Kings 2 or 3, Sharks 0 -- Post-Game Bullets
by Quisp on Nov 29, 2011 6:31 AM PST
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Print- It seemed pretty clear to me, especially on the replay from behind Brown and Voynov, that Voynov kicked, then Brown's stick went under Voynov's foot, then Brown's stick (not Voynov's foot) hit the puck. I'm not being a homer. That's just what it looked like to me.
- The refs told Terry Murray the replay was inconclusive? Er, what? Don't any of these people follow hockey? That means the call on the ice stands.
- Jonathan Quick and his posts saved this game from behind lopsided the wrong way.
- I can't believe the Sharks didn't score on at least one of the several power-plays the Kings delivered on a silver platter.
- My opinion on the effect of Murray's new lines: (1) Trent Hunter killed the first line, (2) Jarret Stoll on the wing gets penalties, (3) Kyle Clifford - Andrei Loktionov - Justin Williams, which I said I loved on paper, was a Frankenstein's monster, (4) the fourth line was good. Who was on it again? Ethan Moreau - Colin Fraser - Kevin Westgarth? Okay, maybe keep that one. Or not. Because:
- Dustin Penner is back on Thursday. What should the lines be? My opinion:
Simon Gagne - Anze Kopitar - Williams
Dustin Brown - Mike Richards - Stoll
Penner - Loktionov - Trevor Lewis
Clifford - Fraser - Brad Richardson
- What do I think the Kings will do?
Penner - Kopitar - Williams
Gagne - Richards - Brown
Moreau - Stoll - Hunter
Clifford - Fraser - Westgarth
- I bet they send Loktionov to Manchester. I hope not. But I bet they do.
- Instead, I would keep him up and put him on the power play, in place of, oh I don't know, TRENT HUNTER (???!!!???).
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Agreed
It seemed pretty clear to me, especially on the replay from behind Brown and Slava Voynov, that Voynov kicked, then Brown’s stick went under Voynov’s foot, then Brown’s stick (not Voynov’s foot) hit the puck.
As they played it over and over, I thought it only became clearer that Brown hit the puck after Voynov kicked it… Maybe the thought process was, the kick was definitive, the fact that Brown hit the puck after was inconclusive, therefore they disallowed it… You know what, they can go fuck themselves…
Didn’t really see the 1st and 2nd period, so I don’t really know if Quick stole this for us… I’ll just trust you on that…
And Trent Hunter sucked the life out of the top line? You don’t say…
First of all, nobody's ever thought that. Ever.
You're more than welcome to #Occupymybed
Brown's stick
was completely torqued prior to its blade coming close to the puck.
That, and the velocity of the puck entering the net looked pretty darn conclusive to me.
I also don’t understand all the love Murray heaps on Hunter. 1st PP unit time of late, and now 1st line time?
Does Murray hate Kopi?
I do like RIchards and Gagne together though, I would like to see more of that.
Brown’s stick was completely torqued prior to its blade coming close to the puck. That, and the velocity of the puck entering the net looked pretty darn conclusive to me.
That’s what I kept banking on as well. No way Voynov gets that much velocity with his weak kicking motion AS HE WAS FALLING DOWN.
But whatever – still a 2-0 shutout. It was just hard to hear the Sharks homer Drew Remenda (who I like, and who respects the Kings) emphatically, emphatically, emphatically going on for the whole 5 minutes about the motion being distinct. Not ONCE did he pause to consider “Well gee, it’s taking a long time in Toronto … because maybe Brown’s stick barely tapped it.” Not once.
One more thing that struck me
about the game was how horrific our power play continues to be and by contrast, how really good the Sharks PP looked.
Sure, they didn’t score, but the movement – my god, the movement.
and one reason is...
I think the puck gets on VVs stick about 3 seconds per power play. I’ve been watching, and last night especially, it seems like TM just has to have DD & JJ out there the whole time, no matter how many opportunities they waste. Voynov only gets to come out with the likes of Hunter in the defensive zone with 20 seconds left on the advantage. I don’t get it, the power play is his bread and butter, that’s what he brings to the team, lets get him the puck now and then eh?
I don’t mind JJ’s play on the PP as much as I do Doughty’s. He walks into pressure (and somehow he’s moving AWAY from the net while doing so), passes into pressure, makes stupid little fancy passes that aren’t effective (saucer’s, behind the back, etc). I think VV and JJ would be a good match and they’d be more likely to get some good one-time bombs off, and they both like to float into dead space.
