What's Broken (part 2): Follow the Leader
Part One is here.
Player evaluation: Brown - LA Kings Insider
Per usual, Brown gave 100-percent effort in every game and regularly led the Kings in both shots on goal and hits. A lead-by-example captain, Brown has total respect in the locker room.
If you couldn't tell from part one (link above), I believe the pattern of (sometimes historic) collapses shown by this Kings' team over the last two seasons must end. We no longer have the luxury of calling these collapses "uncharacteristic." My knee-jerk reaction: it's a failure of leadership: captains and coaches.
But knee-jerk doesn't equal true.
So here's the exercise. I'm going to make a list of the arguable solutions, and then I'm going to take my best shot at arguing each one. I put that in bold in order to discourage people from commenting that (a) I'm a total ******* and/or (b) my arguments all contradict each other and/or (c) my arguments contradict everything I have ever said, and/or (d) how can you say that about so-and-so!?
(but feel free; it's a blog.)
Yes, it's a little like the lawyer who says, "my client was 100 miles away at the time, and, if you don't buy that, it was self-defense."
Here are all the solutions that come to mind:
- Change nothing. The team will grow together, and next time they're on top of the world (ahead 4-0 in a playoff game, or #1 in the league in the standings) they won't fall apart, because they have learned.
- Get a new coach. It's the coach's job to right the ship when it starts to capsize. As Lombardi said (quote and link in previous post), Detroit doesn't go 0-9. They stop the bleeding.
- Get a new captain. Being captain causes Brown to try to do too much, and he obviously has not been able to "right the ship" in several instances.
- Get better players. The reason for these collapses is not the fault of the captain or the coaches, all of whom have been doing the best they can with the hand they're dealt. The team has been playing above its abilities, and while that's been a minor miracle, it can't go on forever. The collapses are the point in the story when the coyote realizes he's running in mid-air, 1000 feet up.
In this post, we pick on captains.
Everybody loves Dustin Brown. I love Dustin Brown. Pretty much every time I get frustrated with Dustin Brown for trying to skate through 12 guys, or turning over the puck on the cycle, or shooting 12 feet over the net, or whatever crazy thing, he turns around and scores a beautiful goal, or otherwise causes some game-changing event to occur.
But that's DB, the player. What about Captain DB?
He's had to learn this captaining gig on the fly. I cut him a lot of slack for that reason, but -- as you probably know from posts going back two or three years -- I've frequently been nervous about Brown as a captain. This is mostly not his fault. You can't be a persuasive leader in a situation where you have no experience. It's like that scene in Aliens, when they're doing a military-style landing on the bug planet, and Ripley asks the head marine how many of these missions he's done, and he says, "seventeen...all simulated."
My idea of the ideal captain is that he's a guy who, when you happen to be freaking out about whatever new or terrifying situation you find yourself in, you can turn to him and he will settle you down because he's been there before and he knows the drill. Even the best and most natural leader in the world is not going to be able to instill much confidence if you know in the back of your mind that he's never done this before, either.
Reading Hammond's evaluation of Brown (link before the jump), and the comments that followed, I was struck by how universal the praise is of his leadership. It was also noted in those comments -- and I totally agree with this -- that we have no idea what goes on in "the room." We can't really know what kind of leader DB is; we can't know whether is capable of rousing the troops, of calming nerves, of doing those things we expect of great leaders.
The problem with not being in the room is that all we have to go on is (1) what he says in the press, (2) how he handles himself on the ice, and (3) how the team plays. Of those three, I only really have issues with #3. I am not inspired by his public post-game presentation, but I allow for the possibility that he's totally different in the locker room.
I have to put a lot of stock in Hammond's comment, quoted above, that Brown commands total respect in the locker room. I would just note that this quality may be, as they say, "necessary but not sufficient."
Certain guys -- Messier, Lidstrom, Yzerman, Pronger, Sakic, Stevens -- have something that makes you want to follow them into battle. Does Brown have what those guys have? Kind of an unfair question, since those are all Hall of Famers, or future ones. It's also an unfair question because those guys all had massive experience to fall back on, whereas Brown doesn't.
