Draft Day, Part 2: Open Thread

by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:24 AM PDT in Prospects

The second round and beyond: now featuring the excitement of actually having picks!

Who will Lombardi and co. draft at #49? Which prospects do you have your eye on? Will Futa and Yannetti bolster their reputation for finding late-round gems?

Come by and share your thoughts.

We'll also keep an eye on Smyth updates. Word from McKenzie is that the Brule deal has fallen though over health issues, and Tambo's head is still firmly up his ass.

Six picks total: 49th, 80th, 110th, 140th, ~~170th~~ [UPDATE: traded to NSH w/ 2012 3rd rounder for #82], and 200th. Yeah, it's early. But never too early for prospect excitement.

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We actually kept #49?

I thought that went in the Richards trade…

Boo Rocco Grimaldi not falling to us…

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:27 AM PDT reply actions

Quisp mentioned that it was a 2012 2nd rounder, but that was a crazy day, maybe you missed it. Here’s the list at the Kings website as confirmation.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions

Hey, Nieto is a boy from Long Beach. Way to go, Cali.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:31 AM PDT reply actions

Matt Nieto taken

Damn it Sharks

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:31 AM PDT reply actions

SUOMI!

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:32 AM PDT reply actions

A goalie?

Christopher Gibson

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:32 AM PDT reply actions

Christopher Gibson, come on down.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:32 AM PDT reply actions

Oh LAK, one day you will actually want at least a few LW prospects.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:33 AM PDT reply actions

Nevar!!!

We shall continue drafting D…

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions

as a Red Wings fan

regardless of depth at other positions, you can never have enough defensemen

You wanna tell me that to mah face?!

by uvgt2bkdnme on Jun 25, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions

And more blue chip goalies. I know we have quality more than quantity there, but c’mon.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions

i'm not sure what to think of the white version of the home-plate jersey

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by uvgt2bkdnme on Jun 25, 2011 8:33 AM PDT reply actions

It's much better than the black version, in my opinion

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

it's growing on me the more i see it on Gibson

but . . . i don’t know, it just feels weird to see, especially since it was based off the less-than-stellar black version.

i say “less-than-stellar” knowing fully well that i was lucky enough to nab a Doughty third jersey at Team LA during the 09-10 season.

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by uvgt2bkdnme on Jun 25, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions

And there are the new whites! I don’t hate them, but that version is bland.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:34 AM PDT reply actions

I was beginning to wonder if the scouting staff was averse to Finland.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:36 AM PDT reply actions

Oh, his mom crying tears of joy. Happy families are the best part of the draft.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:37 AM PDT reply actions

Is that Gibson's mom?

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions

Yup

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions

Mixed martial arts from his dad. That is SO BADASS.

I know he won’t start tackling forwards like Timmy Thomas, but I can’t get that image out of my mind.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions

I never will. That was the hit of the finals, if not the playoffs, if not the whole freaking year!!!

Well, it was great.

by whine_country on Jun 25, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions

I laughed when it happen. And laughed, and laughed. Then there were hands in the air and a WOOOOO.

How can you not love that?

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions

BTW Gibson, if you make it to the NHL, please take out Corey Perry.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions

that's not too difficult if Perry can't even touch Pavel Datsyuk

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by uvgt2bkdnme on Jun 25, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions

Yet another reason to build and altar and worship Pasha as our wizard divine.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Miikka Salomaki gone...

Sigh…

Let’s go Joachim Nermark…

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:37 AM PDT reply actions

WOO!

i like Gipson’s shirt-tie combo!

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by uvgt2bkdnme on Jun 25, 2011 8:38 AM PDT reply actions

It was rather snazzy.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions

Very well spoken. Man, so many languages.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:40 AM PDT reply actions

Shit

Dreger says Tanguay extended… They’re out in terms of Smyth

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:40 AM PDT reply actions

Oh well.

I’d honestly like to keep Smyth if his family wasn’t an issue. At least the first report from McKenzie indicated that he’d be ok if a trade couldn’t be worked out.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions

Wow Victor Rask at 42

His stock just absolutely crashed this year…

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:43 AM PDT reply actions

Here’s a bit more on Gibson: long term project, obviously, but the top-ranked goalie by CSS.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:46 AM PDT reply actions

heh, typo, CBS

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions

Nikita Filatov got traded for the No.66 pick?

CBJ must have really hated him

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:46 AM PDT reply actions

Maybe they thought he was never coming back.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions

still

horrible use of a No. 6 overall.

