Everybody Wants Brayden: Five Reasons To Keep Our Best Prospect at the Deadline
Jim Fox: "Everybody wants Brayden Schenn, I would imagine you’re not tempted to give up on him."
Dean Lombardi: "No, it would have to be really something significant. The way his stock has risen here with the World Juniors and what he’s done. It would have to be really special and quite frankly I don’t think he’s going anywhere."
It made my heart glad to hear that yesterday. But the Schenn rumors are, of course, still humming along. Puck Daddy noted that Lombardi also proclaimed "Brayden Schenn is not going anywhere," and mulled over what he sees as mixed signals: ""Don't think" vs. "not going." Hmmmm ..."
In other words: So you're saying there's a chance!
To me, though, those remarks didn't signal any shift in Lombardi's thinking. We've heard things like this through the grapevine before.
Bob McKenzie's Blog, 2/22/11
Dallas centre Brad Richards is unquestionably a person of interest for the Kings, but his current medical status, that is to say concussed, is clouding the issue somewhat. Other targets for L.A. may include Edmonton's Ales Hemsky, and to a lesser extent Dustin Penner, and Florida's David Booth. Los Angeles has plenty of draft picks and young prospects in Manchester but if the Kings are to part with Brayden Schenn or, and this is a real long shot, Wayne Simmonds, it's going to take an astronomical contract player coming back. Personally, I would be leery of any Kings' trade rumor involving Simmonds or any other young, core player on the Kings' roster.
That bit of information didn't make waves five days ago. Why? Because it matched Kings fans' understanding of the situation and how much value the organization places on him. He is considered too valuable to give up for anything less than a special player.
That possibility isn't ruled out entirely, but it is portrayed as unlikely. When Lombardi talked to Sportsnet, he probably spoke from the belief that there weren't any suitable options on the table. If Hemsky fit his criteria, a trade would already have been made.
This news is no news. But why is Schenn so important to hang on to? Here are five reasons why retaining him is a good idea for the Kings organization -- and the reasons I believe Lombardi isn't just posturing where Schenn is concerned.
1. Talent
For one thing, to the Kings, Brayden Schenn is not "just a prospect." At 19, he acquitted himself well in his eight NHL games this year, even while playing out of his natural position. He showed he had areas to work on, but also made it difficult to send him back to juniors. In fact, Lombardi delayed that decision for as long as he possibly could. The desire to avoid burning up a year of his entry-level contract, combined with the preference to have him keep developing at center, was likely the tipping point.
But Lombardi firmly believes he will be a good player in the NHL, and soon. So do other GMs -- otherwise, they wouldn't be having those conversations. His MVP performance at the World Juniors only cemented this feeling. The fact that he's put up 44 points in 20 games with the Blades hasn't hurt, either.
Nothing is ever certain in this world, but Schenn holds more value than most prospects for a reason.
2. Future need
Another reason why Schenn holds more value for the Kings than he might to other clubs is because he addresses one of our biggest future needs: depth at center. Handzus becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer, and Stoll only has one more season left on his contract. Instead of overspending for UFA centers, or potentially losing another valuable player in a trade, Schenn could hit the roster at just the right time -- and he'll be good, young, and cheap.
3. Question marks on possible trade return
Some think the Kings can't afford to worry about the future because they need help now. But what kind of immediate help is in the offing? How big of an impact could a trade make? Would anyone out there be too good to pass up?
According to LeBrun, the Kings have three targets, in this order: Brad Richards, Ales Hemsky, and David Booth. While all are talented, in my opinion only the 30-year-old Richards meets the description of a "very special" player -- and he's not long under contract. On top of that, he is currently out with a concussion. We know which player would be able to provide the most help, but we have no idea when he'd be able to provide it. And he'll be the prize of free agency this summer.
So even if Dallas is willing to move him -- which is far from clear at this point -- it could be a very expensive rental, even if he recovers quickly. With so many question marks about his health and willingness to re-sign, I don't think I would risk giving up many future years of Schenn. On the other hand, he'd be the only name worthy of a big trade. I still don't believe Dallas would give him up to a division rival, even so.
If Hemsky and Booth are next on the list, I expect Lombardi is offering other prospects or players.
4. The team is doing well
The Kings aren't yet a lock to make the playoffs, but they're not alone, either: ten other teams in the West are in a similar position. Only two are really safe, and very few are truly out of it. Is that reason enough to panic? Not with the way they've put it together lately. The current group has gone 11-1-3 against stiff competition, and are holding their own even though they're the youngest team in the bunch.
Pundits can wail that their lofty expectations for the Kings' development curve haven't been met yet, but in Lombardi's view, last year they broke out ahead of schedule. Considering that they have called upon several rookies this season (Clifford, Martinez, Lewis, Bernier, and Loktionov), the team's climb to fifth place is pretty impressive. But we have seen signs that they still need more experience.