Maybe DB will be as great a leader as those guys when he's been at it for 10 years. But that's part of the problem. By the time he has that number of years on his resume, who on this Kings roster will be left?
Don't get me wrong. I actually do think Brown is heroic (per the "follow me into battle" metaphor), in that he's a tireless worker and a truly decent human being. Those are guys you love as teammates, guys you wish you had more of. As a "lead by example" type of captain, he sets the bar very high with his admirable work ethic, his energy, his "compete" level, and, for lack of a better term, his character.
Except that he does seem to come unglued when things go south. As Rich Hammond pointed out in his evaluation, he tries to do too much. He forces things. Is that a good thing for the leader to do when the road gets bumpy? What do his teammates do when they see Brown forcing his play? What happens to our vaunted defensive system when players start forcing, start trying to do too much?
Is this not exactly the thing that Terry Murray pointed out after last week's playoff meltdowns?
Glass Half Empty: too bad there's no such thing as stepping up - Jewels From The Crown
MURRAY: "The series is 3-1. I look at it as a self-inflicted issue right now. [...][T]hose goals against are plays that basically we hand to them through breakdowns and reads that have been made all year long. That's a part of the game that we have taken a lot of pride in over the last three years, is to be a good, solid defensive hockey club, to do things the right way all of the time, as a team. So when I say I need players to play good, I need them to play the right way. We don't need to have any one player, two players, feel that they need to put the whole thing on their shoulders and play extra-special, because that's when problems start to come back at you and comes right back down our throat."
Add to that, this, from Hammond's evaluation of Brown:
Player evaluation: Brown " LA Kings Insider
The flip side of Brown's scoring bursts is his tendency to go cold for long stretches. Brown had one eight-game stretch without a goal and one 11-game stretch without a goal. That can happen to the best of players, but throughout this career, Brown has shown the tendency to start pressing, in all aspects of his game, when the scoring runs dry for a stretch. He's never guilty of a lack of effort, but sometimes excessive effort can lead to a lack of productive play.
Pressing. I think you can also apply that description to Doughty, Johnson, Kopitar, Greene, and others I'm sure. But Brown is the captain. The lead-by-example captain. A lead-by-example captain whose example, at least in this one crucial area, we shouldn't really follow.
Not to pick entirely on Brown here. Kopitar, Greene and Stoll are alt captains and part of the leadership group. And they, like Brown, seem to be of the good-guy/hard-worker variety (I'm not addressing skill here; just character; obviously Kopitar has skills others don't have). Do any of them have the natural or earned authority to lead in the sense of "once more unto the breach"?
Put a pin in that.
Who on the Kings evinced the least amount of discipline in the last playoff series? With his several costly ill-timed penalties, I would say it was Matt Greene. Certainly, Greene(r) was playing more intense, stepping it up, etc. Did it help? And what was the effect of that on the rest of the team, since these guys are the lead-by-example type?
It has been noted (see the first comment in part one of this series of posts) that the coach can't really control the players on the ice. I don't agree, actually, but let's pretend. If not the coach, then certainly the captains have some influence on the rest of the team. Especially the kids, for instance, Doughty and Johnson, neither of whom seemed especially composed in that series. Certainly, as I have said before, I feel those two (and Brown) were trying to put the team on their shoulders, were taking on too much, and in so doing, drifted away from the system. Could Brown and/or Greene (or Lidstrom or Neidermayer) have kept them in line, with a few choice words about "how it's done in the playoffs"? That's the kind of situation where experience pays dividends.
Maybe we're all just supposed to wait while we watch the young'uns log their needed playoff experience in real time. But it occurs to me that (per this post on the Kings cap situation) the Kings are no longer that bunch of crazy kids with cap space to burn. They will be, starting in a few short weeks, pressed right up against the cap ceiling. Doughty, Simmonds, Johnson, Brown and Kopitar will each have multi-millionaire grown-up contracts, and it would be reasonable to expect them to earn their $20,000,000.