Penner – Kopitar – Williams
Gagne – Richards – Stoll
Brown- Loktionov – Nolan
Clifford – Lewis – Richardson
Free Marc-André Cliche.
I couldn’t see it that clearly last night, but when I watched the highlights this morning, it wasn’t even terribly ‘inconclusive’. Was pretty clear that that was Brown’s stick and even judging as someone else pointed out by the momentum of the puck.
Great performance by Quick but still papering over very real issues – Scoring; or lack thereof – shot by Moreau you score on one time out of 100). Discipline; oh sorry you guys didn’t score on the other power plays. Would you enjoy another shot or two, or three at it? They clearly still aren’t getting that.
Supposedly TM told the group before the 3rd period in the Dallas game to watch their sticks. So what does Doughty do in the 3rd period, especially after the 3rd goal has been disallowed to offer up momentum? Right between whoever’s legs those were. Isn’t it enough just to get position on the guy and escort him towards the boards?
Is it just me or does Doughty at the moment seem like a combination of 1) not someone playing like he did at all two years ago and 2) someone making a few too many poor decisions?
I think doughty is trying too hard
I’ve been watching him too since he’s got the big payday and he’s making too many mistakes in his own end trying to be fancy and he’s not getting the shot through. I think he gets more blocked from the point than anyone.
I hope he stops gripping his stick so tight and just loosens up…that goes for most of the team too though.
He's Clearly Capable of Brilliance
See his end to end rush capped by a nifty backhand pass across the crease to -Hunter? whomever it was who couldn’t finish the play - last Saturday night.
That said he seems to be getting burned more frequently, along the lines of what Havlat did to him last night (leading to the tripping penalty) (and granted, Havlat is a skilled playmaker). Worse is a new tendency to retaliate after coming up short in physical battles along the boards or in the corners. Last night it was —Pavelski? - to the right of Quick. DD went down, the Sharks’ skater stayed on his skates, DD leg-whipped him to bring him down, too. Shoulda been another call…
In watching the post game interviews, did anyone else notice Moreau’s eyes? His right iris was dilated and his left one wasn’t. What’s up with that?
Frightening
What do I think the Kings will do?
Moreau – Stoll – Hunter
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Nov 29, 2011 8:13 AM PST reply actions
I like your lines
But can Stoll play the right side.
I have no idea why Murray resists putting Gagne-Richards-Williams together, but it is totally annoying. Seems like a match made in heaven, with all 3 having some kind of history together in 1 form or another.
?-Kopi-Brown was a great pairing that never had the right left winger to play with them, and Penner-Kopi worked the few games they were together, but I’m still waiting for Penner-Kopi-Brown which seemed like a natural line combination.
by defrim65 on Nov 29, 2011 8:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Williams sucks defensively. I think we’ll see Penner-Kopi-Brown on Thursday. Or at least I hope we do, because I have no idea who’s playing right wing if Brown stays on the left.
Make Penner play RW? Can’t get any worse
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Nov 29, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Slew Foot
To me it looked like VV’s foot was between Brown’s stick and the puck and he forced the kicking motion when he swept through it to get to the puck … then yeah, totally made contact and whipped the puck through.
As far as lines go I’d like to see;
Brown_Kopi_Penner
Gagne_Richards_Williams
Then you can mix and match wings with Lokti and Stoll as centers.
And a Note on the "Inconclusive Note"
The NHL’s rules for video review don’t include any language about “conclusive” or “inconclusive” evidence. Neither do the rules say anything about evidentiary standards necessary to “overturn the ruling on the ice”. In other words, once the Video Goal Judge steps in (whether asked by the on ice officials or on his own), he decides, based on his review, whether or not the goal was good.
Rule 38 Video Goal Judge: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26326
It points back to Mike Murphy’s own explanations on his rulings; in every other case I can think of, they insist it has to be conclusive in order to turn over the ruling on the ice (which is too deferent, in the case of many calls I’ve seen). Now, he’s trying to say that it has to be conclusive in order to let the referee’s call stand.
That kind of contradiction is complete BS. And there should be a war room tracker.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
One thing I’ve wondered is what happened the Kings teams that only got stronger as a game wore on and left other teams in the dust by the middle of the 3rd period?
