Kings/Preds: Fake Live Blogging Bullets
by Quisp on Nov 8, 2011 10:12 PM PST
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Print- Watching on tape-delay.
- I hate those moustaches. I don't care if it's for a good cause. It can't help a team's confidence to look like a bunch of porn actors.
- Bernier got run over. Penalty, good.
- At least they got a shot off. Must shoot low on giant goalie. That's my theory.
- Oh no. Two man advantage. Penalty Jarred Smithson, former King pick.
- Martinez! Nice decoy by Penner, too. No point for him, but Penner made that possible.
- Goal by
Ron JeremyDoughty! Hammond did say the defense has to score more. - Clifford - Stoll - Parse is a line tonight. I like that. (Assists by Clifford and Stoll on that goal).
- Clifford - Loktionov - Parse would be better.
- Fox: "Kopitar doesn't have a point. Good news." Agreed. He can't do it all.
- Doughty on Patric Hornqvist. Drew going for a Gordie Howe hat trick? His energy is good tonight.
- Nashville goal. Hmm. Bouncing puck. I don't know who to blame on that one.
- Jack Johnson end to end. I hope he keeps this up all season. Almost snuck that one in.
- I'm pretty sure it's pronounced more-OH, not MORE-oh. Ethan Moreau , I mean.
- That was a loud check by Scuderi on Bergfors. I find it difficult to keep the various Nicholas/Nicolas/Niklas/Niclas/Nicklas spellings straight.
- Bergfors, Lidstrom, Backstrom, Deslauriers, Shore -- mix and match.
- Yes, you can blame Johnson for blowing the second clear, BUT Dustin Brown was out of position when Johnson's first pass came up the boards.
- Nice shot off the post. Can't blame Bernier.
- Williams pass instead of shot.
- Wouldn't it be great if you could trade coaches?
- 2-2. Fast-paced, high scoring. Two by defensemen. I'll take it.
- Lakso blew a tire. Stoll did nothing.
- Nice save by Bernier on Hornqvist.
- Trevor Lewis channels Mike Richards on PK.
- There's Brad Richardson . I feel like I haven't seen him all game.
- I love it when Kopitar drives wide and then cuts back to the net.
- It's USC/UCLA night at Staples? I went to UCLA. My wife went to USC. Why is this worth mentioning? I don't know.
- I would have possibly forgiven Moreau for all of his bone-headed nonsense if he had scored on that break. He even looked a little like Wayne Simmonds on that play.
- I miss Simmonds .
- I think he might even be a better fit as a defensive right wing than Dustin Brown. I'm pretty sure the numbers support that.
- I wonder if we could have gotten Mike Richards for Brown and a lesser prospect instead of Brayden Schenn and Simmonds. Probably not. And it would have ended up being Brown and Loktionov, and I would never stop crying.
- Ooh. Goal by Richards from Brown. Just to make me look bad. Beautiful hard pass, Dustin. I am enjoying my crow.
- Goals by Richards, Martinez and Doughty. Penner needs to get one, as long as we're jump-starting people.
- I think they should make the logo on these jerseys even bigger.
- PENNER! Like I said.
- Okay, it's Simon Gagne. Still, I feel good about that.
- I can't believe they didn't call a penalty on Brown there, on the turnover that led to a scoring chance for the Kings. Weird.
- Not offside. Let's rewind. Never mind. Totally offside by a mile. Good call.
- I almost never see the Kings changing up speed while carrying the puck into the zone.
- Who does Mike Richards look like? I keep thinking it's Giovanni Ribisi but that's not it.
- End of two. Does Kopi have a point yet? Maybe on the Richards goal, but I don't think so. I am agreeing with Jim Fox that this is a good thing.
- Fast-forwarding through intermission...it looks like they're interviewing Bruce Campbell...but it's...
- Brad Norton?
- Doughty lip-reading: "what the **** are you watching?!"
- Lower-body injury for Scott Parse? Uh oh.
- Is that a Greene - Scuderi pairing with 2 minutes left?
- Okay, one goal game. I don't have the energy to parse that one.
- Willie Mitchell looks like an extra from Braveheart. Maybe an attendant of Robert the Bruce.
- Greene could be in Braveheart, too. Or Rob Roy.
- Wow. They got the puck to the net with time. Greene got beaten to the puck.
- A win for Bernier.
- That's it for me. Going to bed. I just realized I forgot to update my fantasy rosters for tonight's games. Grr.
- (Nice loud spit, Drew.)
- Don't know why I'm thinking about movie actors tonight. However. In that interview, it occurred to me that Doughty (who does look like Booger from Revenge of the Nerds), also looks a little like Mark Ruffalo.
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The Kings figured out that they can enter the zone together
As opposed to one guy trying to carry it in and getting pinched by the defense… Much more pleasing to the eye than the old dump and chase…
And we actually saw Dustin Penner today… One game does not make a season though…
First of all, nobody's ever thought that. Ever.