(tick, tock)
You might have noticed I've spent all my time defining the problem, but haven't offered even a hint of a solution. That's because I don't like any of the solutions. I don't like the idea of importing pre-fab captains from elsewhere via trade or signing. That would be especially problematic on a mostly home-grown Kings team. I also don't like the idea of stripping Brown's C off him. It worked for Patrick Marleau, but that Sharks team was in a different situation.
Still, if we were starting from scratch, today, with no history and no hurt feelings, I think the Kings would be better served by giving the C to Rob Scuderi. Just typing that makes me a little more calm. Even though part of me is still rooting for Brown to grow into the role, as we all have been rooting for him, for the last three years. The problem being, we pretty much need that from him, yesterday.
[Next up: screw that, it's all the coach's fault.]
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It’s a tough call because looking around the room, it seems clear that others could be better suited to being captain than Brown. I agree with Scuderi as being a top choice.
Trouble is, when Brown was named Captain there were very few options. Blake left of course and Handzus was coming off that awful season. Greene and Stoll were both totally new to the team and hardly knew anyone in the room. It was pretty much just Brown or Kopi, and they went with the guy who didn’t move out of the area during the summer and watched the rookies play in camp. Can’t blame ’em.
It think it would be dramatic to take the C from him when he hasn’t done anything wrong per se, it would just be a “you’re not quite good enough” scenario, and who knows how that would affect Brown. I love this analysis but for my money the best option is to leave things as they are with the commitment that was made and hope that Brown continues to grow in this role.
I’m looking pretty forward to the coaching post. That’s where I’m leaning just because I don’t know if his calm and cool approach is effective anymore. Besides, it sure as hell doesn’t seem to rub off on the players when they get win-drunk (or goal-drunk) and throw the system to the wind.
Lastly I’m not calling to fire Murray, but I think the idea of him starting on the hot seat this season is perfectly appropriate. A short leash in the event of another losing streak would be more than fair, I believe.
First off, I like Dustin Brown and hope he plays his entire career as a King.
This situation reminds me of changes I see in the business world often.
An employee is a tireless worker, shows up early, does his job with integrity, is dependable, can be counted on to help others and knows the all the details of their position. This is turn leads to a promotion to management and suddenly the person is lost. It’s not that he/she became lazy since they got what they wanted, but management is about having people skills; knowing when to push someone’s button and when to leave them alone. Being able to criticize someone when needed and remembering to pat them on the back for a job well done. It’s about getting more out of people than they expected. Most of all it’s about being decisive.
Just because someone works hard and knows their job inside and out, doesn’t automatically qualify them to be a leader.
Also, keeping a person in that role just to spare their feelings is not good for them, their co-workers or the company.
If We Could Turn Back Time…
I really wish the Kings had gone with a rotating captaincy for the season after Matty was traded for the very reason you imply- if you take it from Brown now it is telling him that he failed (which, in my opinion, he has done as a captain, but that is beside the point) and could ruin his game for the foreseeable future.
If instead the Kings had given him a chance at being captain along with guys like Kopitar, Frolov, Handzus, Greene, etc for maybe 15-20 games each the coaching staff and management could actually have evaluated how each did the job and if they were happy with one of them he could have had it, or they could have kept rotating it into the next season until they found the right guy. The way they went about it – “Brown is a hard working Dave Taylor-type player who we drafted, so give it to him” is how it looked from the outside – did not seem to me like how you choose a captain of a championship-caliber NHL team.
Taking the C away from Brown now could impair him for a while as a player, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it if it’s right for the team.
I still think that when Brown was given the C, he was expected to be a first line player who would mature into scoring 40 goals a season. Instead he has become a 2nd line winger on a team without much depth at wing, and even on this team he should probably be a 3rd liner (I think Simmonds has passed him on the depth chart – he’s better defensively and when he plays on the top line is more ffective than Brown by far). It’s starting to look unlikely that he will ever score 30 goals in a season again, so forget 40. I don’t think there is any question that Brown has not developed into the player the Kings thought he would when they made him captain. A lot of that may have to do with the mere fact that they did make him captain and those added responsibilities – whether real or imagined – distracted him.