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by uvgt2bkdnme on Jun 25, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, you’d think there would have been more interest.

You have to wonder what would have happened, if Hitchcock hadn’t been the coach…

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions

i'm inclined to agree with JJ from Winging it in Motown

“Ken Hitchcock is a better coach than Filatov is a player.”

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by uvgt2bkdnme on Jun 25, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions

Good point. I still wonder what player he could have become with a different approach.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions

Sheeesh

Huberdeau kinda looks like Luc

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 8:50 AM PDT reply actions

Alright, here’s Gibson’s draft prospect profile. Ranked #2 goalie by CSS (right letters this time).

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions

Seth Ambroz and Nick Shore still on the board

A bit of a stunner

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:04 AM PDT reply actions

If the Kings weren’t going to keep Brule around, who cares if he’s injured or even alive?

by soccersucks on Jun 25, 2011 9:06 AM PDT reply actions

Think before you type Dumas. If he’s injured, you can’t buy him out; see Drury, Chris.

by soccersucks on Jun 25, 2011 9:07 AM PDT reply actions

Yeah, this article from Edmonton mentions a “legal snag.”

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions

God, if that deal never goes through, it will go down as the ultimate fan-tease.

IT’S NOT LIKE SMYTH IS WORTHLESS, YOU DUMB BASTARDS.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:10 AM PDT reply actions

Arg, Lucia was one of the LWs I read up on. Like a fool.

I know they do BPA, except when they didn’t in ’07 and ’08 and put an emphasis on defensemen, but damn!

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:13 AM PDT reply actions

We can't see who the Kings are picking

Thanks, NHL Network

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions

Seriously eff that

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions

Andy Andreoff?

Huh?

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions

Futa’s OHL connection strikes again, no doubt.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions

A LW

Your wish is the Kings’ command…

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions

FINALLY.

Nick Shore.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions

YES!!!

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

Also, YES

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions

So how do you really feel about that pick, Paulie?

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 25, 2011 9:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions

YES

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions

Looks like he can play LW, C, and RW. Jeebus.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions

Oh look, he’s already got a page on Hockey Fights.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:22 AM PDT reply actions

back to back centers

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by BoulderDodger on Jun 25, 2011 9:23 AM PDT reply actions

Thought Shore was a RW

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions

I see various places calling him a center.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions

Nick Shore’s player profile at HF.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:26 AM PDT reply actions

Oh DL. Red clown tie with a purple shirt? He must be losing sleep.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:27 AM PDT reply actions

Grilling ribeye steaks and watching the NHL draft before 9:30 on a Saturday morning

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Everyone else 0

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 25, 2011 9:28 AM PDT via mobile reply actions

Aw, man, now I’m hungry.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions

What'd they give up for #82?

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:29 AM PDT reply actions

I don’t think the NHL network ever bothered to do reporting on that.

Because they’re only covering the draft, dontcha know?

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions

Or covering hockey families apparently

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions

Rich Hammond comes through:

The Kings gave up a 2012 third-round pick and their sixth-round pick (No. 170) to get the No. 82 pick. More info to come…

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions

georgemalik

“The 1st round is painful to watch because it takes forever. The 2nd-7th are terrible because NHL Net pretends to cover it”

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by uvgt2bkdnme on Jun 25, 2011 9:33 AM PDT reply actions

Aww

Joachim Nermark got taken by the Avs…

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:38 AM PDT reply actions

whats the word on him?

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by BoulderDodger on Jun 25, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions

A center, but can play wing

A sleeper, top scorer at the Hlinka tournament last year

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions

i see, thanks for the info

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by BoulderDodger on Jun 25, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions

Colin Jacobs was still on the board?!?

What?

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:48 AM PDT reply actions

Here’s even more on Nick Shore.

Shore is a skillful, two-way forward that is blessed with tremendous hockey sense and great hands. He thinks the game remarkably well and possesses the ability to dictate the tempo of a game. His anticipation is very good and makes smart decisions both with and without the puck.

The young center’s hands coupled with his superb on-ice vision allow him to find open teammates and get very crisp tape-to-tape passes to them. Shore also possesses a good, active stick and does a good job of taking away lanes from opposing players.

He is strong in transition and is equally at home playing both offense and defense. Although he plays center for the University of Denver, Shore can also play on the wing. He uses his 6’0 200 pound frame quite advantageously, particularly in high traffic areas. He also brings passion and grit to his game, and doesn’t shy away from the physical side of it.

