That's a Great Deal for Justin Williams
by Quisp on Feb 28, 2011 10:27 AM PST
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PrintFour-year extension for Williams " LA Kings Insider
Justin Williams has agreed to a four-year contract extension with the Kings, worth $14.6 million. That’s a salary-cap hit of $3.65 million. Williams is currently tied for the team lead with 20 goals and will turn 30 in October.
Seriously. He's been getting $3.5MM for the last five years. Past injuries obviously keep his price down a bit, but he's having, if not a career year (he had been on a career-best pace but has tapered off a bit lately), a year that is of a piece with his two best seasons in Carolina. There was really no way Williams was going to get less than that $3.5MM on the open market, and I had been worrying that he might have his sights set on more, especially after his comments back in the fall about this being his contract year.
$3.65MM, therefore, seems about as low as you can go. I'm thinking Lombardi was able to get the number down by offering a longer term, which is something other teams might have been unwilling to do because of Williams's injury history. But that (the term) doesn't bother me, because the contract is tradeable. I believe this to be a tenet of Lombardi's, aside from just being (often-ignored) good common sense. Don't make deals that you can't get rid of if they don't work out.
As we've seen, Lombardi just doesn't do the "I've got to have this guy, no matter the cost!" deals. He doesn't trade for them, he doesn't sign them.
And, no, I don't think having Williams, Dustin Brown and Wayne Simmonds on the right side means that there is no room for Oscar Moller (currently playing RW, though he's a natural center), not to mention Tyler Toffoli. Players can play their off-wing. And, in any case, though that's a pretty great top three RWs (Williams, Brown, Simmonds), there is still room for another top six RW. At the risk of upsetting people, neither Dustin Brown nor Wayne Simmonds have fully staked their claim to a top six spot. Simmonds has shown the proverbial "flashes." Brown has played like a top-six about half the time, but spends the other half playing like a third-line energy guy, running people and coughing up the puck. If he is really a third liner, he's one of the best ever. I'm not down on Brown. But I can see a version of the Kings' future where, say in three years, the Kings have a real sniper on the right, and only one of Brown or Simmonds remains.
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And, no, I don’t think having Williams, Dustin Brown and Wayne Simmonds on the right side means that there is no room for Oscar Moller (currently playing RW, though he’s a natural center), not to mention Tyler Toffoli.
Oh, I wouldn’t think that…just wondering when he’ll pop up. This year if nothing else happens at the deadline/next year should be the time, yes?
Williams could have gotten more money for a shorter term in free agency. Dean gets a contract he can trade if need be. I think it’s a win for both sides. I like that Williams would rather stay with us here, though. He’s a gamer.
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I was totally wrong
I said they would not resign any of the UFA’s this year. I was wrong about that. I think it is a good contract, and hopefully he can stay healthy and exceed our expectations.
by Clever Kings Handle on Feb 28, 2011 10:57 AM PST reply actions
This is Williams’ first season healthy in how many years?
As a huge Lombardi fan, I don’t like the length of this deal one bit.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2011 11:00 AM PST reply actions
It depends on whether you view his injury-riddled seasons as a chronic thing, or independent events. He’s gotten over his knee. Last year he was doing fabulous until he broke his leg — I still remember watching that on TV, it was a fluke thing.
We have the space to deal with anyhing if the worse happens. I’m not at all surprised DL did this.
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Yeah I agree . Great deal for both sides. Williams is one of the better even strength forwards in the NHL this year. It is also awesome that despite being “demoted” to the 3rd line he has remained as productive and is seemingly playing with the same level of intensity as before. Also his contract will be up when he’s 34, I believe. As a comparison Ryan Smyth is currently 35. In his age 28 year (his age 29 year, Williams’ current age, was the lock out) Ryan Smyth scored 23 goals and 36 assists. He was then making ~3.5 a season and got a %114 raise after two 36 goal seasons at age 32.
Penner
Penner for Treubert, 1st and Conditional 3rd
by Clever Kings Handle on Feb 28, 2011 11:26 AM PST reply actions
Hopefully that pick’s about 20th-25th overall and Teubert doesn’t turn out. TSN keeps saying that’s a huge bounty to pay for Penner.
by King of Saskatchewan on Feb 28, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I think TSN is contracturally obligated to talk about Canadian teams
I think we got a good deal. We do need some more speed though, but I was not high on Hemsky.
by Clever Kings Handle on Feb 28, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by BoulderDodger on Feb 28, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
The TSN "old guy panel" loves the trade for LA
But they have been my least favorite panel all day.
by Clever Kings Handle on Feb 28, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
YES.