Frankly, it would not surprise me in the least to see the Kings trade Brown this summer and give the C to Kopitar who is developing into that Yzerman/Messier kind of player (though he is still a couple of years from reaching his peak), and as the star of the team is really the kind of player you expect to see wearing the C anyway.
IIRC, Brown was made C before wearing the A
If I’m mis-remembering that, I’m pretty sure he wasn’t Assistant Captain for very long. And that may be the root of the problem, that he wasn’t sufficiently eased into the job. When you get thrown into the deep end of the pool like that, you may figure out the right way to swim by necessity, or you may develop some bad habits in figuring things out on your own and never unlearn them.
Last season, I thought that the time when Brownie tried too hard were part of his growing pains as Captain. This year, I think we saw a little less of it. But the time when we can use inexperience as an excuse is very near its end, if it hasn’t ended already. He’s had enough time to figure things out, as well as exposure to veterans who could advise him without seeming to question his authority.
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If I can remember correctly the year before he was made captain, Blake was the captain, with Camallerri, Thorton, Visnovski and Brown serving as alternates (two on road, the other two at home). I have the feeling that Camallerri would have become captain if not traded.
Very hard to say Brown shouldn’t be the captain now, I think the only way it could be done without major controversy is either he’s traded (of course) or if Murray is let go as coach, and the new coach wants his pick of captain.
by Throwdeuce5150 on May 5, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with most of this. When I think of a Captain, I think of someone who not only commands respect in the dressing room, but someone who leads by example. So that whenever one of the “kids” starting freaking out, all that have to do is look at their Captain, and see how to do things the right way – calm and cool under pressure. For that reason, Scuderi is the most obvious choice on the team. He has been there a while, and will continue to be there for a few more years. Out of everyone on the team, Scuderi seems to be the most surefooted – the guy least likely to panic, and the one who seems to get why the Kings fail when they do. Brown should have been the one to call Game 3 immature, not Scuderi because it needed to be said. Brown, as everyone agrees, tries too hard at times. And when the team sees their Captain trying too hard, they do the same thing.
Don’t get be wrong, I love Brown, and I don’t think you can put all the blame on him for the Kings when they collapse. The leadership group as a whole needs to improve – and for me that begins with Murray, not Brown. I agree with Uni above, Murray needs to be a shorter leash next year, and if the team starts to collapse, like they did in November and then again in January, the plug should be pulled.
Some observations:
-His most productive season in terms of goal scoring (33 in 07-08) was also the year in which he saw the most power play time (3.33/60) and ran hot in terms of shooting percentage (.151 as compared to a career .102). So yeah it seems as though 30+ goals is an anomaly.
-This past year was his best year in terms of point production at even strength so he is still improving.
-In this past years playoffs he was trusted to start his shifts in his own zone the majority of the time. He finished his shifts in the O-zone a relatively high percentage of the time considering this and also had a great Corsi rating in spite. So he performed well under those conditons yet it didn’t manifest itself in point production.
-The quality of competition he was facing in this past years playoffs was the easiest of his career and thus his lack of point production is kind of hard to overlook. But it’s only a 6 game sample.
-I am of the opinion him being Captain or not being Captain doesn’t/won’t really affect any of this. If it does it would probably be so slight one way or the other that it really wouldn’t matter. But that is of course just my opinion. It would be interesting to do some kind of historical study on historical player production pre-captaincy, post-captaincy and captaincy-rectomy but there would be so many variables that it probably wouldn’t be very concrete.
But in truth I found Lombardi’s quote about the Captains pretty upsurd and slightly troubling….I mean if Rob Scuderi or Willie Mitchell or Handzus or even Peter Harrold happened to be wearing the C instead of DB I don’t think that really would have affected the Kings squandering of a 4 goal lead. People respect those players and those player should still be able to take on leadership roles despite what letters they may or may not have on their jerseys. The “C” to me has always seemed more symbolic (sort of like the English Monarchy) than anything else and people who truly are leaders still fill that role no matter what. I don’t see how anybody would be any less receptive to Smyth or Scuds just because they don’t have a C or an A or Z or whatever.
