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PURCELL!!!!! (2.0)

Teddy Purcell, second goal of the game. Same shot, from the other side. Practice makes perfect. Wrist shot both times. As Brett Hull says, it's not how hard you shoot, it's how fast you get the shot off. 

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I have to laugh at Teddy tearing it up, because following his trade to Tampa I argued with Adam Proteau that the deal made lot of sense for the Kings and that it was the right move.

Oh, hindsight.

by JZarris on May 25, 2011 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

OT

Mississauga St Michael MAXIMS are in the semis… They beat Owen Sound 3-1…

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by Paul Udani on May 25, 2011 9:50 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yo, Quisp.

Should I be as nervous as I am about Doughty still being unsigned? Getting kind of late in the game…and the Wings just had cap space freed up for them.

by JZarris on May 25, 2011 10:37 PM PDT reply actions  

DL will match whatever offer Doughty gets so I’m not worried at all.

by GoKings09 on May 25, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The way DL has been drafting ...

… I wouldn mind all those picks.

But it won’t happen.

Too bad, Doughty is such a prima donna and I couldn’t care less if he was gone.

by Cirtes on May 26, 2011 6:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

seriously??

you would be OK seeing our premier defenseman, gold medal winning, ice time leader, franchise type player, young stud, untapped potential, norris trophy nominee, arguably the best player on the team behind maybe only Kopi go unsigned? andthen go to detroit of all places? for draft picks???
you sir are crazy AND definitely not a Kings fan.

"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner

by card_base on May 26, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just because I see things differently doesn't make me less of a fan.

And you said it yourself: Untapped Potential.

When he stops acting like a Queen, he might some day become a King, but he’s not there yet. A lot of folks give him way too much credit for being just OK. smells like fanboy country so pardon me for stepping on the pedestal.

by Cirtes on May 26, 2011 10:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It’d help if you stated why you think Doughty is a prima donna and why that is more important than all the good stuff on the ice that he does.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on May 27, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good suggestion

Here are a few, not comprehensive by any measure:

Listen to his interview(s). Compare to say Kopi who is 23 yo.

Argues with coach and GM on camera.

5 second wind-up slapshot.

Can’t keep puck in zone allot during power play.

Jamie Ben owns him. Any forward from any team that has even modest speed can look at those tapes and figure out a winning strategy.

Going for the big hit on Couture instead of the play. Lost that gamble and history was made. Had to watch it on NHL Network for weeks.

Mouth, mouth, mouth, ad nauseum. Nicole (sp) takes him out of the game. Mitchell, Green, Drewiskey had to fight for him because he is all mouth and no backbone.

Dewey goes out with a concussion and JJ becomes JMFJ, scores like mad on the PP, massive hits, just awesome. Dewey returns, JMFJ turns into JJ and fades into the noise.

Shows up to training camp as Doughnuts, out of shape and pudgy. There were 200+ other fans out there in El Segundo saw the same thing I did, and Doughnuts took half a season to become Dewey. Then he gives lip to everyone about how he played good but not his best, and then dominated in the second half! No, Webber and Suter dominated, you got to 80% of what you were in your Norris year, and one playoff game where you made a difference does not absolve you of an average season per the elite standards bestowed by the fans.

Should I dig for more? I think I can look at the tape of the Lightning game where Downy got under his skin.

Point is, what is the value proposition? Kid will likely command Chara money, which can get you a Mitchell, Scuderi and Voynov/DeslaurIers/Hickey/etc and cap space for an elite forward. Something to think about.

by Cirtes on May 27, 2011 10:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

AND definitely not a Kings fan

Hey, now…don’t get all puritanical. I’m a keep Doughty at all costs guy myself, but it’s not crazy to think that if Doughty signed a mega-deal that taking the picks might be a smart option. Just ask Buffalo.

by JZarris on May 26, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

heres what im saying....

we finally have a group of young guys who have yet to reach their full potential…and Cites wants to trade them for picks….to me…thats now a fan….sure we can keep doing that…but then we know for sure the owners dont want to win and any fan who feels good or ok with that is not a fan in my book….
i want this team to win.,…not keep stockpiling draft picks…
we already have too many to get into the lineup as it is….

"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner

by card_base on May 27, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want the Kings to win as well.

Want them to win for the next ten years, not just once.

Of the thirty teams in this league, only two have gone to the Stanley Cup Finals more than once. Everyone else has been one and done.

What DL is doing may end up as a brilliant move of the post lockout era. Building a team that has true staying power for cup contention.