Two way center, who would have thought they would find that attractive.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:49 AM PDT reply actions

Any thing left for 2012 ?

I think we’ve traded the 2012 #2 (Philly), the #3 (Penner deal) and another #3 (from Leafs) to Nashville for the Shore pick ?

by jkaflagg on Jun 25, 2011 9:52 AM PDT reply actions

Yeah, it’s a new era, that’s for sure.

Must’ve really wanted Shore for that.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions

Michael Mersch from Wisconsin

Don’t know this guy either… A LW, yay!

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by Paul Udani on Jun 25, 2011 9:52 AM PDT reply actions

Someone compared him to Tomas Holmstrom. (!)

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions

Like the Mersch pick......

Slow, but big, tough and skilled….will be a matter of playing him in the right role with the right player…..

by jkaflagg on Jun 25, 2011 9:55 AM PDT reply actions

Mersch is from my dad’s hometown…. don’t know how i feel about that ;)

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by BoulderDodger on Jun 25, 2011 9:57 AM PDT reply actions

I think it was Yannetti who said we wanted “wings with size.” Speed isn’t bad either, guys.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 9:57 AM PDT reply actions

McKenzie’s final rankings had Gibson at #42 (“Good positionally, challenges the shooter, solid rebound control, decent quickness”, lacks ginormo size), Shore at #54 (“cerebral,” projects as “reliable bottom-line center with intangibles”).

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:07 AM PDT reply actions

Ginormo size is an overrated player trait these days. Cerebral is where it’s really at!

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 25, 2011 10:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Have them do Sudoku at the combine!

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions

nooooo

kakuro is where it’s at

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by uvgt2bkdnme on Jun 25, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions

That’s great! I wonder if these sorts of things are reviving interest in magic squares…

by whine_country on Jun 25, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions

Dustin Byfuglien wearing a Dodgers cap?

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by uvgt2bkdnme on Jun 25, 2011 10:12 AM PDT reply actions

Yes he is, haha. Awesome.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions

Woooooooooooo!

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 25, 2011 10:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Looks like Mersch fell from his midterm and final rankings.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions

Hockey Prospectus (who had him 98th):

Michael Mersch didn’t have a great year from a counting statistics viewpoint, but his rapid physical development and how well he fit in the college game was reason for optimism. He skates at a decent level, and looks like he will be able to move with pros just fine. Mersch’s puck skills are average, although he does look uncoordinated at times and his hands shine more when he’s playing in front of the net on the power play rather than creating in open ice. He can be adequate though in regards to distributing, but I’m not sure he will be pro-average at that. His frame is already remarkably filled out for a first-time draft eligible, and he’s one of the bigger players in the NCAA as a freshman at 6’2". Mersch can be a handful to deal with in the physical areas, although his strength is not all the way there yet. There is little doubt though by the time he is 20 he will be a physically dominant college player and projects as a solid-average player in that regard in the pro game. He works hard, and all his traits point towards at least a fourth line pro, and possibly more than that if his defensive game is refined.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:25 AM PDT reply actions

Joel Lowry at 140. CSS #95 for NA skaters.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions

Oh Landeskog. Thank you for those combine pics. I’d never been jealous of calipers before.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:38 AM PDT reply actions

So, what in the heck was allegedly wrong with Ambroz?

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 10:45 AM PDT reply actions

Cover the actual draft, FFS. WHY IS THIS THING ON

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 11:14 AM PDT reply actions

The Final Round: Now With 98% Less Relevance To Actual Event

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 11:19 AM PDT reply actions

“Stuck” with Dionne. Man, what a competitor. A pleasure to watch him when I was a kiddo.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 11:24 AM PDT reply actions

— 6’3" Swedish LW Michael Schumacher. Not that I got this from the “Live Draft Coverage” of pre-taped segments.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions

drafted from Team Ferrari

Overqualified in an underqualified world since 2008.

by Pure Azure on Jun 25, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions

I’d say Schumacher makes it 3 WTF picks for the Kings today; but if one of them eventually makes it, that’s a win. One thing was that was good to see was no smurfs; we’ve already got enough of those in the system.

by jkaflagg on Jun 25, 2011 11:35 AM PDT reply actions

Good point. Since the farm system has more depth, I think they feel more freedom to go boom-or-bust. Though really every player later on carries giant question marks.