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I mean if Rob Scuderi or Willie Mitchell or Handzus or even Peter Harrold happened to be wearing the C instead of DB I don’t think that really would have affected the Kings squandering of a 4 goal lead.
I agree with this. I have no idea what goes on in the locker room but I assume the guys who are going to speak up, speak up whether they are the captain or not.
I think Brown might play better in certain moments if he didn’t feel pressure to put the whole team on his back, but that’s pure speculation on my part.
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Taking the captaincy from Brown would do more harm than good IMO.
Look, I’m not a fan of Brown’s game. I think he’s a third-line player who is thrust into a top-six role. But as Hammond said, I think he is well-respected in the locker room and has helped foster the kind of “team” attitude in the Kings over the past few years. DL has said numerous times how the players genuinely care about one another and for me, that’s one of the most important things a captain has to do. You don’t have to lead your team in goals or assists or hits. You need to lead the team in confidence, camaraderie, and (to borrow a TM word) compete. I think Brown has done a good job with that. If he were to be removed as a captain, I think it sends the wrong message to the rest of the team.
The concept that Dustin Brown may or may not be able to inspire other players to play better or with more effort is such a hard one to make, and I commend you on what you’ve written Quisp. It’s so linked to the other possible “solution” you’ve given of “Get Better Players”. Hypothetically, the players in the Kings locker room are all playing to their highest potential OR they are simply the type of player who do respond to the influences of a captain. Sometimes there are just those guys who are in it for themselves and the inspiration of a leader is nothing to them. To be clear, I’m not suggesting that the Kings have any players like that, but like you said, without going into “the room” it’s hard to prescribe that as the problem when we don’t know what goes on 1/3 of the time.
For what it’s worth, I felt like Dustin was the right decision because he was one of the longest tenured Kings at the time, but the wrong decision in that he simply felt too young and inexperienced. Thinking of your suggestion of Scuderi makes sense, but then I think back to Scuderi’s arrival and I can recall off the top of my head a handful of instances where Scuderi cited a prolonged period of adjustment to moving to LA. Would he have been the right choice captaining a team when he wasn’t even comfortable in the city yet? How inspiring can a guy be to “win one for the home team” when he doesn’t feel at home himself?
I think picking a captain or identifying a good one is maybe one of the hardest things to do in hockey. It’s easy to list good traits of a captain or look at a guy who won a cup and say, “that guy was a good captain”, but like you said Quisp, without access to what goes on behind closed doors, it’s hard to say who possesses those locker room qualities.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on May 4, 2011 3:16 PM PDT reply actions
Excuse me, should say “do NOT respond to the influences of a captain”. Big Distinction.
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by Great Ice-Pectations on May 4, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
um... Quisp....
do you think you could just shut this blog down?
Just kidding of course. I think you do an amazing job as you probably know, but part of that is finding areas that are problematic.
I personally Do agree with things you say here. You may or may not know that one of my major Kings pet peeves is the 2003 draft where they had THREE (yes, three first round picks). EJ Hradek was even surprised at the choice of Brown at 13. Then as you know we also got Tambellini and Boyle …. ahead of Corey Perry I might add.
But back to my point…. in that draft you had Mike Richards, Getzlaf, Zach Parise and Eric Staal. Granted Staal went 2nd. But the others were all after Brownie, and to me they seem like more natural leaders even though their tenure in the league is identical to Browns.
Here is another consideration too. In watching Quick, he can be Brilliant, but I wouldn’t personally call him a calming influence back there. Same with Doughty – you don’t know what you’re gonna get at a given moment (at this point in his development). To me it’s like a rock group, for lack of a better analogy. Ringo nor Charlie Watts were not the most amazing drummers – but they fit their groups like a glove.
I’m not certain about how all these players with their strengths and weaknesses fit together. Just two more points to add. Watching Pekke Rinne or even Roloson, they are so Steady back in the nets. Yes, Rinne is a genius (imo) but Rolo isn’t. But he’s STEADY.