San Jose was his version 1.0. Kings are his second at bat. Vancouver has done this for seven years!

I understand that it is hard in this time of short attention span and instant gratification to look at strategy as a value, but to dismiss it or ignore it is simply foolish.

Looking at all the options is always the prudent choice, and I just happen to fancy one of the less popular options. Nothing wrong with that and by no means reason for name calling by the general readership here.

by Cirtes on May 27, 2011 10:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oops

>>Of the thirty teams in this league, only two have gone to the Stanley Cup Finals more than once.<<

Since the lockout and CBA.

by Cirtes on May 27, 2011 10:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

gokings is right; dl will match no matter what; otherwise, he would be fired more or less on the spot

and i would be shocked in any case if ken holland did that to lombardi. now…if it were edmonton, i’d have to think about it…no, i would still match.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on May 26, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

God I hate Terry Murray. Doesn’t know crap about offense.

by soccersucks on May 26, 2011 5:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Ouch

Are you rubbing it in Mr Quisp?

by Steve S. on May 26, 2011 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

no, i just like purcell

i’m sure lombardi is not surprised; he signed the guy, after all.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on May 26, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lombardi said Purcell was a 1st line talent way back in 2007.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on May 26, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think the point quisp is making...

is that again another example of a young offensively talented player who appeared inept to score under TM “system” goes elsewhere and does very well and is contributing offensively in the most clutch of times…..
TM is doucher….

"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner

by card_base on May 26, 2011 10:37 AM PDT reply actions  

about Purcell flourishing in TB

someone posted on LAKI that on the broadcast last night it was discussed. Evidently TB knew they were getting a very talented offensive player w certain deficiencies and were willing to work on those deficiencies. That doesn’t surprise me at all. Guy Boucher and Stevie Y are clearly top notch at what they do.

As for the type of forwards the Kings have excelled with that have come in under TM/DL the ones who have stuck (Clifford, Simmer, Westgarth, Richardson) are all grinder types. So it makes it easy really cause more or less you know what you’re getting in a certain sense.
I think it’s trickier to take an offensively talented player and flush out all the other aspects of the game. It’s what I’ve said. The Kings don’t seem to do a good job of it. Why that is I don’t know. Maybe Quisp has a hunch or two.
That comment isn’t negative, it isn’t positive, it just is. When I see a result to the contrary I’ll be very happy to rectify it.

by number 6 on May 26, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Yep yep yep to your points. Want to add that Kopitar has improved under TM, no doubt. But where he has improved is in the defensive end. Show me an offensive player (or a player playing offensively) that has improved, especially a young one. Latest casualty is Moller. Once is an aberration; twice is a coincidence; three times is a trend; four times is a pattern. Boyle, Moulson, Purcell, Moller. This whole “Terry Murray is a good/great teacher” is wrong. He has a system that requires defensive first, second, and third. So when a team’s defensive numbers improve, one should not be surprised. The team had the explicit goal this year of improving 5-on-5 scoring. Couldn’t do it. And within such a system, both Moulson and Purcell were given public warning that their offense needed to improve; they had to put points on the board.

What TM does is put players in a quandry, saying to them: You and everybody else must think and position yourself defensively first AND score more. The only way to be on the same page with your line-mates is to stay in default-mode: defense-first. Very difficult to resolve this dilemma. They almost need to have a mini-mutiny on the bench and say to each other, "Ok on this shift we’re all going to the net; we’re all thinking offense first. Because if the 3rd man (high) is thinking defense-first, it’s 2-on-5 down low. Not good odds. None of the young players mentioned are good enough to consistently break a team down alone, they need their line-mates to help them. But unless they’re all thinking offense-first, it won’t work.

Where the 3rd man (high) is positioned is a topic that doesn’t get much mention, but may be a key in determining the success of our team offensively. Simply put, there is a huge difference in how much the 3rd man can contribute depending on whether he is 30 feet from the net or 20 feet. The first is safe defensively; the latter is more offensive. Furthermore is the willingness and readiness of that 3rd man to go even lower. It’s the difference between a shot basically from the blue-line and one from the high-slot; it’s the difference in being able to win more puck-battles along the boards and maintain possession. The lower that 3rd man is and the more willing he is to go even lower, the more good things can happen offensively. But you violate the defensive integrity of the system.

