Shockingly, agents don't represent their clients' best interests
All eyes on 1 agency - Elliotte Friedman
[...] For years, the largest agency in hockey has been Newport Sports, led by Don Meehan and Pat Morris. [...] At times, as many as 140 NHLers have been represented by them. That number guarantees important signings every season. This summer, Newport's key players include RFAs Steven Stamkos and Drew Doughty, UFAs Brad Richards and Eric Brewer, Zach Parise (who is going to arbitration with New Jersey) and Ryan Smyth (who wants to go back to Edmonton).
As good as that group is, there was potential for even more. Approximately two weeks ago, Shea Weber left Newport for Titan Sports Management, led by Kevin Epp. That followed Ilya Bryzgalov's defection to Ritch Winter's Sports Corporation. [...Weber's] move created a ton of buzz. While the Predators, Lightning and Kings are working hard with Newport to get Weber, Stamkos and Doughty signed to new contracts, we are getting close to July 1, which is when offer sheets can be made. While it remains possible they will sign before that date, the closer we get, the more the leverage shifts to the players.
[...A]mong NHL types, Weber was considered the most likely to receive an offer sheet. That's why Nashville offered arbitration last week. It eliminates the possibility of an offer the Predators figured was coming. (Stamkos and Doughty are not eligible for arbitration.
[...] Weber's move is seen as a sign of dissatisfaction with Newport, a sign that he wants to stay in Nashville first and foremost.
In other words, Weber was being pressured by his agents to go for the big payday and screw the team. Weber didn't want to do that, so he left. Is there any reason to believe the same pressure is not being applied to Doughty or Stamkos?
There is a belief he will avoid arbitration and sign with the Predators (probably in the neighbourhood of $6-$6.3 million per year). [Many people are] happy to see this. And it's not just other agents. Newport's power makes it a target, and when sharks smell blood in the water, you know what happens.
That's why it will be interesting to watch where things end up with these players. They all have leverage, but there are plenty of people whispering, "It's not being used properly."
I made this comment in a previous post, re Smyth and Doughty:
My problem, and it’s pretty much always my reaction in these situations, is that the agents don’t represent the interests of the clients. They represent the interests of the agents. The NHLPA doesn’t protect the interests of the players; it represents itself, the power held by the NHLPA. Both bodies have a vested interest in driving players’ salaries as high as possible in every situation. Always, no matter what. They never ever say — for example — "look, you could get $5MM per year, but if your numbers do what most peoples’ numbers do (decline after age 27), your contract will be untradeable and you will end up playing in the AHL for the rest of your contract."
No player ever wants to consider that he is going to decline in any way, so of course he is up to the challenge of continuing to put up whatever numbers got him to this place. But the NHLPA and the agents both replace such people (i.e. everyone) with newer, younger players coming up through the ranks. They simply do not care about Cristobal Huet’s contract, or Brian Rolston, or Sheldon Souray, or whoever. And they don’t tell you that. Why would they?
The NHLPA doesn’t tell its clientele that by voting for the 5% inflator (which they just did), they’re taking money out of every player’s paycheck and redistributing it, mostly to the players who make the most money.
Patrick O`Sullivan got bad advice [from his agent Pat Morris, partner of Meehan] and more or less destroyed his career. I don’t think I’m exaggerating when I say that. Maybe he was always going to fall off the face of the earth. But somebody should have told him, "kid, you have a new coach and you need to be there for camp, or you’re going to be playing catch-up all season."
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We agree on the cap thing.
I wrote an article last year about why horrifyingly front-loaded contacts were bad for the average NHLer. The net effect of this inflator appears to be the same: more money goes to the top 5% of players, costing the rank-and-file more money in escrow.
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Quisp, Look at Item #20 From That Article
As far as Claude Julien is concerned, Bobby Orr would have been a Dickhead. :-)
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
You mean the agents are out for themselves?
What kind of a world is this?
I wouldn’t be surprised if there are incidents wherein big time free agents want to stay in small markets but was pressured by the NHLPA to go where the big money is…
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If DD was smart, he'd just ask JJ to do his contract for him.
Kind of like when my fanbelt broke on my car. I didn’t know how to fix it, because I suck at that stuff. One of my buddies from work came over and fixed it for me, and it only cost me a 6 pack (which I drank 1/2 of).
not sure if anyone posted this but here is Puck Prospectus’ analysis on the Doughty/ Simmonds negotiations.
Quite possibly the only LA Kings fan living in Brooklyn, New York.
Better not tell Meehan and Morris.
His corsi, and relative corsi have been improving? Shocking! since so many fans have argued with me throughout the season that their sick and tired of DD always coughing up the puck in key situations, and that he’s getting worse. His offensive numbers did take a dip this season, and I agree with them that DL could use that as a way to get a bargain price for him, even though his GVT are comparable to guys like Zdeno Chara, Dan Boyle, Duncan Keith and Shea Weber, as far as controlling the flow of the game, and that he should be paid something similar salary wise.
I like their breakdown, although I’m a little disappointed with their analysis of the Simmers situation. I do agree though, and see DL more likely playing hardball there, and Simmers excepting whatever is offered as fair. Hopefully DL is, fair there.
I like their breakdown, although I’m a little disappointed with their analysis of the Simmers situation. I do agree though, and see DL more likely playing hardball there, and Simmers excepting whatever is offered as fair. Hopefully DL is, fair there.
You have to remember though that Lombardi LOVES Simmonds. He let him stay on his couch over the summer so he could be in LA and workout every day to improve the summer before he made the team. DL may try to get a lower cap hit for the good of the team cap space but I really don’t see him just trying to screw Simmonds over because he can.
