachon
32 C Corey Millen
42 D Tim Gleason
(I re-assigned duplicate numbers to the next most appropriate number; e.g. Kopitar wore 25 for Slovenia; Donnelly wore 14 at MSU)
Wait till this year.
Man,after O’Donnell, this last pick is tough. I’m going to slight so many players in one fell swoop.
I also have the most bizarrely constructed team because I thought we had to take goalies and D early until I got halfway through. Oh well, I love those guys.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
All right…it saddens me to pass over many good players, but for my last forward pick I’m going with Mike Corrigan. He can play any position and also mix it up, so the versatility won out.
No three pack of Williamses for me. Ta da.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
what i want to do is
1) (tomorrow) do a post with all three rosters configured in lines and pairs. all three teams in one post.
2) (at some point in the next ten days or two weeks) do a “roundtable” where the three of us discuss our picks, taking at least some amount of time to the bios of the more obscure picks.
3) (over the next month) we’ll do some posts where we (the three of us and the commenters) debate the superpowers of the various players, so that I have something to work with in calibrating the custom players in NHL 11.
4) set up the teams in NHL 11 (I’ll do this as we go along)
5) simulate a tournament among the three teams, possibly adding as a fourth team the actual 2011 Los Angeles Kings.
6) figure out a way to capture the simulation of each game as a video and put it up on the site. I’m pretty sure this is doable. and will be totally sweet. we can unveil each game in sequence like it’s a real game. and people can watch the fake game.
even though there’s a certain amount of labor involved (mostly mine), I love this idea.
one thing we have to do is pick the uniforms for each team. one of us has to be purple and gold, another silver and black (gretzky era), and another our current jerseys. my preference is purple and gold for team quisp, but i’ll compromise if i have to.
in order to do the first post, I will need the line-ups (including jersey numbers) for Team Rudy and Team Niesy. I used hockey-reference.com to see what other jerseys each player wore during their career, which you need for times when you’ve got two guys with the same number. anyway, fun or all.
i loved doing this. so far.
Wait till this year.
i loved doing this. so far.
I’ve enjoyed following along and had fun drafting my own All-Stars with my buddy. If I wasn’t so busy (i.e., lazy) I might consider the NHL 11 option. Sounds like a lot of work though!
Also, I know there are video game sites that do video walkthroughs so if you need help figuring out how to get the video from your Playstation/Xbox onto the computer you might contact them and see how they do it (a simple youtube search for a video game title + walkthrough will find you plenty of examples).
I will work on my part of the first post for you tonight. Have been catching up with a lot of things.
I don’t mind Silver and Black or the current uniforms, so I’ll defer to Rudy.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Team Rudy
3 D Aaron Miller
4 D Larry Robinson
5 D Larry Murphy
7 D Jay Wells
9 RW Wayne Simmonds
10 LW Warren Rychel
14 RW Mike Murphy
15 C Juha Widing
16 C Marcel Dionne
17 Lubomir Visnovsky
19 C Butch Goring
20 LW Robitaille
21 C Craig Conroy
22 D Charlie Huddy
23 RW Dustin Brown
24 LW Alexander Frolov
32 G Kelly Hrudey
33 D Marty McSorley
35 G Stephane Fiset
41C Jason Allison
68 RW Zigmund Palffy
77 D Paul Coffey
Robitaille-Dionne-Murphy
Wida-Allison-Palffy
Frolov-Goring-Brown
Rychel-Conroy-Simmonds
Murphy-Wells
Visnovsky-Miller
Coffey-McSorley
Huddy
Hrudey
Fiset
f***ing hell, that's a good team, rudy. mine is:
Simmer/Nicholls/Sandstrom
Cammalleri/Kopitar/Deadmarsh
Granato/Millen/Donnelly
Avery/Laperriere/Flett
(Nevin)
Schneider/Doughty
Gleason/Blake
Johnson/Scuderi
(Hutchison)
Vachon
(Storr)
Wait till this year.
my preference is
(1) purple
(2) silver/black
(3) black third
(4) current purple/black
Wait till this year.
Funny how the one and only non-current player I picked was never chosen.
I’d take Mario Lessard over 3 of the goalies selected. Lessard rocked.
Other notables left out:
Jaroslav Modry, who gave 10 seasons worth of hockey to the Kings (tied for 6th most of any King ever).
Philippe Boucher (8 seasons tied for 8th most with another skipped player, Craig Johnson).
Tim Watters, 7 seasons.
The slow guy, Glen Murray who put in 6 seasons with the club.
Modry: 19th most games played in a Kings jersey
Johnson: 23rd
Boucher: 47th
Murray: 53rd
Watters: 54th
Honorable mention to a couple of 70’s guys: Vic Venasky 22nd and Bob Murdoch 24th all-time games played with the Kings.
yeah i didn't mean to disparage him.
i didn’t pick him because sandstrom is one of my favorite kings, it not my absolute favorite. I wanted kopitar between two finishers and one who could crash (thus, cammalleri and deadmarsh). I was committed to recreating millen/donnelly. And Murray just didn’t fit with my irritant/physical/shut-down fourth line concept.
Wait till this year.
okay, based on various exchanges, including email, the sweaters will be
Team Quisp = purple and gold
Team Rudy = silver and black chevron
Team Niesy = purple and black
Wait till this year.
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