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
wondered the same thing.
i got the feeling that the sharks were hungry, killing us in the low corners, and stopping our breakout. every time. that means a king forward or two was out of the zone and a quick counter led to more pressure, with a low cycle by the big sharks.
that plus frankensteins monster that was the line combos led to some missed d assignments. i said it before. i think the margin for error in the nhl is like zero when it comes to defensive responsiblities. these f’in guys can thread the needle allways.
thanks quick.
Dustin Brown – Mike Richards – Stoll
I prefer Gagne and Richards. Proven chemistry and a history of handling tough minutes while destroying the opposition.
If they split them up I’ll…aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Lokti
has gotta be on his way to NH. Fraiser fits the the 4C role too well.
Brown-Kopi-Penner
Gagne-Richards-Williams
Clifford-Stoll-Lewis/Richardson
Moreau (who we all forgot we hated apparently)-Fraiser-Westie/Hunter
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Nov 29, 2011 10:19 AM PST reply actions
Yeah, The Waiver Exemption Prolly Gets Voinov, Too
And let’s be honest — Loktionov hasn’t shown much this go ’round.
Don't get me wrong
I like Lokti. He just is the odd man out unless management really hates Trevor Lewis or Richardson. Lokti just doesn’t fit the role currently of a bottom six center.
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Nov 29, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I agree, but playing wing on the defensive line was a tough first assignment. They don’t give him much opportunity to settle in.
With Richards taking over Handzus’ job, I would rather they redefine what they want out of the 3rd. The top two lines have the toughest competition. They should be able to put players out there on the third for secondary scoring. Otherwise you have an entire bottom six that just checks other 3-4th lines and rarely scores.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
someone tell me again
how many games in the bigs at center for the little russian?
is it 1?
Part of the problem with having a weak third line is that the other teams match normally and Murray doesn’t. McClellan kept throwing out one of his top two lines against Loki’s yesterday and they would spend the whole shift in the Kings zone
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
McClellan also kept mixing the most dangerous players around. Probably too fast for Murray to keep up.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Seriously though, how is it that Philly can aggressively shelter Briere and the Oilers do the same with RNH, but we can’t do the same with Lokti? If the coach was on the ball. Give me one reason.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
There isn’t a good reason, other than Murray doesn’t do it.
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
Plus Loki hasn’t played very well this call up :( (he’s been way too tentative)
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
“Open things up, but be careful defensively”
“Be more creative, but don’t get too cute”
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Lokti is probably confused as hell with TM. It would explain the tentative play. And there is no reason why he couldn’t perform well in a third line center role other than the fact he just won’t be utilized. Just like his use on the power play
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Nov 29, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Penner-Kopitar-Brown
Gagne-Richards-Williams
Hunter-Loktionov-Stoll
Clifford-Fraser-Moreau
Loktionov will probably be sent down, which would be a shame because he doesn’t even get any PP time.
I really like your line combinations...
The only changes I would make would be to sub Trevor Lewis for Hunter and Brad Richardson for Moreau.
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Nov 29, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
even though we won...
…i stand by what ive been saying:
I hate TM, Hunter, and Moreau
I like fraser so he can center clifford and lewis on the 4rth line…
Brown-Kopi-Penner—-yes both guys on their off wing…i think players are just more dangerous coming in on their off wing
Williams-Richards-Gagne——again off wings, because i want to see richards feeding one timers to both guys
Richardson-Loktionov-Stoll
thats a lot of speed on the third line which i like….
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
by card_base on Nov 29, 2011 11:51 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The refs told Terry Murray the replay was inconclusive? Er, what? Don’t any of these people follow hockey? That means the call on the ice stands
So from the many times they showed the replays and the many angles – I didn’t think you could really tell that his stick didn’t touch the puck after the skate. But you know, as I said on BoC, I wasn’t complaining. If they had called it a good goal, I would have understood too. Ah well.
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
It was a 50/50 play and instead of going with the call on the ice it probably went more like this:
“Hey we got a goal to review”
“Shit, it’s almost 1 in the morning. Who is it?”
“San Jose and L.A.”
“Screw it. No goal. I don’t care who for. If it’s L.A. we’ll find out tomorrow morning when their GM calls us morons”
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
should have never given up animation rights…
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Nov 29, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
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