#OccupyWinz
I think to say we saw dustin penner is a mega understatement. More like he took over this game.
by lnickerson88 on Nov 9, 2011 3:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Kings didn't figure it out,
The Preds don’t send a chaser at you to force the puck carrier. They fall back as a team to a fall back position in the nuetral zone. They seldom stagger their players through the nuetral zone, and try to force the other team to come up ice and make short 5 to 10 ft passes. The Preds came up the ice the exact same way.
Clifford/Stoll/Parse was a line last night too. I didn’t notice either though until I did my post game stat thingy.
Mike Richards looks kind of like a young Dean Lombardi…
Free Marc-André Cliche.
Jake Busey
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
by Nut on Nov 9, 2011 7:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's fantastic...
…let’s ship his ass to St. Louis already then.
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Nov 9, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
Even Strength - Fenwick/Corsi/Minutes - 11/8 vs Predators
Gagne/Kopitar/Williams************+6/ +5/ 11
Penner/Richards/Brown************+2/ -1/ 11
Clifford/Stoll/Parse/Moreau*******+3/ +1/ 9
Richardson/Lewis/Moreau/Stoll **+3/ +3/ 9
Doughty/Mitchell******************* +6/ +4/15
Scuderi/Johnson ******************+5/ +1/13
Greene/Martinez *******************+5/ +3/10
Free Marc-André Cliche.
Before last night Doughty had one of the lowest PDOs on the team (team shooting 1.8%). It’s still normalizing, but Martinez is in the same boat. It’ll come around for him, too.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Long answer: It looks at save percentage when someone is on the ice. Before last night, the Kings were only shooting 1.8% when he was on the ice but their overall shooting percentage was around 8%. That means the Kings were just getting unlucky when he was out there and that’ll change as shooting percentage normalizes.
Short answer: I don’t know what PDO stands for.
It's one of those useful stats
With a name that has nothing to do with what it stands for. There’s a lot of luck, or random variance, in both shooting and save percentages. A poster named PDO noticed that SV%+shooting% of the team when any given player is on the ice stays around 1000. Someone riding a wave where they “get all the bounces” can look godlike, someone without any breaks can look worse than they are.
When Johnson was briefly a plus 6, his PDO was over 109. The team overall was shooting 13% when he was out there (8% was the Kings average last year) and JQ was out of this world. It’s since come down to 101.5.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Seems like most of these stats don’t mean shit on a game by game basis
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
Pretty much no stat means shit with a 1-game sample because it’s only 1 piece of data. That’s why you look at a bunch of them over a period of time.
Even a single season is not a large sample.
But you can look at someone with a shooting percentage that’s higher or lower than their career averages and take a guess at where it’s going to wind up. BSH did that for their team last year.
It’s a lot more useful than saying “Whoa that guy has 2 goals in 5 games!!!” (Voynov!!)
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
It’s a lot more useful than saying "Whoa that guy has 2 goals in 5 games!!!" (Voynov!!)
That’s real, though.
by RudyKelly on Nov 9, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
are we supposed to pretend that two goals in five games is insignificant, just because it isn't 20 or 30 in 80 games?
personally, I find small sample sizes interesting and useful, depending on context. for example, bernier two years ago. he came up, won three games, stopped the bleeding and possibly got us a playoff spot. does that mean he was going to go 600-0 on his career, with a lifetime GAA of .010 or whatever? No. It just means that he won all three of his starts at a time when the team sucked. so it is with voynov. He scored 2 in 5. that’s an achievement in and of itself.
And Fabian Brunnstrom scored three goals in his first game, so he should be in the hall of game, right?
It's fine to notice
But my point is it can lead to some over-optimistic projections.
I think small sample sizes can lead to a lot of hasty decisions. If you took, say, Bernier’s first three games with the Kings last year, you’d think he should never be allowed in net ever again.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
there’s a pretty strong correlation between shots directed at net (shots/fenwick/corsi) and winning even on a game by game basis. Breaking the totals down per line is just a way to look at what may have been contributing (or impeding) that. It’s obviously not the whole picture but interesting to look at for some people (nerds).
Free Marc-André Cliche.
Doughty and Mark Sanchez sound exactly alike
in fact, they look alike as well.
Could they be long, lost brothers?
Totally agree on the MOREoh thing. It really bugs me and its especially annoying when were playing dallas because the kings announcers pronounce brenden morrow’s name exactly the same way.
by lnickerson88 on Nov 9, 2011 3:21 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I told you Doughty and Martinez and Penner wouldn’t shoot 0% all year. Yay regression to some means.
It’s a lot more fun than predicting JJ’s plus status was in jeopardy.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Not to put a damper on the Penner love fest, he did play a good game, but how does he get an assist on Richards’ goal? He never touched the puck. Mitchell should get the second assist.
NHL fairy godmother lifted the curse, went a little bit overboard.
Let’s take it.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Per the Crazy Old Aunt in the Attic: Terry Murray says Parse’s lower-body injury is “a little more than day to day.”
Can we conjure up a Loktionov?