The playoffs are a realistic goal -- they now only need a 9-8-3 record to make it to 95 points. That's a far better position than they were in just a month ago. Now is not the moment to feel desperate. The Kings are a team with the potential to do some damage in the post-season, and are still on the rise.
5. Our window is long
With Doughty, Kopitar, Quick, Johnson, Brown, Simmonds, and Bernier all still very young, this won't be our only shot at the dance. Lombardi believes in the worth of this young core, and doesn't want to break it up. He has managed the cap very carefully in order to do so. If Schenn could become another important part of that core, why mess with it for the sake of a temporary fix?
So far there is no evidence to indicate that AEG is currently unhappy with Lombardi, the job he is doing, or his plan to build from within. They gave him an extension last summer. They supported his decision to only go so far in his pursuit of Kovalchuk so that players like Doughty could be locked up long-term. All the supposed concerns I read about are pure speculation. This methodical approach, where trades and free agent signings are made only if they help the core, is actually nothing new. But if this supposed pressure is enough to finally make DL do something uncharacteristic, well -- I'll believe it when I see it.
Yes, we could use a top six player, but not at any cost. Lombardi should stick to his guns, and the fanbase supports him on this one. Unless an ideal situation presents itself, don't move him. There are too many good reasons to have Brayden Schenn remain a King for a very long time.
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Great summary
It would be nice of this could be posted to every site where people are ignorantly questioning why Dean won’t give up Schenn for Hemksy, et. al.
This article was a response to reading that sort of thing all day long, I confess.
It’s astonishing how many people who don’t regularly follow the Kings know exactly what they “have” to do right now. Meanwhile, the fanbase’s desire to keep Schenn appears to be virtually unanimous.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Bang-up summation, Niesy
Well-said on every point.
The only thing I would add is that I took Dean’s comments on Schenn literally, and was surprised that he didn’t unconditionally take him off the table. I have always assumed that he was absolutely untouchable, so I kind of came at it from another direction.
But I agree with you that we can safely dismiss any Schenn trade rumors. When Dean said it would take something “special” to pry Schenn out of his grasp, I think he meant a trade package so valuable that it would make him do a Roger Rabbit-style double-take.
I have no worries whatsoever about him panicking and selling the Kings’ future. He has the will of iron. And if he doesn’t, then he’s not the GM we think he is, simple as that.
However, years from now, we’ll look back on that interview and remember it chiefly for the schtick with Fox and the $10 bill.
"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim
But I agree with you that we can safely dismiss any Schenn trade rumors. When Dean said it would take something "special" to pry Schenn out of his grasp, I think he meant a trade package so valuable that it would make him do a Roger Rabbit-style double-take.
Yes, this. I think he meant it in the sense that if a massive return or a rare chance at getting an elite talent is staring you in the face, you don’t automatically pass up on it. But that kind of return is not going to be fetched by a great prospect, so the possibility is remote (well, there was Lindros to Philly, but we’re not talking that level here). His last sentence is still “I don’t think he’s going anywhere.” People will say, “Oh, he could be lying” but keeping Schenn is still remarkably consistent with everything he’s done before.
I hope someone put that interview up on Youtube. Cracks me up every time. I will have to check.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
But I agree with you that we can safely dismiss any Schenn trade rumors. When Dean said it would take something "special" to pry Schenn out of his grasp, I think he meant a trade package so valuable that it would make him do a Roger Rabbit-style double-take.
Agreed. I think it was like “if the Caps offer us Ovechkin for Schenn, obviously we do that, but short of a proven 90-100 point per season young guy coming over in exchange, Schenn isn’t moving.”
Right, or if you have a shot at a Nash or a Parise, for sure you put Schenn in that package. Still doesn’t mean it’s going to get done, but you’d be remiss not to try.
For me, it’s all about maximizing value. Schenn seems to fit our future core very well; don’t just give him up for the wrong thing.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Well Hsmky will give you the kind of pplayer you sorely lack and also is one of the best in the nhl right now as evidenced by his ESp/60. Signed to one more year, so he is not a rental. He will help the team win in the nest two year while Schenn wont!
Rebuild is a convenient excuse for GMs who dont wish to do their jobs
Three points in response:
1) My understanding is that Hemsky is a natural RW. The Kings are short at LW, but relatively well-stocked at RW (Williams, Brown, Simmonds, Clifford). Unless Hemsky is very comfortable on the other wing, he’s actually not a perfect fit for the Kings.