The positioning of the 3rd man is one of the two philosophical decisions that is at the crux of the problem. (Shot-mentality versus cross-ice passes being the other.) TM wants him high and to stay high. Which means that, by design, the Kings often play offense 2-on-5 down low. It’s a big reason why the Kings as a whole don’t score much, and young players—who know they need to follow directions to stick with the team—in particular don’t score much.

by soccersucks on May 26, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

and to the comments 'but he had a chance' with LA

it all depends what you call ‘a chance’. I do photography and shoot with my right eye. If someone put a patch over my right eye and said shoot with the left I’m not sure what my photos would look like, but I’d certainly feel far less secure initially.
That to me is sort of what TP’s chance was like in LA. For sure he did get a chance but I’m not all that certain how rich of a chance it was is all.

by number 6 on May 26, 2011 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

good analogy....

i think that can be applied to a few other players we talk about here who are now former kings…

"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner

by card_base on May 26, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do photography and shoot with my right eye. If someone put a patch over my right eye and said shoot with the left I’m not sure what my photos would look like, but I’d certainly feel far less secure initially.

by JZarris on May 26, 2011 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I have been pretty frustrated with Terry Murray, especially this past season, but who are people wanting as his replacement? I can’t really think of anybody that isn’t already going to the Devils or a giant risk.

Quite possibly the only LA Kings fan living in Brooklyn, New York.

by Robert_P. on May 26, 2011 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I can Rick

Yesterday they were talking on nhl home ice about the lineage of coaches coming out of the Montreal system. Are you sitting down? Alain Vigneault (I didn’t know that), Guy Boucher (Hamilton Bulldogs) and Claude Julien. All strangely still playing. Vigneault and Boucher both seem to have a quality that I’d like to see more of chez TM, which is a different sort of composure (btw, same with Dan Bylsma – he’s STEADY).

So the buzz now is around Kirk Muller (currently asst in Mont). Now of course, I really don’t know, but that Montreal lineage seems not bad.

I think when things go pear shaped TM seems to get tight. They say a team is a reflection of the coach. I honestly don’t have enough evidence to say one way or another, but I must say that I do have ?‘s surrounding TM’s approach. It’s Not that it’s a bad approach, but I wonder if it isn’t a rather limited approach.
I ABSOLUTELY feel that you’ve just Gotta integrate creativity into a system. Let’s be honest. The Kings do a LOT of things right, but creativity would not be on or near the top of the list.

by number 6 on May 26, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

speaking of creativity...

i think the one place we need more of that is on the PP….
and i still say if the kings suck balls for 20 games at any point this season and do not show an ability to get out of it…
TM will be gone…maybe not during the season, but definitely next summer….
but…i still hold out hope that he can adapt this offseason and implement some tactics to change gears and add more offensive to the team….at the very least by allowing our skilled guys to play with linemates for more than 10 games at a time…but i digress….

"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner

by card_base on May 26, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

problem is

the Kings don’t have creative forwards other than Kopi and JW, and an occasion burst of creativity from Brownie.

by number 6 on May 26, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thought Marc Crawford was going to work out well so...

I’m not qualified to say much about the current coaching… but all those players you mentioned Quisp might turn out to be a waste if TM keeps them stifled in his “system”

I don’t know, maybe things will work out because he knows he is on thin ice and subsequently he turns out opening things up… I’m leary though…

I say give him the first part of the season and if we see more of the same thing…. axe him… I just hope its not too late (i.e., better that it was done in the offseason and we become a bit mired in the development of the players or alienation of the players)

To be honest, I simply don’t know what should be done with TM at this point…

by kiosku2 on May 26, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I KNEW that Quisp

I was sort of responding to someone’s comments about the PP. So I based it on the persons that were used last season on the PP and didn’t include Lokti as he played, what, six games at center before he was sent down. And I didn’t include the others as they aren’t on the team yet, or in the case of OM, really wasn’t given the chance to be on the team. And as for the dmen, well of course but just having creative players on the backend, in a TM system for me wasn’t enough to integrate movement and rotation throughout the five man PP…. especially when 5-on-3

by number 6 on May 27, 2011 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think we are saying the same thing in a different way.

"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner

by card_base on May 27, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I Agree It Sucks

that Purcell is performing so well for the Bolts and not for the Kings, but these things don’t happen in a vacuum. Purcell is a top 6 RW. He’d have to displace one of Dustin Brown or Justin Williams to get the minutes.

Or do you drop him to Simmonds’ spot? Probably not. So now he’s in Westgarth’s spot, getting a handful of minutes and getting run over by the opposition’s fourth.

It’s the left side that’s the problem. If one of Parse or Penner (or both!) breakout next season, we’ll forget all about Purcell and Moulson.

by Lars H on May 27, 2011 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

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