So to wrap it up, yes you can have JQ and his style, but when you pair that up with Brown’s ‘trying to hard’ (pretty indisputable), and one or two other elements going south, in a sense it isn’t all that surprising that they lost a 4-0 lead to the Sharks.
Is That gonna change next year cause of the experience……?
See my next post later on.
Sorry for the drifting
I know my post is a bit all over the place, but what I was attempting to do was to show that it’s not just Brown as captain, but also how it fits with other elements (JQ’s style, DD’s lack of maturity – sorry but that’s what I see – plus on a team that is offensively challenged if that fits into the picture).
Thats why I made the drummer analogy. How do the parts fit together, not just a person by person analysis. Whew. Now I feel better.
if you take the "c" away from brown...
and it affects him mentally, then you have just proven what has been wrong with this team for the past three years.
If he is a true leader, wearing that c should not destroy his game or ruin him mentally. Is he that fragile?
if he is, and it appears most of the team is, then we NEED ANOTHER CAPTAIN!!!!! Scuderi is a good choice, but consider he doesnt need that letter on his jersey to be a leader of men. If Brown loses his shit for not being captain, we dont need him in the leadership group. A captain should calm the team down, not get them to spastically stickhandle into three opposing players at the blue line only to lose the puck and fall…..maybe taking the c away will force Brown to be the player we love….a hard working SMART checking right winger with enough scoring talent to be legitimately dangerous…..but maybe he is just not a captain?
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
sometimes he does....
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
all i could think the whole time was, “just give the C to scudari” and then there it was.
here’s my thought….if scudari really is the “obvious” choice, wouldn’t that mean that the players are pretty much already looking to him? putting the C on his shirt just means we’re confirming what we already know. and i don’t believe that would have a negative impact on DB.
agree w quisp that
Brown did better early on when he didn’t have this responsibility of being a captain. But now I’d be very surprised if they changed anything. I do think he’s ‘the captain’ and at times wears it well, but a lot of the time he doesn’t feel like a captain to me.
There is a certain intangible in someone who feels like a captain but there aren’t loads of people who have it. Chicago and Pittsburgh are very fortunate because they have players who exemplify what it is…. and who usually deliver when someone needs to take the bull by the horns, And both are young so have many years in front of them (hopefully for Crosby). I don’t think Brown is in his best ‘situation to succeed’ when the demand is there to either settle things down or make a big play offensively.
Granted Toews didn’t do a lot till game 7 vs. Vancouver, but he almost single handedly willed Chicago into the playoffs to begin with.
Honestly, a lot of you sound crazy. None of us know what Brown or anyone else in the locker room is like so it’s kind of dumb to speculate on it. Any theorizing you do is projecting your opinion of Brown the Player onto Brown the Person. They’re different people.
true...
but brown the player/person is what we see on the ice…and for some it could go either way as to him being a good captain…thats all…i love him for an entirely different reason…
he had his own Gabba Gabba dancey dance…..ill bet no other captain in the league can say that! BOOYEAH!!!
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To which I would add:
It just occurred to me that there’s a problem with focusing any discussion of leadership among the players shouldn’t limit itself to Brown, because there are really two different leadership groups on the team.
Brown and Kopitar were given letters to prepare them for the future. But veterans were brought in from outside the organization — Scuderi, Smyth and most recently Mitchell — specifically to provide mentorship to younger players. They form a de facto leadership caste apart from the actual captains.
So I don’t think you can discuss shortcomings in leadership among the Kings players while ignoring the fact that the veterans are also supposed to be team leaders, even though they aren’t official captains.
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Who on the Kings evinced the least amount of discipline in the last playoff series? With his several costly ill-timed penalties, I would say it was Matt Greene. Certainly, Greener was playing more intense, stepping it up, etc. Did it help? And what was the effect of that on the rest of the team, since these guys are the lead-by-example type?
When DL mentioned the captains my first thought was Greene. From a few anecdotes we have, he was a calming influence in the locker room that eventually helped pull them out of those two slumps. In this playoff series, not so much.
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