2) It’s not entirely clear (at least to me) that the Oilers are actively interested in trading Hemsky. Over at Copper and Blue, there seems to be a strong body of opinion that he’s worth keeping because he’s young enough to be part of the Oilers’ rebuild, and that he shouldn’t be traded unless the return is eye-popping. Yes, the Kings could use another scorer. But overpaying for a player at the trade deadline is never wise unless you believe in some Mayan prophecy that the world is going to end before the beginning of the next season. And if the Oilers are determined to keep Hemsky, there’s no point in even talking about trading for him.
3) Your smug certainty that Schenn will not contribute much in the next couple of years is misguided. Every player who performs his assigned job at better than the league average is an important part of a successful team. Schenn projects to start next season as 3rd or 4th-line center, depending on Loktionov’s health, with the opportunity to move up to 2nd line if he plays that well. As long as he makes an exceptionally good 3rd or 4th line center, he will contribute substantially to the success of next year’s team.
"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim
except he won't because the kings don't need ales hemsky
his P/60 is excellent. His A1/60 is even better. but frankly we’re in need of goals. And hemsky’s G/60 is not even as good as ex-Kings Brian Boyle, Matt Moulson or Teddy Purcell. I’m not sure what my point is, except that that’s pretty funny.
I would rather have ten years of Schenn than two of Hemsky.
But, hey, I’m sure we’re willing to give you a bunch of guys you don’t want, and some picks.
Wait till this year.
Well, I believe McKenzie and LeBrun when they say we’re interested in Hemsky — there are injury concerns (as with all those three names LeBrun listed) and it doesn’t fix the LW sniper problem, but even a playmaker type would be an upgrade in skill. The problem is the price. Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Washington, LA all say it’s too much. He brings valuable support to the Oilers, so they aren’t in any hurry to move him. I hope we keep Schenn, they keep Hemsky, and everyone winds up happy.
But if Schenn for Hemsky ever goes down, I will not like what that will represent. It’s not even two years of Hemsky — it’d be around 102 games (if healthy) plus any playoffs. All for a younger, long-term asset that happens to fit another major need going forward.
There are surely less costly options out there.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Of course, I agree with both of you guys
But if we take this statement by Quisp (with which I agree, but be that as it may):
I would rather have ten years of Schenn than two of Hemsky.
I think that represents a much different perspective than that expressed by SumOil’s sig line. I get the feeling that for SumOil, looking ahead 1.25 seasons in advance is about as long as long-term gets. I think these two different attitudes will simply talk past each other.
"Prepare your bladder for imminent release!" — Invader Zim
i think in a lot of cases people just want to "win" the trade deadline
and they get kinda put-out if you suggest their pet fantasy trade doesn’t make any sense. Thus, the attitude of “you HAVE to want Hemsky and you HAVE to give up SCHENN or you suck.” To me, what that really says is, “we know we’re going to lose this guy, so we better get somebody for him.” It’s trade deadline fever for the sellers. They’re not dreaming about Richards or whoever, because they can’t. They’re dreaming about the best prospect they can possibly get their hands on. And this year, that’s Schenn.
Wait till this year.
Niesy, wow! Classic summation. Great job!
I don’t why there’s all this talk of the Kings making a dramatic move. :/ …. We are on schedule and exactly where we need to be. The team has been close to brilliant in the last 14 or so games to boot.
Patience is going to allow us to get the player we need but to keep as much of the future talent as possible. There is very little out there worthwhile enough that we should even think about sending Schenner (or any other good prospect) for in a trade. We just need to play it safe and enjoy the development curve. :)
Hi again kiosku! I think what’s good about this right now is that a dramatic move is possible, but it’s not necessary.
Something’s got to happen at LW, I should think, but I don’t think I’ve seen so much agreement from Kings fans on any subject in a long while. If it’s Schenn or nothing, we want Schenn.
Now it’s time to go set up my Bernie Nicholls cards for luck.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Hey Niesy! May Bernie bring us good luck today… No desperation deals. :/
Not worried though, Deano should stay the course. He’s showing some real faith in Williams…
by kiosku2 on Feb 28, 2011 8:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Williams deal seems like a nice trade-off for both sides. He was already being discussed as the best RW about to hit free agency; he could have gotten more on the open market, I’m sure. But Dean also offered him term. It’s clear JW likes it here, though, and that makes me happy.
Love the Dub!
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
It might be the term because even with William’s injury issues, we got a good deal. The way some of these teams overpay on July 1st, he stood to possibly make significantly more on the UFA market… I also forget that he’s still rather young…
by kiosku2 on Feb 28, 2011 11:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes our window is very long indeed (that's what she said)
We don’t need to win it this year or next year, hell we’re just happy being in the playoffs…
Dean, don’t listen to these media knuckleheads saying there’s pressure from the fanbase to make a move… Because there isn’t, we’re happy with the direction we’re going…
But hey, if Edmonton will give us Ales Hemsky for Kevin Westgarth, I’m all for it…
"Drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. And by "we" I mean you.
