Kings 5, Stars 3 - (Belated) Post-Game Bullets
by Quisp on Oct 28, 2011 10:07 PM PDT
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Print[I meant to get this out earlier, but real life kept intervening. I wish I could say I was working feverishly on some long-winded post to make the wait worth it...]
- Jonathan Quick's shut-out streak ended at 202 minutes. That will be hard to top.
- Viatcheslav Voynov had two goals and one assist, including the game-winner. Terry Murray was effusive in his praise of Voynov (see Hammond, like you haven't already) and declared him "an NHL player."
- Voynov was on the ice for one goal-against in his five games.
- Patrick O`Sullivan is 24th in the league in GF/60, at 1.91. That's higher than any Kings player.
- Who leads the Kings? Scott Parse, at 1.72, which is how his single goal translates per 60 minutes of ice time.
- Who led the Kings last year? Pretty sure it was Scott Parse, in his five games. [looking it up...] Nope, it was Andrei Loktionov, with 1.06, followed by Parse, with 1.00.
- What about the year before that? It was Parse, with 1.07.
- Jack Johnson leads all Kings in plus-minus/60 at 2.26, followed by Anze Kopitar at 2.20 and Voynov at 2.16.
- The bottom of the list is Matt Greene, Alec Martinez and Kevin Westgarth.
- Among players with 5 or more games-played, four players have been on the ice for only one goal-against: Dustin Penner, Ethan Moreau, Jarret Stoll, and Voynov.
- Those same four lead the team in GAON/60.
- Mike Richards is still batting 1.000: when he gets a point, the Kings win. When he doesn't, they don't.
- Kopitar (12) is 6th in the league in points, four behind Phil Kessel.
- Richards and Kopitar (both with 8) are tied for 4th in assists, two behind Marc-Andre Bergeron.
- Johnson is 7th in the league and 1st on the Kings in plus-minus, at +6, three behind Matt D`Agostini.
- 149, 146, 115, 52 -- that's the number of face-offs taken by Kopitar, Richards, Stoll and Trevor Lewis, in that order.
- Face-off wins: Kopitar 53%, Richards 45.9%, Stoll 52.2%, Lewis 42.2%.
- Justin Williams leads the team in shots, with 28.
- Greene and Moreau lead the team in hits, with 26.
- By win-percentage, the Kings are tops in the west and 3rd in the league, at .722. Ahead of them are the Penguins and Caps. The Kings are tied with the Leafs.
- Kings are second in the league in GAA, at 1.67. Edmonton, at 1.40, is first.
- Kings are 17th in the league in GPG, at 2.44.
- Kings rank 6th on the power-play and 9th on the PK.
- SV% leaders for goalies with more than 5 games: Nikolai Khabibulin, .964; Quick, .962.
- GAA leaders? Same two guys, in the same order: Khabibulin, 0.97; Quick, 1.12.
- Oh, and last night was another win in which the Kings were out-shot. Their record when out-shot climbs to 5-0-1.
- Drew Doughty will play tomorrow, apparently. And Voynov will be returned to Manchester. But not for long?
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I would think that Voynov won’t be down on the farm any longer than it takes for Lombardi to figure out whom to move and how.
If it was up to me, I think I would have waived Drewiske already, with the intention of sending him to Manchester. I think he would clear.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Patty O, Voynov comments
Patty O. only has one goal this season…wonder why his career went into the shitter.
Voynov joining the team is intriguing. Problem is that someone has to go. Having Drewiske go does not help, unless you are going to bench Martinez. I, like so many others, would be ambivalent about sending Greene away; he seems to bring something intangible although I hate seeing him play against teams like Vancouver and San Jose where he ends up looking very slow.
We’ll see what Lombardi does…
At this point, I might well sit Martinez in favor of Voynov.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Yeah. Gotta think that Martinez is trade bait right now. We’d still have the problem of Drewiske, though. Fake injury, anyone?
"After months of reading other people’s catchy sigs (like yours), I decided I needed one, too." -- DougX
by VoluminousTuna on Oct 29, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Drewiske could come down with a case of that, yes.
"After months of reading other people’s catchy sigs (like yours), I decided I needed one, too." -- DougX
by VoluminousTuna on Oct 29, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
The Move is
To take a chance & see if Drewiskie clears. Let Alec & VVVV ’comprte for a place. Should one of Pickles, Scids, Greene get hurt, bring up Muzzles.
by Doughty99 on Oct 29, 2011 12:06 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think our reluctance to risk losing Drewiske is because we over-value him. Martinez could very well ride the pine for us while Voynov shines.