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by BoulderDodger on Feb 28, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Uff da, please no. I’m really not sure we need another big body on that side. Speed should be what we’re going for, maybe toss a conditional pick to Philadelphia and take Zherdev off their hands.
Zherdev
Was on waivers, went unclaimed.
I was enticed by his skill for his one year in NY, but man did he completely disappear after Torts became the coach and especially during the playoffs.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Feb 28, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Have to disagree
I think Penner will be a great fit during the playoffs, especially in front of the net on the PP.
Very good move by Dean, IMO.
I like Penner a lot; and he’s actually a left wing. It’s odd that all the trade talk was directed at Hemsky in the end, was that misdirection or something?
Though I do wonder why, of all our D prospects, they wanted Teubs. Excellent deal for us.
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It depends on how we do in the playoffs
So I hope it becomes a 2nd, I would have no problem with that.
by Clever Kings Handle on Feb 28, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Zherdev? Why trade a pick when LA could;ve had him for nothing when he was waived. This is perfect for LA. They are going to have to cycle, forecheck and bang for their offense. One player on this day wasn’t going to change the entire offense LA has used pretty much all year. Penner will hit and forecheck with Brown or Simmonds. He plays hard and tough and will fit on this team. Teubert is still a project and wasn’t exactly a lock to play on the Kings blueline in the future. We had a pick to deal, I like the trade a lot. Good day for Deano, locking up Williams and going out on the line to get somebody that will help and didn’t lose a roster player.
I think that’s a good trade for Penner. i know you can never have enough young talent, but our farm system is so stacked with prospects and our team is one of the youngest teams in the league anyways. Where did Teubert even fit in? Voynov Hickey and Forbort are ahead of him. Our veterans on D are signed up for the next few years as well.
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by BoulderDodger on Feb 28, 2011 11:36 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Totally my thoughts...
I like Penner and he is a BIG body with good hands around the net….and we are darn loaded on defense….
im suprised we didnt throw in drewiske also??? but alas i think kings fans have something to look forward to having Penner on our PP!
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yep, we needed an upgrade on the PP. He’s also here for 1 more year which doesn’t make him a rental, but also doesn’t make him intrude on Dean’s long term plan to keep his core group
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by BoulderDodger on Feb 28, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
i have no problem with:
2012-2013
Doughty, Johnson, Scuderi, Greene, Voynov/Hickey/Forbort/Martinez/etc.
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by BoulderDodger on Feb 28, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Great Monday!
I’m more excited about the Williams signing. Currently our most talented winger and he’s proven he can put up numbers when he’s healthy. I’m not buying the injury prone tag; those were more freakish than the types of injuries that keep re-occuring. Four years might be a bit much (I’d prefer 3) but at that cap-hit, good deal for both parties.
Picking up Penner is big for this season and next. Cap friendly if you project him to score 25-30 goals (wonder if that goes up if he plays with Kopitar consistently). And with the organizational depth on defense (Hickey, Voynov, Muzzin in the minors, not to mention Doughty, Johnson, Martinez, and Greene), the Kings made out great on this deal.
Any word on when he plays? Tonight against Detroit might be too soon depending on where he is right now but Thursday for sure with a big game against Phoenix.
great monday indeed. I hope he’s able to make it for thursday’s game! This is why I love cheering for the Kings. Their system is built so well that we can trade a former first round pick and another future first rounder and not fret about it. The Dodgers on the other hand……..
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by BoulderDodger on Feb 28, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Too soon.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 28, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
I would have to guess that Dean is done for the day, but there are still 15 minutes left
- rocks back and forth
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he’s still in good spirits! his two favorite players are still Kings (knocks on wood)
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by BoulderDodger on Feb 28, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
So, to sum up so far:
We didn’t lose any roster players, we didn’t lose Schenn, and we went from Sturm-still-getting-up-to-speed to a top line LW with size and skill. Win.