Oops. This from the Ministry of Propaganda: Today, the Kings are expected to put Scott Parse on injured reserve and activate Colin Fraser for the first time this season.
To quote Gabby Johnson in Blazing Saddles “Aww prairie shit!”
I’d rather see Colin Quinn out there than Colin Fraser. Shitballs.
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Nov 9, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
shit… i’d rather see martha quinn…
What Would JeZus do?
by Jack-Handy on Nov 9, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ummm excuse me?!?
Quisp, usually I am in complete agreement with you …
• I hate those moustaches. I don’t care if it’s for a good cause. It can’t help a team’s confidence to look like a bunch of porn actors.
Sorry wrong.
It’s a million times better than wearing pink. Why the fuck can’t some other color fight cancer?
by meetyourmako on Nov 9, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, if anyone can watch Versus right now, DO. Kings East is trolling the hell out of Tampa Bay’s 1-3-1 system. They just hold on to the puck and skate in circles while TB refuses to forecheck.
HAHAHA
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
I'm kind of surprised that the tampa players are such automatons that they refuse even to enter the zone.
I would go farther. I would leave the puck unattended in the corner and dare them to go get it. Or even leave it right in the slot and kind of move away from it inch by inch to see when they make a break for it.
this is some roger neilsson shit. eventually the “1” in the 1-3-1 would have to go for the puck, right? Say, when the opposing defensemen were at the faceoff dots and the puck was sitting in the slot. At which point, it’s a race. As soon as the guy commits.
On the other hand, refusing to play the puck is a penalty.
Why not have one defenseman just charge at the “1” guy full tilt and the other one pass it intentionally to the “1” so that if he receives the pass he gets clobbered by the charging defenseman and if he doesn’t it’s a pass to a breaking forward and an outnumbered attack.
by Quisp on Nov 9, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they should make a new rule that says:
if the puck is in team A’s defensive zone
and all of team b is in the neutral zone (i.e. between the blue lines)
then team a is allowed to ice the puck AND
they’re allowed to make passes from their d zone to a player in team b’s d zone (i.e. a pass across two blue lines — i.e. no offsides and no icing under those circumstances).
Quisp
That was fun reading. Too bad you didn’t do it during the game. It’s almost like you didn’t want to talk to us or something. lol
So I know we generally frown upon it here (and I get why) but after someone proposed a Rick Nash offer the other day it got me thinking and after thinking for a while I decided I love the idea of him on the LW with Richards or Kopi. So, I’m going to throw a thought out there and watch it get trashed or ignored…I just can’t help myself.
Bernier, Voynov, Penner and a 2nd for Nash (and even then it’s short by 700K, roughly I think). I know there are warts involved but just wanted to hear what others thought…
sub martinez for voynov and id say....probably not...
…ride this roster out and go for parise next yr…let stoll walk…let penner go…
bring up lokti for good…get the beautiful Oscar Moller back from across the pond….and maybe toffoli is ready for a shot….
that would be better for me….Parise Kopi Moller line would be fun to watch…i dont care what TM says it will work…OM is virtually JW 2.0 but with less turnovers at the blue lines….
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
by card_base on Nov 9, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't part with Bernier yet
He’s the part of JZ’s proposal that is most crucial to the Kings this year. As nice as it would be to bring Nash on board, the depth that the Kings have in goal with Quick and Bernier is a wonderful thing, especially since we’ve seen what happens when Murray doesn’t fully trust his backup goalie. Since Jones has not been tested at all at the NHL level, I still say that the Kings hang onto both as long as they possibly can; i.e., at least through this season.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
my thoughts exactly
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
not going to get a superstar for two prospects, a problem and a pick
think more along the richards trade
nash for…brown and johnson
remember, such a trade would have to be painful
Kings +/- Per 60
5v5_+-per60 = 0.0 (19th in the League)
5v4_+-per60= 4.4 (21st in the league)
4v5_+-per60= -3.8 (11th in the league)
~Who are the guys bogging own the PP numbers? OK so our PP +-per60 = 4.4. Who are the guys who have gotten significant time on the PP (TOI/60 of 1.5 or greater) that fall below that 4.4 mark?
~Doughty 1.86, Gagne 3.56, Brown 3.7, Kopitar 3.8, Richards 3.99, Stoll 4.29
~Which person of the same group of guys who has received significant PP time leads the team with a hefty 8.72? Hint -He is currently not on the team but in the minors.
~who are the guys bogging down our Even Strength numbers?
~Clifford (-1.0), Moreau (-1.1), Hunter (-1.2) and Westgarth (-1.9)
~Having all these guys on the club at the same time who are not traditionally very productive players is proving to be nearly catastrophic. We should only have 1 of the these 4 on the team and that 1 is Kyle Clifford but in all truth he really should be in the minors right now anyway. Maybe none of these dudes should be on the Los Angeles Kings roster as hard as it is for me to say because I love Clifford.
~In other news, Pittsburg is +0.8 on the PK. Wow.
Free Marc-André Cliche.
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