That's not a guarantee, it's an argument
by Quisp on Jun 14, 2011 10:10 AM PDT
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2011 Stanley Cup finals: Daniel Sedin of Vancouver Canucks guarantees Game 7 win - ESPN
Less than an hour after his team missed a chance to clinch the Stanley Cup in a blowout loss, Daniel Sedin was still confident enough to guarantee his Vancouver Canucks will beat the Boston Bruins in Game 7 on Wednesday night. "We're going to win Game 7," Sedin told the Vancouver Sun. "We're 3-3 and we won all three games at home and we have the fourth game at home," he said of the series, according to the report. "So we have the seventh game at home and we'll take that. We are confident." [...] Vancouver coughed up four goals in the first nine minutes [of game 6] and pulled starting goalie Roberto Luongo, who struggled mightily in all three games in Boston. "Like I said, it happened and we have to deal with that as a team," Sedin said, according to the report. "It's enough with the blaming and all that. We lose as a team and win as a team and we're going to win Game 7."
Babe Ruth, Joe Nameth, Mark Messier...Daniel Sedin? When the first three made their promises, in their various forms, they were throwing down the gauntlet. It was a challenge. A call to arms. What Sedin is doing is more along the lines of a fan's desperate (faulty) reasoning, and it's kind of pathetic. "We have won at home so far and the last game is at home and so we will win, because it is a home game, and we have won all the home games, so we will continue to do so. That is the pattern." QED?
I don't think so.
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First, it’s Daniel, not Henrik, saying it.
Second, what the hell else is he supposed to say? When you get the scrutiny you get up in Canada during the regular season, let alone the Stanley Cup Final, you’re bound to say some dumb stuff. It sounds like he was simply sticking up for his goalie.
Is he supposed to say that they might lose? This is why I don’t read quotes or watch interviews or any of that stuff. It’s all just cliché bullshit. You should know better than to take it for anything but throw away comments.
by 88fingerslukee on Jun 14, 2011 10:53 AM PDT reply actions
Unless of course...
…you are making fun of the media again for ridiculous reporting…but it didn’t read like that to me.
by 88fingerslukee on Jun 14, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
But cetainly
this is one series where home ice and match ups have so far made all the difference. Advantage Vancouver.
Go Bruins!
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
by USHA#17 on Jun 14, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
on the other hand, the last three cups have been awarded to the visiting team in the clinching game
Wait till this year.
I suppose I am reacting to the media's use of the word "guarantee", so yeah, I see your point
I’m really just saying, that’s not quite as forceful as the historic “guarantees” the use of that word immediately conjures up. but again, as you say, that’s on the press, not on the player.
and, yes, the whole enterprise of journalists getting these banal quotes from athletes (or coaches) is mind-numbing…which I think explains if not excuses the desire on the part of many otherwise sane people to make fun of the quotes, the questions, the writers, the athletes, or any combination thereof. grist for the mill.
Wait till this year.
Agreed.
The problem with the quotations these days is that there are just so damn many of them and they are all saying the same thing. The thing about clichés is that they are mostly true, just repeated ad nauseum. If we really wanted to cut down on the clichés, just have fewer interviews. Maybe we should limit the press to interviewing players once a week. Don’ t you think you’d get a bit more substance that way?
by 88fingerslukee on Jun 14, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
There are different kinds of self-talk — maybe that’s what he needs to do. Though from time to time the Nucks sound like they’re not in a press conference so much as on a therapist’s couch.
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hey
Everyone keeps talking bout how Dean passed on Myers and what a huge err that was or Hickey in 2007. What about Lucic? He got taken 2 picks after Dean took Joey Ryan in 2006 or 07. That was the biggest f’ up of his Kings career IMO.
by Totentanz on Jun 14, 2011 11:12 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
He was hired in what, late April of ‘06? The scouting staff wasn’t his, if I recall.
But if you do that kind of stuff with the benefit of years of hindsight, every GM in the league has a long, long list of f’ups. Hell, fans of other teams are still wailing bout Kopitar.
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by Niesy on Jun 14, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
What about Lucic? He got taken 2 picks after Dean took Joey Ryan in 2006 or 07. That was the biggest f’ up of his Kings career IMO.
It was ‘06. There’s a difference between the first 2 examples you provided and the Lucic one. Hickey and Teubert were taken high instead of players that play the exact same position as them (Alzner/Myers). Joey Ryan played a different position and every single team in the league, including the Bruins, passed on Lucic. I’m sure everyone wishes they had drafted Andrei Loktionov now that they realized he was actually willing to come to America, but that’s not a f’ up on their part. I personally think it’s dumb to go back and judge people’s first round picks, but judging their 2nd-7th? That’s just cheating.
He was hired in what, late April of ‘06? The scouting staff wasn’t his, if I recall.