Is the LA Times gonna find some way to throw a fit about that? I thought, when Sturm was claimed, that we’d have to wait until Monday to pass judgment. We were right.
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its like looking into a crystal ball. I bet she pulls something like that.
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by BoulderDodger on Feb 28, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
ROFL, so true
Kings dealt from a surplus (young defensemen) to fill a hole (scoring). Penner isn’t a rental since he’s signed for next year at a reasonable cap hit. I can’t wait for the GM breakfast on Sunday! Dean, Hextall, and company should get a nice ovation.
She actually said that the ’11 draft was likely thin. But that was on Twitter. She may have a different take for the “published” stuff.
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Over/under on "Kings Bounty" headlines?
3.5. Place your bets.
by King of Saskatchewan on Feb 28, 2011 11:55 AM PST reply actions
Make that "Kings Ransom"...
Yahoo! scores the first one.
by King of Saskatchewan on Feb 28, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Wait for it...
All last week were the “Dean has no stones” stories, and I have a feeling we’re about to hear the “Dean drastically overpaid” stories.
Siggghhhh…
definitely got the over on that one
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by BoulderDodger on Feb 28, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Love the JW re-sign, like the Penner deal
What strikes me about JW’s new contract is that he really must like to play for the Kings, which is a double-extra good sign. He definitely could have gotten more money on the UFA market. Look at it this way: Both Frolov and Ponikarovsky got a bit more than $3 mil/year, and Williams is out-producing both of them combined.
I’m not worried about his injury history. I think his modest cap hit when he’s healthy is the biggest feature of this deal. If he has to go on IR, his contract will not count against the cap.
As for the Penner deal, I was kind of hoping we’d see Teubert pan out, but let’s face it, he was completely off the radar this year. And Lombardi dealt from his one area of surplus. So I think it’s a solid move.
What this tells me is that Dean is doubling down on the team’s style of play. He didn’t add a quicksilver skill guy, he added another big net-crasher with skills. In other words, the team doesn’t need to change, it needs to do what it does better. I’m good with that.
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Love Williams as well. He’s only 29 but is a proven scorer and he’s won the Cup. I’m sure he would have gotten more as a UFA, especially if the cap goes up as anticipated. His numbers look even better considering he doesn’t get a lot of first unit PP time and is playing on the second line so to speak.
same can be said about penner ;).. minus the first until PP time.
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by BoulderDodger on Feb 28, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
HELENE ELLIOT
was just on Puck Daddy Radio bitching about the Williams deal and saying resigning him was too expensive and getting penner was still just a stopgap and not the elite sniper this team needs….
i just laughed at her….then remembered we just got a damn good player, maybe edm best foward, for almost nothing….i mean no core players and draft picks we almost dont need….
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
Oh god, are you serious?
Of course this isn’t good enough. We HAVE the cap space. We WON THE TRADE. We could well afford both moves!
I’d bet if we lost Williams to free agency, she’d be on and on about the gaping hole at RW this summer. This is ridiculous.
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I’m really starting to wonder about her. I’ve emailed her a few times and she was very gracious in her responses but her views on the Smyth deal, Scuderi & Mitchell signings were so out if left field it was crazy. I don’t often accuse people of bias but I don’t know what else to settle on other than thinking Dean stole a cab from her at some point.
The cynic in me thinks LAT may want to stir up controversy and rile people up. OTOH she might think that taking the opposite position of management on everything is the only way to be a critical reporter. Not true.
Meanwhile TSN loves this move, and is now predicting the Kings will go deeper in the playoffs. And the vast majority of Kings fans are elated we have Williams and care nothing about losing Teubert or picks.
Time to wake up to reality.
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i dont like losing potential solid NHL players….
but i would have been downright sad had we let guys like voynov, loktionov or schenn slip away….we do have an abundance of good prospects, and im just glad it wasnt one of my favs…thats all…
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
Do the Kings really need a "sniper"?
Assuming Stoll can get three more goals the rest of the season, we’d have six players with 20+ goals: Kopitar, Williams, Smyth, Stoll, Brown, and Penner. Usually good playoff teams have strong defense, goaltending, and balanced scoring right?
Hit the Nail on the Head
With the balance this team has a (disruptive) sniper isn’t needed…at least not at this point.
I like Penner but never thought he could be had at a reasonable price. But man, what a steal and no disruption to the building process.