I agree with you. DL is pretty protective of his draft picks. Almost like father like. I more or less just hope that the number isn’t just something Simmers will take, but one that will make him happy to be here for a long time. Maybe I’m just a little vested in Simmers myself.
I like Simmonds too, but if someone else offers him $2 million or something, they should let him go. It might hurt a bit in the short term, but he’s really not worth more IMO, and I think our prospects would furnish a replacement pretty soon.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Agree $2 mil might be too steep for Simmonds
Especially with Clifford improving as the season progressed. However, I doubt anyone is going to offer Simmonds that.
I just read that this morning, and I’m writing something up.
I think the analysis is OK as far as it goes, but it would give a more complete picture if they took quality of teammates into consideration. Simmer had slightly better luck last year and worse shooting luck this year, it’s true, but he looks at Qualcomp and Corsi without also looking at linemates.
Qualteam the last three years: -.027, .036, -.214
Corsi Rel QoT: -1.800, -.908, -1.646
So either way you look at it, there was a spike last season. Basically, in that year, injuries caused more line shuffling and he had more opportunities to play in the top 6 with Kopi. Even the bottom six was better in terms of skill and possession when Frolov was there. So the season of his highest production was also the season where he had teammates in the middle of the pack in terms of skill rather than the lower end. For a guy with no power play time like Simmonds, that is going to affect his production.
I do think he had a bit less hustle in his game this year, but the job was also tougher.
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*And by “last season” I meant 2009-10; I should get used to thinking of 2011-12 as “this season” now, I suppose.
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I've brought up the Fro factor being a factor with Simmonds before.
I have theorized before that alot of Simmers’ kind of “lost fawn” type of play this season can be directly linked to not having a player who excells at his type of game, to emulate, like a Frolov. Never occured to me to match up his teammates Corsi Rel QoT this season, compared to last season.
It’s also partly because I’m a lazy ass, and figured it wasn’t going to get me anywhere to research further, since Fro’s gone.
I agree, Charlie gets the #1 claim to that…but when the players use it as a nickname for Wayne, it creeps in.
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I'll be a one-upper
and let you all know that I took a “Meat Train” sign to Staples with me during a 2010 game against the Bruins.
Niesy did a nice job of elaborating on my point: I get really annoyed when fans use nicknames for players that are mostly reserved for other teammates or employees that are actually in the organization (Coaches, Trainers, GM). The theft of players’ nicknames by the commentors at LAKI is soooo over done. It’s a ridiculous pet-peeve on my part, for sure. But just because I have played roller hockey at Ventura College and Skate San Diego and read Hammond’s blog, I am not entitled to the same familiarity and sense of commradere that Doughty and Clifford share with Simmonds.
Again, this is just me being absurd, but that’s my opinion.
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 22, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a sign too. We can be tied.
Except I was working with a marker that was running out of ink, so your sign was probably bigger.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
It's not the size of the sign
but what you do with the sign that counts the most!
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 22, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I was at the B’s game this year too, with a B’s fan. Suck it, Bruins! (no sign though *frowny face)
@Quisp – is there some kind of separate message board we could set for next year that could make it possible to meet up and put faces to names? Just thinking out loud.
Sounds like you should start a FanPost about that.
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 22, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard the motion of the ocean also has something to do with it.
by Passemoilapuck on Jun 22, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
and let you all know that I took a "Meat Train" sign to Staples with me during a 2010 game against the Bruins.
I had a sign too.
My admiration for both you and Niesy has increased tenfold. Rudy, only onefold.
Sorry for the blockquotes.
by whine_country on Jun 22, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry for the blockquotes.
You’re confusing us with Anaheim Calling. That’s where they don’t like block quotes, so they use numbers.
Free Oscar Moeller
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 22, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yes, I've seen it.
Hence my reference. Numbers used only inconsistently, apparently.
Ah well, it’s all in good fun, right?
by whine_country on Jun 22, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I got the same look when I tried to get a “Dashing” chant started in my section.
by Passemoilapuck on Jun 22, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll see how fast Penner moves this season before starting any movement. :)
by Passemoilapuck on Jun 22, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I think also just noticed a major error in that article's stat line
I have Behind the Net up right now, and for 2010-11 I see his Corsi Rel QoC as .622, not negative at all. In fact, it’s the highest of all forwards on the team who played at least 50 games.
So…the strength of his competition did not decrease by that measure, then. Wow.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
oh yeah it is a mistake they meant Corsi QoC not Rel
Quite possibly the only LA Kings fan living in Brooklyn, New York.
I think Rel Corsi QoC is a better, because it helps pick out good players on bad teams. Hm. Seems sloppy.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Interesting article for you stat geeks. http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=986
Please re-sign Doughty
I bought his jersey earlier in the year with the explicit promise from you guys that he would be re-signed.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jun 22, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions
I’ll buy it from you. :) But I think you’ll be needing it for a long time.
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As long as it stays relevant for at least as long as my Gomez jersey. Which ended up getting turned into Staal.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jun 22, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad for the Habs that Gomez didn’t actually turn into a Staal.
On second thought, *^&$ the Habs.
by whine_country on Jun 22, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It was when he was on the Rangers. Put an 8 over the 9 and a Staal nameplate over Gomez.
They did manage to turn Gomez into essentially Marian Gaborik, Ryan McDonagh and Brandon Prust so that was a pretty big win.
by MyFavBaseballSquadron on Jun 22, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
re: contracts
Just heard on nhl home ice that Stamkos is very close to getting his contract signed, which makes me wonder what could be holding up DD’s. Anyway, there is still just over a week to go till July 1st, which is a long time, in one sense…… and not so long in another.