That was Dean’s first draft and yeah, Al Murray was still his scouting director. I always wondered which people liked which picks. I know Dean probably had an idea about the 1st rounders, but which ones? Did he want Lewis? Bernier? I’ve always assumed it was Dean that took a flier on that kid Holloway since he played in the WHL but it’d be cool to find out for sure.
i know
What you’re saying its just that Milan is my favorite player and I can’t believe Dean who’s this great visionary passed on him. Keep thinking should’ve known better.
by Totentanz on Jun 14, 2011 1:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Just because some of us admire Lombardi and appreciate what he has done for the Kings doesn’t mean that we consider him “visionary” in the sense of being dramatically forward-looking or innovative. But after years of mediocrity and downright incompetence in the Kings front office, it’s truly refreshing to have someone who is building the team in a way that makes sense (and who is willing to talk freely about it in public). He’s not a superhero with psychic powers, but he is The Man With The Plan, and for the first time ever the Kings have a man in charge who is setting them up for long-term success. There’s a reason why he was the most talked-about available GM candidate when the Kings hired him.
Keep thinking should’ve known better.
Sorry, but that’s ridiculous. To hold it against him because he didn’t predict Lucic’s value in a year when he didn’t have his own scouting staff in place, and in which he bagged a lot of other talented and useful players anyway, seems unreasonable and narrow-minded to me. The NHL draft is a crapshoot just as much as the MLB draft, mainly because you’re looking at 17/18-year olds. The younger they are, the harder it is to accurately predict their value when they’re 25-30. NBA and NFL GMs have it a lot easier because they’re picking from players in the early 20’s, almost all of whom have had the equivalent of minor league experience.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Also reminding everyone that Lucic scored 19 points in the WHL the year before he got drafted. The year before that he was in the BCHL. He was a pretty big reach in the 2nd round, more so than Clifford or Simmonds. I mean he was probably going to reach the NHL thanks to his fists but most people were probably looking at him to be a Jordan Nolan type.
by RudyKelly on Jun 14, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Milan
would’ve been awesome in a Kings Jersey. Gave this team exactly what it needs. He’s the anti- Penner in a way. I know about all that other stuff still hurts for some reason.
by Totentanz on Jun 14, 2011 3:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I do wonder all the time whose picks were whose. The WHL connection makes sense; Holloway was another T-bird. This interview with AM makes it seem like he had a lot of say in steering the ship, but we know DL would have opinions on at least some players at that time. He had been a Western scout.
Futa and Yannetti were made co-directors of scouting just before the ‘07 draft, and their first draft after a full year of prep together came in ’08. Simmonds and Toffoli obviously go back to Futa’s Owen Sound connection. I wish we could eavesdrop and listen in on the whole process. I’d love to see who values what — not to critique, just out of sheer curiosity.
I think I read in an interview that Yannetti champions hockey sense, while Futa goes for competitiveness. Not that it helps narrow it down or anything.
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An inexact science
All he’s saying is DL missed the boat not taking Lucic…so did 29 other GMs so you kind of snap your fingers and say damn and move on. detroit fools love to yap about how great their organization is for getting Datsyuk and Zetterberg in very late rounds…Lucky is more like it. Good player development program sure, but guys that good taken that late? Pure LUCK.
Drafting is an inexact science, there aren’t many sure fire blue chippers in every years crop, even guys that go first or very early can be duds. Rick DiPietro was a #1 pick… So was Alexandre Daigle…LOL
No, he basically said that Lombardi is overrated (or not a very good drafter) because he missed Lucic. I say that’s ridiculous, precisely for the reason that you point out: So did everyone else, to some degree, and at the time he was drafted Lucic did not look like a good use of a 1st round pick.
So it’s silly to regret. It’s a waste of time and energy.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
ok stop saying what im saying.
I like Dean and all but as this visionary standard I had him as is gone. Teubert was just a horrible horrendous pick. Simmonds and Clifford were nice picks but nothing spectacular. Simmonds will be gone in a year or sooner I feel. Some of the others he fell onto well ok still remains to be seen. Lewis as a 17th overall. Come-on commmmmeeee oooooon. This team is hugely lacking in grit character and timely scoring lots of the things he preaches. I know Lucic was a reach and not someone on everybody’s radar but that there would’ve been an awesome off the board pick that would’ve crowned him a genius the way the Bruins GM obviously is. Voynov and Schenn play next year has to be. Bring in a couple of high character guys nasty gritty guys to go along. Do it Drano dammit.
by Totentanz on Jun 16, 2011 1:17 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
2007?
That was still a very good draft for us. Never mind wether Hickey (who IMO is close) has developed to his fullest potential yet. We still got
Moller
Simmonds
Martinez
and King
That’s still 5 serviceable players that aren’t superstars, but are players with potential. If you get 1 or 2 players per draft that can potentially make your roster, that is a good draft. Hickey might still bring us some return also by either trade, or solid play on our line up.
YOU GO BOY!
I’m gonna laugh if he gets a hat trick. With all the Vancouver haters in the Kingdom these days, it’s going to be a hard pill to swallow to have a Sedin go down in hockey lore history the same way Mark Messier has. I want Boston to win, but that would almost be worth it. LOL
It is pretty shoddy reporting
It’s like the writer is trying to craft epic out of bland, safe-bet answers.
What I’d like to read about is Luongo’s critique of the two goals Thomas let in since he had an even better view this game.
Just remember- this could work out just as well as all of Daniel Alfredsson’s guarantees.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 15, 2011 5:16 AM PDT reply actions
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