Feels like everyone had it wrong and it was Edmonton and not the Kings who were on the spot to do something.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
because, you know, elite snipers (much less elite LW snipers) can be found everywhere
by uvgt2bkdnme on Feb 28, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And I think the Kings are really designed to get around that by using cannons as opposed to sniper rifles (Doughty, Johnson, Stoll) and big dudes who will go to the net (Smyth, Brown, Simmonds, and now Penner).
I’ve never been entirely clear on the exact definition of “sniper” anyway. I tend to think it’s something that some guy who thinks he knows what he’s talking about, and a lot of people just nod their heads and repeat what he says without knowing what it means.
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sniper
never played, so take this with a grain of salt, but snipers generally have awesome shots with a pretty quick release. they pick their spots (top corner, for instance), and make their living lighting the lamp.
by uvgt2bkdnme on Feb 28, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
My definition of a sniper is
Luc Robitaille.
A sniper is a guy who can finish. He just has a knack for burying the puck. He may be a giant dork (Moulson) or slow (Luc) or a smaller dork (Toffoli) or an ass (Heatley) or he might be well-rounded (Stamkos). Hard shot? Maybe. But more accurate and with a quicker release than everyone else.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Feb 28, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You just have to walk up to the store, you know?
I would like a 40 goal scorer please. Thank you.
God, she is so fixated on free agency and is probably still not over Kovalchuk. I remember that column where she predicted that the Kings missing out on Kovalchuk meant:
*we’d never sign any free agents ever again
*we’d fail and miss the playoffs as a result
*all our good young players would be filled with despair and never re-sign here
*DOOM DOOM DOOM would reign for the rest of time
Jumping to conclusions much? Ha.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Aw, poor guy…found out while playing ping pong with other guys on the team. He sounds like he will really miss his friends in EDM.
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Please
No one, NO ONE, misses Edmonton! His wife will straighten him out quickly…
by JZarris on Feb 28, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
You’ve got to say you’ll miss the city, the friends, etc. cause you’ll never know when/if you’ll be back some day.
But come on… Since the Jets folded, “fear of being traded to Edmonton” has become the strongest motivator in the league.
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think I heard them say his wife is from Edmonton
I could be wrong thought…
by Clever Kings Handle on Feb 28, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
She actually originally from Montreal. They got married in Mtl recently:
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I probably have to hand in my Man Card for the rest of the week after posting a link to “Celebrity Bride Guide”. :-/
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
……and she is the former Mrs. Zednik. mmhhhhh.
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Can we just get the man on a plane?
Cut the conference, get on an Air Canada Airbus from YEG to LAX. Now! :)
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Aww, I love Panger on TSN. All day long, he totally gets the Kings. Improve the club, but don’t mortgage the future.
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He, Keith Jones, and Craig McTavish paid for my NHL Network subscription today.
I just hope I don’t have to miss work next year, that we are more in a Vancouver situation…
by Clever Kings Handle on Feb 28, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
No kidding! I’m right there with you.
Ah. I remember being so worried we’d give up Simmonds for a Kovy rental in early Feb, or trade Frolov by the deadline in March. Poor soul was so relieved, the next game he was on fire.
…I still miss Fro.
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i love it when people talk from both sides of their mouth
bunch of fans who say that the Kings overpaid while Edmonton got a steal.
weren’t a bunch of fans clamoring for Lombardi to do something because prospects and picks are so uncertain? now some people think Teubert will be a stud on defense and that this first round pick is worth something?
i wish i could laugh, but all i can do is shake my head and this: 
by uvgt2bkdnme on Feb 28, 2011 12:16 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Heh heh
Is this HF board speak? Because you should read the Oilers trade thread before the deadline. A few of ‘em try to fight the good fight and point out they’re not getting Schenn, and on the other side, they ignore all the writing on the wall to believe otherwise. Oh, and they savage any prospect not named Schenn as if they’re just trash. A real hoot.
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HB board speak
i read maybe four or five writers seriously, laugh at the rest, and get a kick out of the comments.
and of course trade deadline day is the day i have 59382479 pages of reading to do and a math midterm the next day. tonight’s going to be fuuuuun . . .
wish i could wish good luck for the Kings tonight, but . . . you understand. won’t be able to see the game. enjoy the game and thread!
by uvgt2bkdnme on Feb 28, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully...