Quisp - Beautifully reasoned comments
That’s why I have your site bookmarked. I don’t mean to sound snobby – but I can only take so much talk about getting Parise or Nash which would be as absurd as another team grabbing Drew Doughty. But I understand that people have every right to fantasize.
Anyway, every single point you bring up makes perfect perfect sense.
I couldn’t agree more. Especially what you say about the core being so young. I actually make one modification. Not only that they will have another kick at the can, but that they will hopefully be even more prepared and better structured (hopefully) in the next year or two to do so.
If they become even stronger up the middle and find a way to create a ‘real’ first line instead of a makeshift first line, that will make them even more formidable.
Via Bob McKenzie
LAK Justin Williams signs a four year deal worth $14.6M
Don’t know about the length, but great value if healthy…
"Drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. And by "we" I mean you.
Contract is portable enough that JWill can be part of a bunch of trade rumors next year and the year after.
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 7:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Now TSNBobMac reporting JWill signed for 4 years at 14.6mm. That’s good news, right?
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 7:07 AM PST via mobile reply actions
ninjas everywhere
I got ninja’d
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 7:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I first thought “zOMG Simmonds!”, but then… looking at the LW market out there, I just don’t see anything that would be worth moving Simmonds.
Moller however could be very much at play. Especially if DL is committed to keeping TM as the coach for a season or 2. I’m not saying Moller doesn’t stand a chance in the Murray system, but it will be difficult for him. However, you hate to see players that you traded because they weren’t a fit in your system thrive under a different system.
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Does that make us more likely to trade another one of our RW?
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 7:12 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Hmm, dunno. Brown, Simmonds, Williams…that looks nice going forward.
I expect trades for a LW or a top six upgrade to happen today. I still think Sturm was waived for a reason. Whether the move will be big enough to placate the TSN Trade Center babble mob remains to be seen!
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Or, here’s a thought — it might be another sign that things are a no-go with Hemsky.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
I hope not. The only way that trade makes sense to me is if there’s more to the vague rumors about locker room issues we heard earlier this season.
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
I just don’t see it happening. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing. More likely offseason.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
by USHA#17 on Feb 28, 2011 7:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Neisy, Great Bottom Line!
I may hem and haw (is that right?) and moan about the little things but I know a good thing when I see it. In the modern cap era it takes a determined long term plan to build anything other then a one shot and out club.
Clearly climbing back with five rookies in the lineup is a clarion call to sit back and enjoy the ride. I imagine a lot of GMs would gladly trade a midlevel player to be in our shoes.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
by USHA#17 on Feb 28, 2011 7:35 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Hey USHA! I’m glad you liked it. It’s our eternal right as fans to hem and haw, though — there probably wouldn’t be any sports sites without it. It’s because we care so much. But when I sat back and thought about how many kids we were breaking in, it made me appreciate where they are.
I’m very happy with the thought of our prospect pool feeding more talent to us in the near future. We’re going to have to trade some away, to be sure, but dang. Vey, Toffoli, Jones, Kitsyn, all our defensemen — there are so many kids besides Schenn to get excited about. It’s a good time to have assets, indeed.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Laugh of the AM
I was looking at THN and saw a Wings fan comment that the Wongs (no spelling error) should consider offering LA a draft pick for Loktonov…
Had to be the best of the morning. Gotta go, chat more tonight
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
by USHA#17 on Feb 28, 2011 9:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
First trade of the day
Dvorak and 5th rd pick to Atlanta; Niclas Bergfors and Patrick Rissmiller to Florida…
Err, Rick Dudley just got mugged…
"Drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die. And by "we" I mean you.
Wow.
Well, let’s see. Florida is one of our potential trading partners. I wonder if this is a precursor.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Keep Schenn! Period. Brad Richards has a concussion and is a UFA next year correct? Well then he’s off the table. Never like trading solid prospects for potential rentals and Dean and Co. are proving themselves to be above the old-school theatrics of previous Kings managment. Aren’t we all glad the Kings passed on Kovalsuck? I am.
I’d like to see the Kings get Booth, I like Simmonds but I think he is tradeable, really looked sharp vs. the Wild and has done some good work on Kopi’s line but has to STOP taking bad realitation penalties as well as be a more consistent scorer.
Yes, I think a lot Kings fans are well aware of our trading history, and are weary of that formula. Meanwhile TSN is figuring all the ways we could blow $22 mil in capspace, just because.
Moves don’t always improve a team right away — look at Nashville’s recent record. I’m to the point again where I’d rather not hear anything than be excited about something coming up.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
I had to laugh – you can tell Bissonnette has his priorities straight:
His latest tweet:
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaack. Officially no single guys besides me on the coyotes. @samilepisto to columbus. And my boy @ScottieUpshall 2. #FML
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 10:06 AM PST reply actions

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