"After months of reading other people’s catchy sigs (like yours), I decided I needed one, too." -- DougX
by VoluminousTuna on Oct 29, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
here's a thought
trade greene
give scuderi – doughty all the tough minutes (like murray did last year, depressing doughty’s numbers)
make johnson – voynov the second pair (getting jj back to the left side where he belongs – they’ve already been playing on the power play together and look good – yes, i know it’s not the same as 5-on-5)
and make martinez – mitchell the third pair (i’m betting that works better than martinez – greene – which isn’t working so well)
I don’t know what to trade greene for, though. i have a feeling parse/richards/brown might turn out to be good. maybe a better rw3 than ethan moreau?
here’s a thought trade greene
/Paul Holmgren stands by the phone
First of all, nobody's ever thought that. Ever.
And Glenny Slats. Everybody knows the Rangers need a few more defensemen.
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Oct 29, 2011 10:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If Greene really, truly is a spare part (and the Kings would still be deep in Ds without him), then a draft pick would do. A pick can always be parlayed into someone useful down the line — and Lombardi has shown that he can find useful players after the 1st/2nd round. Plus, having his salary off the books would help with flexibility at the trade deadline, when the team’s needs will be much more apparent.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
I really don’t think we have enough “oomph” without Greene.
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
Physical
Not enough physical play without Green. As much as everyone loves goals. Haveing one or two puck moving defenceman is great and all but I wouldn’t want to go without Scuds – Willie – Greene. JMFJ – VV – DD is great but really pushing the envelope of a D tilted too much towards offence.
Just my opinion.
This is the new NHL, remember, I would prefer a more mobile dman such as Voynov to Greene. We’ve already got two solid dmen to kill penalties and Greene is often not available to kill penalties since he is often in the box because of his lack of quickness. Trading Greene also frees up cap space which would allow us to resign Mitchell next year, which to me should be a high priority.
Works for me. I would think that we could get something for Greene, there are several teams shopping for a solid, veteran dman (Edmonton for one). They could even package him with Drewiske. I think the two of them could get a high pick or a forward prospect.
You could also pair Martinez with Doughty and Mitchell with Voynov, I think that would work equally well with your setup.
I wouldn’t mind trading Greene for a pick. Greene’s combined shots and goals +/- per 60 is the worst on team so far and takes too many pointless penalties. “Grit” is still an overrated commodity in today’s NHL and the Kings could take advantage of that.
My fear is that Voynov and Martinez will end up having to compete for minutes which sucks because I think Martinez may be our 2nd best defensemen (behind DD).
Free Marc-André Cliche.
I would also be concerned about the physical presence on defense without Greene- unless Muzzin was brought up also.
Greene does make the most sense to move on paper. The team is still too young to be without Scuderi and Mitchell, and while Greene is reliable in the defensive zone, he is replaceable. Salary needs to be shed somewhere at some point.
But of course there is that off-ice factor we always hear about- that oft-used seldom clarified phrase- He’s a great locker room guy. As unimportant as it might seem, Lombardi does seem to appreciate this factor with players, and might second guess the idea of making the team younger in developing a playoff capable roster, and I get that.
But dammit, I want to see Voynov and Loktionov on the full time roster.
Next Year
I think we’ll see them both next year … but I’m concerned about loosing Stoll – Willie – Scuds all at the same time, just seems like way too much experiance to let go in one year.
Muzzin should be ready to take over for Mitchell next season.
Same for Loki when we lose Stoll.
I really like Stoll though because he is so versatile (faceoffs, PP, shoot outs).
Can we trade Lewis instead and keep Stoll and Loki as 3rd and 4th centers? I realize Lewis is responsible defensively, but that’s all he bringing to the table. He is horrible at faceoffs, gets knocked on the puck fairly easily and can not finish with the puck.
We have so many options on our PK. Does Lewis REALLY deserve a roster spot because he is above average in one aspect of the game?
by djspock92 on Oct 29, 2011 10:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What did you think about Lewis’ playoff performance vs. the Sharks last season?
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
He definitely has offensive capability; he is just rarely given the ice time or the linemates to do much, simply because we have other players.
He set up two beauties for Brown against Edmonton last year, after Kopi went down, and Murray promptly took him off that line. It’s hard to understand sometimes. But he adds depth.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
I have to agree that Greene’s heft and the Mitchell and Scuderi vet stability is still needed.
But, if the point is to find space for Voyonov…well Muzzin does not solve that problem.
I’ve long felt the weak link in the farm system is that (seemingly) a large number of the highly skilled players are at best of average size. Teams can afford a few small, skilled players but IMO a team can not afford to stack a defense with “smaller” highly skilled and mobile players.
The Sharks had this problem last year and corrected it with Burns. The Canucks also had this problem last season and it showed in the finals.
Greene is really the only defense who combines both size and weight. Mitchell is tall but light. Johnson heavy but short and Doughty, well kinda in between.
I think it would awesome to add Voynov to the lineup…talk about a 1-2-3 combination but I can’t yet figure out how to fit it in or see it working come playoff time.
Here, lets have a look;
Drew Doughty 6’ 0" 212
Davis Drewiske 6’ 1" 220
Matt Greene 6’ 3" 232
Jack Johnson 6’ 1" 231
Alec Martinez 6’ 1" 206
Willie Mitchell 6’ 3" 208
Rob Scuderi 6’ 1" 219
Slava Voynov 5’ 11" 199
Bonus Stat
Jake Muzzin 6’3" 217
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
But Muzzin could replace Drewiske and fill in when extra size is needed.
by CrownedRoyal on Oct 29, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I read into a lot of people’s comments an assumption that if the Kings swap Voynov in for Drewiske, it will skew the balance in favor of “puck-movers” over “big, physical” guys. But remember, Drewiske didn’t get into a game for something like 6 months because he wasn’t using his size, wasn’t playing physical enough.
I think VT is right; I think we as Kings fans tend to overvalue him — at least in the sense that, when other teams look at him, they just see a guy who never plays, and who has reached an age where he has probably hit his ceiling, If the Kings want to keep him, I really think he would make it to Manchester without being claimed on waivers.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
The way things developed in the past week I believe you and Mr Tuna are correct. The horizon on defense has broaden considerably.
A week ago I would have hesitated on Drewiske — not because I felt he was a cog but in hopes of getting anything, even a late pick from his departure. Now, I want the space — quickly.
With Winnipeg and Columbus out there I don’t think Drewiske would clear, I’d bet one will snap him up in desperation.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
With Winnipeg and Columbus out there I don’t think Drewiske would clear,
That’s probably the most reasonable explanation for why Voynov was given a ticket back to Manchester — Lombardi had to show that he was willing to send the kid back down, or else anyone who was interested in trading for the Kings’ spare Ds would just sit back and wait on the waiver wire. The only way to get something in return for whomever he deems expendable is to pretend that the way things were before Doughty went on IR is acceptable.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
What I want for xmas:
Parse/ Kopitar/ Williams
Penner/ Richards/ Brown
Gagne/ Lokti/ Stoll
Clifford/ Lewis/ Richardson/Moreau
Martinez/ Doughty
Mitchell/ Voynov
Scuderi/Johnson
Quick/Bernier
Free Marc-André Cliche.
PoS
Regardless of current stats and past problems the season is still young. Plenty of time for a meltdown.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
I don’t even care anymore. We won the trade by a mile.
"After months of reading other people’s catchy sigs (like yours), I decided I needed one, too." -- DougX
by VoluminousTuna on Oct 29, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
guess I still resent having to watch him (and cammalleri) for a season.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
The Cammalleri loss was of significance. We got a great return on Sully in Willy. No one’s had chemistry with Kopi like Willy.
"After months of reading other people’s catchy sigs (like yours), I decided I needed one, too." -- DougX
by VoluminousTuna on Oct 29, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree, sample size is insanely small
Nothing should be taken too seriously at this point.
But I am rooting for him to succeed.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Johnson is 7th in the league and 1st on the Kings in plus-minus, at +6, three behind Matt D`Agostini.
PDO of 109.9, shot differential of -11. He will need to keep building on his play to stay there.
Quick isn’t going to break that many goaltending records, is what I’m saying.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Do the Kings still have any "Hockey Fights Cancer" Mystery Pucks left for sale at the Staples Centre?
I’m looking to acquire one and would need help in doing so, since I live up in Canada. Full reimbursement, naturally.
A Goal Horn Haiku
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That's the sound the train horn makes
Suck it, Toronto
Thanks. We at the Sens had about fifty or so left even a week and a half after our HCF Night.
Much appreciated.
A Goal Horn Haiku
Hoooonk hoooonk honk honk hooooonk
That's the sound the train horn makes
Suck it, Toronto
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