Penner goes up front with Kopi and Simmonds….to me that sounds like a scary good line….
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
Per Lebrun
The conditional pick is a 3rd rounder unless the Kings win the cup, then it becomes a 2nd. So it looks to be Teubert, a 2011 1st (#20-25 in all likelihood), and a 2012 3rd (oh please let it be a 2nd!!!) for Penner.
I can certainly live with it!
GEM!!
“Your team just gave up basically the same package the Bruins gave for Kaberle. [Colten was a first-round pick, they gave up another first, and potentially a second.] Except you got a 2nd liner. Remember Poni? That’s Penner. Only difference is he’s north american.”
Pulling an all-nighter (should it come to that) will be much easier tonight if i have this i can laugh at for the rest of the day.
when was the last time Kaberle scored 20+ goals?
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
I am laughing so hard.
The Kings paid a lot? They paid a LOT? Picks in a weak draft. And we have a pool of prospects that is already stacked. No loss.
We have an excess of D prospects, and while Teubert is a physical type, he is FAR from the most promising. He had issues; he might get it together, he might not.
People don’t know the Kings’ prospects well enough. They ought to have asked for Muzzin or Voynov or Alec Martinez, at least. If they only wanted big ol’ d-men, then Forbort! It boggles the mind.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
i second your notion.
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
Of all fanbases that probably appreciate our prospects and value them highly…we’re right up there.
And yet you see little mourning at all. There’s practically dancing in the streets.
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Internet fan polls are hardly scientific, but the one at LAKI had 97% in favor and 3% against last I checked.
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especially considering the source
LAKI commenters agree on something?
Yeah, but check out the poll at TSN for who won or lost this trade.
Taylor Morgan: "My abortion was botched!"
Teemu Selanne: "Wow. That sounds awesome."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 28, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Copper and Blue is irrate. I’m glad we got Penner but don’t think we fleeced them (although I woulda pushed for Voinov if I were them)
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
He’s one of their most valuable forwards, and an already established NHLer. Which they need right now.
Is Teubert a lock to make it? No. But even if he does, that’s down the line.
I also don’t consider a 1st round pick a backbreaker. That’s why they’re upset.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Yeah, I know everyone wants to get into the “who won the deal” argument but in this case it really seems like a win-win. Both teams traded assets for needs and judgment will have to be reserved for 2-5 years down the line.
It might be a win win deal, eventually. I hope it comes to that. But.
I never had high hopes for Tuebert, and in any case, our surplus was in D prospects. So I think we made out like bandits.
The ‘Penner is Lazy’ meme is way over-played. He’s a Corsi beast. He creates time and space for his linemates. He has good hands. He’s a good player! And actually in the NHL.
Overpayment my ass.
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Now, he was signed initially by EDM from ANA as an RFA and it cost them their 1st, 2nd and 3rd picks back in 2008 to get him. I think he had big shoes to fill from day 1.
From EDM’s perspective, they’re getting back a couple of early draft picks and a former 1st rounder for him. Almost like he was on lease or something for a few seasons.
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 12:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
And it looks like they have to deal with immigration issues, so I won’t get to see him play against the Wings tonight. I feel ready to head to Staples already!
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 28, 2011 12:58 PM PST reply actions
Hey guys, brand new LA Kings fan here. I love that Luke Robitaille and that Reggie Vachon. Go Kings go!
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by Benjamin Massey on Feb 28, 2011 1:00 PM PST reply actions
Penner, Greene, Stoll, Gretzky, McSorley, Coffey, Kurri, Benning, Krushelnyski, Buchberger, Carter, Huddy, Chychrun, Elik, Conacher, Smyth, Todd, Fuhr, Klima
Wait till this year.
We're Edmonton South
Apparently…
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by angelofdeath on Feb 28, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know why he'd be upset
In exchange for Gretzky, they got Jimmy Carson.
Sorry, that’s mean. I liked Carson, and I honestly thought he’d do well with Edmonton.
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We are LA....
Kopitar, Brown, Simmonds, Quick, Bernier, Doughty, Martinez, Johnson (I know Carolina drafted him but he’s only played in the NHL in LA.
Don’t forget our home grown guys…
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