Loktionov, Penner, Martinez, Voynov: Roster Musings
One Or More L.A. Kings Players May Get Traded Or Waived Before Christmas " Surly & Scribe
I am struggling to wrap my head around one potential scenario – The L.A. Kings sending Andrei Loktionov to Manchester upon Dustin Penner’s return. I just can’t do it.
Neither can I, but I'm also wondering if Penner will even be healthy by then. Loktionov appears to have a week or so at least left on his visit.
Unless the Kings hate Charlie Sheen (read: Winning!), Dustin Penner has been rendered obsolete as a top 6 left wing absent an injury to a current top 6 player (biting my tongue) and we are left without any other option or [besides?] a trade / waiver that puts Loktionov firmly in the third line center position.
I wouldn't rule out a Stoll trade sometime this season. He's struggling, scoring depth is a recurrent issue (and that's code for "third line why do you suck?"), his contract is up after this season and nobody seriously thinks Stoll is going to resign in LA to play on the fourth line. I would even go so far as to say that Anze Kopitar - Mike Richards - Loktionov down the middle appears to be the plan going forward, starting next season (if not sooner).
Could Dustin Penner be traded before the end of the year? Yes.
I can see Penner for a 2nd round pick or a prospect or something. Which would -- need I point out? -- create 4.25MM in coveted cap space. For, you know, one of those deadline day acquisitions.
So, if Loktionov stays with us, who do we lose? My bet – Trent Hunter. I see a waiver or a trade but a trade would have to include a package unless we take future considerations (read: free tickets to Breaking Dawn) .
I assume he means, who do we lose if both Penner and Stoll stay put. The problem with losing Trent Hunter (or Ethan Moreau, or Colin Fraser, or Brad Richardson, or Trevor Lewis) is that he is (they all are) useful pieces that you have to have if you're going to go deep in the playoffs. And Loktionov is not going to stay with the club only to be a healthy scratch. I actually find the scenario in which we lose one of the guys in this paragraph less likely than the Stoll or Penner scenario.
Is a bigger trade coming? The depth scoring is awful. Nobody in the bottom 6 can bury the biscuit. While I put a large part of that on Terry Murray (where would we be in the top 6 without 10 and 11?), Murray, at the risk of repeating myself from previous articles, isn’t going anywhere absent a melt down.
I agree, unfortunately. Because I think Stoll and Penner are both victims of Acute Murrayitis.
But who? And at what price? A lot of teams need defense and we have a treasure chest of defensemen. If Slava Voynov sticks, I can see one or more of Alec Martinez (my last choice on this list), Thomas Hickey, Jake Muzzin or Matt Greene packaged.
A big trade could easily involve Martinez, since he's a legitimate pro. Hickey is an unknown to the rest of the world. I personally would have considered dealing Greene if the Doughty-Johnson pairing had been better. But it's hard to imagine Doughty, Johnson, Voynov, Martinez, Scuderi and Mitchell as the --
-- wait. That sounds pretty good.
Those of the "screw Doughty, trade him" persuasion, talk to me when common sense has penetrated.
Who says such things? That's crazy talk.
With Stoll and Penner both UFA next summer, Loktionov ready for prime-time, Tyler Toffoli going pro in 2012, and Martinez and Voynov both occupying the same coordinates in space-time, something's got to give.
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Trading Penner for a high-round pick sounds good in theory, but really, who would take it at this point? Penner has been hobbled by injury so far in what was supposed to be a snap-back season, and he doesn’t look like a terribly valuable asset. Other GMs will look at the Kings roster just as we can and see that there’s a logjam, and Dean has to put someone on the block (presumably the asset that he sees as having the least value). That puts downward pressure on Penner’s actual trade value.
I would be surprised if Dean could deal Penner without having to take a junk contract in return, at a net cap hit savings of less than $2 mil.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Who says such things? That’s crazy talk.
Don’t you know, the Kings won some games while he was out, and he’s terrible! The worst defenseman.
I know the bad man hurt us over the summer of drama, but I think some people should check their haterade.
Martinez and Voynov and Doughty, I want to keep. JJ, I think they’re really invested in, but I can’t see the Kings being a top possession team like Detroit or SJ or Boston or Vancouver if he doesn’t improve rapidly.
For anyone interested,Fenwick/Corsi% while tied is as good a predictor of future team success as anyone’s come up with yet. The Kings as a whole are middle of the road right now. Not great, not terrible either. It’s hard to imagine where they’d be without Kopitar, Williams, Doughty, and Martinez being reeeeeeally good. Although Voynov is promising.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
All is not lost, though...
Kings have the look of a team being carried by its stars, until the 3rd and 4th line problems can be sorted out…
I have faith in those players. Someone will emerge.
Penner a cap dump only
I agree with DougX, no GM in their right mind would take Penner for a high draft pick. I’m sure there would be an overpaid scrub coming back. No doubt the Habs are salivating about any deal to get Scott Gomez off their books, they’d even take Penner! Of course in the few deals that could be bad for Penner, that’s one of them.
Good question, who goes on the Blue Line, but it is apparent there is a log jam and the Kings find themselves in desperate need of scoring depth…
With Penner there are 9 teams with space and four whose GMs can use a scapegoat to point at and say “I tried to improve the team” but it didn’t work out. Bye.
I could see getting a mid pick and maybe a couple of minor league bodies for the guy.
On the defense I could live without Greene in the regular season, but the corp listed by Quisp may be too small to go deep in the playoffs.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
I think we are seriously fooling ourselves if we think we can get anything significant in exchange for 2 overpaid UFAs with 60 games left on their contracts. They’re UFA! And yes, even Stoll falls in the overpaid camp at this point.
by Passemoilapuck on Nov 23, 2011 10:02 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If they send Loktionov down for Penner
I will fucking murder somebody…
I’d actually rather keep Martinez and MOVE JACK JOHNSON… And trade Penner for a Zamboni…
First of all, nobody's ever thought that. Ever.
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