Gambling is fun.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions

Schumacher’s Awards

2009-2010 J18 Allsvenskan SM-bronze Medal
   J18 Elit (South) Best Plus/Minus (+30)
2010-2011 J18 Allsvenskan Champion
   J20 SuperElit Champion
   Junior European Trophy Champion

Awards by league
- J18 Allsvenskan Champion 10/11
- J18 Allsvenskan SM-bronze Medal 09/10
- J18 Elit (South) Best Plus/Minus 09/10
- J20 SuperElit Champion 10/11
- Junior European Trophy Champion 10/11

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 11:42 AM PDT reply actions

Great info, thanks…..with the Euros, it’s always interesting how the scouts will describe their fantastic skating ability, scoring touch, terrific work ethic etc etc….then you see the stats, and they scored like 2 goals and 2 assists in 49 games…..I know that playing time in Europe (especially for young guys on established teams)- can be tough to come by, but you also wonder just how many times scouts could have seen these guys and are projecting them for greatness based on a couple of good tournament games……Anyway, hopefully Schumacher will someday make us all forget the legend of Jens Karlsson……

by jkaflagg on Jun 25, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Man, Kings really wanted Shore. He seems like he could be a good value, maybe a steal.

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by Great Ice-Pectations on Jun 25, 2011 12:03 PM PDT reply actions

shitty draft

Nobody to be excited about like last yeras Forbort Toffoli Weal Kitsyn Gravel now that was a draft. The third round guy is another ECHL Pelech. Gibson another Emery. Frig this draft should’ve traded all the picks have no picks at all that would be cool.

by Totentanz on Jun 25, 2011 2:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions

Not all draft years are created equal, that’s true. Just getting a role player would beat the odds. May happen.

Gibson is supposed to be the best goalie in the Q, so there’s that.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, when I read about Andreoff, sounded like a Bud Holloway clone…..so I think he has 3-4 years of working his butt off in Ontario and Manchester to get a look by the Kings, just like Bud……

Wouldn’t be too down on Gibson; didn’t see anyone especially interesting drafted after him, and you can’t have enough goal tending depth, lest you forget about halcyon days of Yuka Fukufuji, Barry Brust and an ancient Sean Burke…..

Agree that this looked like average draft year for everyone; the quality really dropped off after the 9th or 10th pick….surprised that DL didn’t dump a few more picks into next year, since we have no 2nd or 3rd then…….Hopefully he can extract at least a 2012 4th rounder for Smyth to help fill out that draft.

by jkaflagg on Jun 25, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions

wrong wrong wrong

This draft would have been great to see Penner take his disgusting fat body somewhere else. Package him with some picks somewhere maybe Toronto and then to see Smyth ftrade completed. Frig the picks bring in some fresh bodies for them. Gilbert Brule Gilbert Godfrey I don’t care whatever.

by Totentanz on Jun 25, 2011 3:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

I’d rather see Penner with the linemates he was supposed to complement, after one summer of serious conditioning, before we write him off.

I don’t think he’ll ever be fast, but it would be bad asset management not to even try to see how he pans out. There truly aren’t many LW alternatives out there, and there haven’t been for a while.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions

shit

Gagne Sturm Miettinen Cole Ponikorovsky all have more heart than that fat piece of shit. I was down on Doughty but then again Drew is 20 this guy is almost 30. Ship his fat ass out!

by Totentanz on Jun 25, 2011 3:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Well that was colorful.

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by Niesy on Jun 25, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions

DL says he is working hard this summer for what it’s worth and he isn’t shy about calling players out.

I will put my money on a contract year and a full training camp with new teammates vs a 1/4 of a season without the center he was supposed to play with.

by sstephen17 on Jun 25, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions

put my money

Ill put my money he friitters away another year being a healthy scratch or getting pushed to the fourth line because he’s not going to compete hard and show up every game every shift

by Totentanz on Jun 26, 2011 3:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

I'm wondering why you chose Emery as the comparison for Gibson?

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by DodgerBlueBalls on Jun 26, 2011 12:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

cause

Just to get some snivelling political correctness idiots to ask why.

by Totentanz on Jun 26, 2011 3:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

I can see you are new here…perhaps there are other pages to go troll at?

by JZarris on Jun 26, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions

yeah

If by troll you mean I am here for the sole purpose of disruption than you are wrong. This is actually how I am and how I feel. By the way you say there are other places to troll? Can you name a few good ones?

by Totentanz on Jun 26, 2011 8:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

All right, everyone, let’s simmer down.

Totentanz, tone down the language. You can defend the Emery reference without namecalling. It just invites more of the same and detracts from actual discussion.

In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC

by Niesy on Jun 27, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions