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Drew Doughty looks to become highest paid King | ProHockeyTalk
[...] While the organization was giving its best sales pitch to the most sought after unrestricted free agent on the market, their best restricted free agent made his intentions clear. A report as surfaced on Friday that Drew Doughty would like to be the highest paid player on the team next season. This is on a team with Anze Kopitar making $6.8 million per season. Clearly, neither Drew Doughty, nor his agent Don Meehan believes the second contract should "bridge" the player to their veteran years. [...] This season Doughty came to camp in poor shape. He had an extremely slow start to the season due in large part to his poor conditioning; then to make matters worse he suffered a concussion early in the season. Once he rounded into shape and shook off the effects of the concussion, he showed signs in the second half of the player that has all the potential in the world. [...] Then again, a guy who is asking for this kind of money should lead his team in most major categories. Even though he was widely regarded as the Kings best blueliner last season, he didn’t even lead the defensive corps in scoring. The Kings organization wants Doughty to show a higher level of commitment before they give him a superstar contact offer. There were thoughts that he’d be offered a short-term deal similar to Jack Johnson’s previous contract to prove himself to the organization. Once he proved his dedication, the Kings would reward him with a long-term deal like they did with Johnson. Dean Lombardi has repeatedly tried to build Los Angeles by paying players on what they’ve accomplished—not their potential. When they perform on the ice, then they are compensated for their accomplishments. With these desires, it looks like Doughty just wants to skip over the "proving" portion of his career and jump straight to the payday. Two seasons ago he looked like he was on his way; but it’s hard to give a lucrative multi-year deal to a player who took a noticeable step back in his third year. [...] It’s doubtful that another team would tender an offer sheet for Doughty, but if they did it could certainly back the Kings into a corner [...].

Eleven days ago, I said this: 

Star-divide

Quisp Notes: Lombardi on Doughty contract [UPDATED with tinfoil hat Smyth rumor connection!] - Jewels From The Crown

We [Lombardi] know the ballpark of the number he's looking for, the term he's looking for, who he thinks the comparables are. We know that he either wants a contract to take him to UFA status, or he doesn't mind falling short of that. We know if he is wiling to get paid around what Jack Johnson got, and, if not, how much more than JJ money it's going to take. Also, we know whether or not he thinks he deserves to be paid as much as Anze Kopitar. 

He does. 

Based on Helene Elliott's characterization of those meetings, that Lombardi was "blistered" by Meehan, and that there were a series of offers, not just one "serious" offer, I think it's reasonable to assume Meehan is looking for many more dollars than Lombardi can afford.

[...] I do find the phrase "if this is going to get done" a little troubling. [...] I think it's reasonable at least to consider the possibility that Lombardi is bringing up the whole conditioning thing -- and the need for Doughty to get to work early and not waste his summer negotiating this contract and put himself at a disadvantage next season -- as a veiled threat.

I said consider the possibility. Don't freak out.  [UPDATE: okay, maybe a little]

It's not insane to interpret the story so far as "look what happened to Patrick O'Sullivan. He got all distracted and played badly and got traded. He should have been working out all summer instead." It might be a little alarmist to make that interpretation, but I don't think it's entirely disconnected from reality.

Reports today (from Helene Elliott via Twitter) suggest that the current Richards offer from Lombardi is around $7MM cap hit. Let's assume that's the case. If Richards were to sign at that rate, the Kings would have -- per my previous post on the Kings cap outlook -- another $5.4MM to give to Doughty, which is obviously not nearly what Doughty is looking for. Of course, they could simply eat into the summer 10% allowance and give Doughty (for example) $7,000,000.01 (keeping in mind that he wants to be the highest paid King), but then they would have a couple million of salary to dump over the summer, with everyone on the planet knowing Lombardi must deal (not a great position to be in). It also occurs to me that Doughty might be waiting to sign until after Richards goes wherever, just so he can accurately gauge this whole "highest paid King" thing.

p.s. I think the desire to be the highest paid player is misguided and disappointing. This is, after all, the same thing that drove the idiot Kovalchuk to insist on $10MM a year (in order to top his friend Alex Ovechkin). And Kovalchuk at least had scored five million goals. Probably Meehan would argue that Doughty has won four times the playoff games that Kovalchuk has, and that's worth something. Unfortunately, Lombardi (contrary to what Matt says in the article above) paid Kopitar for his potential, not for his past performance, and the fact is he still hasn't reached that potential. All the talk about Kopitar the Kings best defensive forward underlines this. My bottom line is that, while it may be sexy to get the big contract and get to say he's the highest paid whatever, the fact that he appears to expect this while not having actually done anything (yet) to deserve it tells me he's possibly been reading his press clippings when he should be considering what effect his (so far undeserved, if true) salary demands would have on the rest of the team. 

But I'm getting ahead of myself. 

If the Kings were to sign Richards at a cap hit of $7MM, and Doughty at a cap hit of $7MM-and-one-cent, they would need to dump at least one expensive roster player to make room. The candidates:

None of these options is desirable. Stoll could be dealt but that would leave us with Andrei Loktionov and either Brad Richardson or Trevor Lewis centering the bottom six, and that's possibly a little light on experience. Loktionov and Lewis could do this in 2012, but I'm not sure about 2011. Penner, I'm sure a lot of people would like to dump him on Florida or someone, but swapping him out for Brad Richards still leaves us with a hole at LW, and I don't know if Richards and Parse is better than Penner and Parse. Brown could go (and might even want to go if Doughty ends up getting more than double Brown's salary -- that's some reward for Brownie buying Lombardi's team-building speech), but now that Wayne Simmonds is gone, we would have a hole on the right side until Tyler Toffoli is ready, and I don't think that's going to be this year (as much as I would like it to be). Greene, like Stoll, is needed until the young'uns -- Jake Muzzin is the closest -- are ready. I guess if I had to pick, I would dump Greene because (a) he has value and (b) he's slow, and the idea of getting rid of Ryan Smyth, Michal Handzus, Alexei Ponikarovsky and Matt Greene (the four slowest Kings) in one off-season, and replacing them with Mike Richards, Brad Richards, Jarret Stoll (replacing Handzus at C3), Trevor Lewis, maybe Loktionov, and Muzzin (or better yet, Viatcheslav Voynov -- one of the fastest skaters on the planet) is enough to make me giggle with dreams of world domination.

But, again, I get ahead of myself. 

Because we also need to know that, if we sign Richards, we can still afford to match an offer sheet for Doughty. Obviously, we can match something in the $7-9MM range; we would just have to get rid of two of Stoll, Penner, Greene and Brown, instead of just one. That would be painful, but doable. The question is, if we sign Richards, does that leave us vulnerable to an offer sheet that's so insane we couldn't match it because doing so would exceed even the summer 110% cap ceiling? 

The Kings' summer cap room is $19.9MM. Subtract $7MM for Richards, and $1MM for breathing room with the other qualifying offers (see the above-linked cap post for an explanation of that). That leaves $11.9MM. The max salary for next season is $12.8MM. 

So, yes, the Kings could sign Richards and then be hit with a $12.8MM cap hit offer sheet for Doughty which they could not match without FIRST dumping salary on the order of about a million dollars (to get under the summer cap), and then subsequently dumping another $6-7MM (to get under the regular season cap).

Which would mean, really, pick three of Brown, Greene, Stoll and Penner. 

Don't forget we have to replace those bodies with minimum wage employees from Manchester, and that adds a couple million to the cap hit. And, worse, having matched Doughty, we would be vulnerable to an offer sheet for Lewis or Martinez, which we might not be able to match. And we would likely not be able to afford all of Martinez, Lewis and Richardson anyway, since the numbers figured into the summer cap hit are the qualifying numbers, not the final contracts, and those guys are going to want raises. Not much, but every penny would count in this, the nightmare scenario.

And in that scenario, what would the team look like? I'll take a stab at it:

Parse - Kopitar - Williams

Richards - Richards - Brown 

Clifford - Loktionov - Moller

Clune/Westgarth - Lewis - Richardson

Mitchell - Doughty

Scuderi - Johnson

Martinez - Muzzin

Quick - Bernier

Yeah, I don't know. I would be tempted to take the four first round picks and let Voynov, Thomas Hickey, Martinez and Nicolas Deslauriers duke it out in camp. 

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While the organization was giving its best sales pitch to the most sought after unrestricted free agent on the market, their best restricted free agent made his intentions clear. A report as surfaced on Friday that Drew Doughty would like to be the highest paid player on the team next season.

Huh, Doughty made his intentions clear? Let’s check out that report and see what he said:

As talks continue between the Los Angeles Kings and Drew Doughty, it appears the star defenseman is looking to become the highest paid player on the team.

“Appears?” Wait, I thought it was clear?

A source close to the situation confirmed to TFP that Doughty is looking for an annual salary worth more than the $6.8 million star center Anze Kopitar is currently earning.

Oh, so Doughty didn’t actually say anything. Well, at least the source is close to the situation. Is he a Kings source, a source for Doughty’s agent, what? It’s kind of funny that this report came out as Dean was heading to Toronto to talk to Brad Richards, I guess. Anyway, let’s see what else it says:

Oh cool, doesn’t say. Doesn’t say that this is a change from what Dean Lombardi already knew. Doesn’t say that Lombardi was uncomfortable with it. Doesn’t say anything, really.

Guess I better get all worked up about it.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Jul 1, 2011 8:17 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think going all the way to the point where they’re trading Greene, Stoll and Penner is a little out there.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Jul 1, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, that came out more dickish than I meant it to. I’m just saying, it came out the first day of free agency when the Kings were going out after Brad Richards. It could have been another team or Doughty’s agent putting pressure on the Kings. It could be a week old report and things have changed right now. Plus, I didn’t see anyone pick the story up and confirm it. It just seems weak to me.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Jul 1, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, always beware the unsourced, outlier rumor

At this point, I’d have to say that if Hammond picks it up and says there’s trouble, then there’s trouble. Otherwise, take a deep breath and find something pleasant to take your mind off of it.

"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly

by DougX on Jul 1, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a day when James Wisniewski of all people got a massive payday. I guess I just see this as a natural part of the league-wide salary inflation.

And I’m still not worried.

In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC

by Niesy on Jul 1, 2011 8:25 PM PDT reply actions  

PS I thought reports had the Kings’ offer to Brad Richards maxing out at a 6.5 cap hit?

In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC

by Niesy on Jul 1, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Either way, Q:

I gotta feeling…

Brad Richards is coming to the Kings.

by BakoCA on Jul 1, 2011 8:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Stoll could be dealt but that would leave us with Andrei Loktionov and either Brad Richardson or Trevor Lewis centering the bottom six, and that’s possibly a little light on experience. Loktionov and Lewis could do this in 2012, but I’m not sure about 2011.

Also: Mike Richards is the new and improved Handzus. He can be the stopper line and still outscore opponents, though probably it will be split between him and Kopitar. That leaves easier comp for the bottom 6 centers, and I think Lewis/Richardson can handle it.

Then again, Lokti has to get acclimated some time…

In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC

by Niesy on Jul 1, 2011 8:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Loki should be our 3rd line center whether we sign Brad Richards, trade Stoll, whatever. This is more important to me than who we sign in free agency.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Jul 1, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t it be better to have Mike Richards center the stopper line and Loki as the pivot for the secondary scoring line?

Free Oscar Moeller

by DodgerBlueBalls on Jul 1, 2011 8:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

The 3rd line would be the secondary scoring line. I refuse to follow social norms!

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Jul 1, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got what you were saying!

Seriously, this is exciting. There is a handful of players who can do what Richards can. We’re going to use that, and it will be a brand new world.

In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC

by Niesy on Jul 1, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

*Mike Richards…arrgh…couldn’t they have different names or something

In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC

by Niesy on Jul 1, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I want is a Richards-Richards-Richardson line.

Please, Flying Spaghetti Monster, give that to me =)

by Garrett79 on Jul 1, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then we'll have a Bob Miller drinking game

Every time he says “Brad Richards… to Mike Richards” or vice-versa, take a shot.

Two shots whenever he apologizes because he has confused the two.

"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly

by DougX on Jul 1, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be so mean to Bob Miller, but at the same time I think he’d be ok with it if the Kings win the Cup.

By the way, acquiring Brad Richards and signing Doughty could necessitate the trading of Dustin Brown so Brad Richardson might have to do duty on the 2nd line.

Actually I think Brad Richards is your top line LW if the Kings sign him though.

by Garrett79 on Jul 1, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we’ll be hammered by the end of the first period

by JZarris on Jul 2, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is a handful of players who can do what Richards can

Braydon Schenn., right?

Mourning Gagne forever.

by ToddtheFox on Jul 1, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, this…

Parse – Kopitar – Williams
Richards – Richards – Brown
Clifford – Loktionov – Moller
Clune/Westgarth – Lewis – Richardson

Mitchell – Doughty
Scuderi – Johnson
Martinez – Muzzin

Quick – Bernier

…doesn’t look so bad to me. Seems doable and not all that compromised.

Having said that, I doubt BRich comes here for millions less than he could get somewhere out east. That allows Dewey to get his $6,800,000.01 contract. Having said THAT, there’s no way Dewey deserves that much money if you compare him to Nik Lidstrom. If you compare him to James Wisniewski, sure, he deserves it. But if you compare him to Wisniewski, I’ll cut you so bad, you’ll wish I no cut you so bad.

by King of Saskatchewan on Jul 1, 2011 8:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Had Doughty arrived in conditiondid not arrive in condition. That should cost him. Its just the gym, man. You play you pay. Now pay by taking a reasonable pay raise, adding BR, hitting the 3rd round or finals and then ask for the big money.

Parse? Always seems so pleasing but never pleases. I would have a hard time factoring him into a plan. Last thing we need is another 10 games and out top line wing.

Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?

by USHA#17 on Jul 1, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec.

Why not make this year our year?

by Doughty99 on Jul 2, 2011 12:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Now pay by taking a reasonable pay raise, adding BR, hitting the 3rd round or finals and then ask for the big money.

I agree with the idea in theory, but he’s elite level talent. There’s a reason why other teams would fall over themselves to offer him that money and more. He had fewer points this year, but he’s playing Chara-like heavy minutes, and TM trusts him to do that at age 21 for a reason.

Lombardi gave Kopitar a huge contract in 2008 based on potential. He has always been critical of Kopi’s conditioning, too, and only recently upgraded him to “average.”

The cap’s rise is going to affect salaries, even if we’d rather it didn’t. And did we think Kopitar was crazy and marched in there demanding to be the highest-paid player on the team when he got 6.8? No. When lower-grade defensemen around the league are making $7 million a year and getting $5.5 cap hits, I think that’s something we an afford.

In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC

by Niesy on Jul 2, 2011 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Highest paid player

If that is in fact the case with DD that’s really disappointing. It’s a concern as is that a 20 year old Norris Trophy candidate came into his 3rd (and contract) season with the team out of shape. It certainly showed the first half of the year and man how lost points the first half would have helped come playoff time.
Not saying that Doughty is one, but man prima donnas are not wanted. Hope this report is a bit exaggerated and whatever deal DD works out its fair for both him and the well being of the Kings.

by Dutch71 on Jul 1, 2011 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I find myself getting hot under the collar if Doughty's demands are true

and he’s the one preventing the signing of what could be the final key to the Kings being a true contender this next season.

Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?

by USHA#17 on Jul 1, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Opps, Hanzus to San Jose, Poni to Carolina.

Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?

by USHA#17 on Jul 1, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Doughty is very good, and has the potential to be great, but there’s a point where the tradeoff isn’t worth it.

by Choralon3 on Jul 1, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, DOUGHboy...

You haven’t ever looked as good in a Kings Uni… As you did this day.. A PROMISE IS A PROMISE BIG FISH! gKg!

http://youtu.be/Uav5N84pSnA

by LBLocal on Jul 1, 2011 9:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Great article about free agent madness, here:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/1018307—cox-the-money-flows-faster-than-common-sense

Outside of Varlamov, and Richards, has ever in the history of hockey such a group of average to good players received such wildly inflationary salaries? Actually, there was such a time. It was back in the early 1970s when the Miami Screaming Eagles and other WHA startup operations were throwing mad money at established NHL players like Derek Sanderson, Bernie Parent and others, a desperate attempt by the fledgling league to gain legitimacy and gate attractions in a series of hastily-considered transactions that it didn’t actually have the wherewithal to pay for.

That seems about right to me.
Funny, but they are now talking about Schenn starting the season with the AHL Phantoms, just to get under the cap…

Talk about insane.

by BakoCA on Jul 1, 2011 9:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Wisniewski is the number one candidate right now for a bad GM hangover (who the hell did I sign last night?). But the frenzy is not over yet.

"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly

by DougX on Jul 1, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

DrewDoughty

I doubt DL and Newport would meet today so long if there were issues around DD getting signed. If DD really wants to be the highest paid King (NOW) move him. Management has worked too hard and too long to let one kid looking for a payday derail the build. Fans deserve more, team deserves more.
But again I don’t think that’s the issue … hard to say, after 30 plus years as a Kings fan I’m too close to the situation. Could just be me bending reality to fit my beliefs.
We’ll know within a few days I’d guess.

by kevin_ebel on Jul 1, 2011 9:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Parse – Kopitar – Williams

Richards – Richards – Brown

Clifford – Loktionov – Moller

Clune/Westgarth – Lewis – Richardson

If you’re paying Brad Richards the kind of money he will be getting he has to be the top line LW.

I propose-

Brad Richards-Kopitar-Williams
Parse-Mike Richards-Brown
Clifford-Loktionov-Richardson
Westgarth-Lewis-?

by Garrett79 on Jul 1, 2011 9:55 PM PDT reply actions  

That is of course assuming Moller stays in Sweden, though I think the door has now been opened for his return if the Kings acquire Brad Richards because they can’t afford to keep Stoll and Penner in that scenario.

I’m also fine with them getting rid of Greene and giving his job to Voinov. Those forwards will need defensemen who move the puck and Voinov does that as well as anyone. Greene sure doesn’t.

by Garrett79 on Jul 1, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget about a face-off man

This past season, the go to face-off guys were Handzus and Stoll. Zeus is gone and Stoll gets moved down to 3rd C. If DD goes and breaks the bank and we keep him, losing Stoll as well will hurt in crucial face off scenarios (and E. Belanger is off the mkt already).

If DD really wants to be the highest paid player on the team, I like you, think he can be but for some other team. Four first round picks and Simon Gagne will make me feel better.

Having said that, I hope it’s not true re: DD and wanting to be the highest paid player. That’s not a player the Kings, or any organization (other than the Leafs and Rangers), deserve. Truly immature (which is what I saw in his play at times during the season…culminating in the game where Vancouver came back during the play-off after our 4 goal lead)

Go Kings.

by kdruff2 on Jul 1, 2011 10:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t chose to believe any of the assumptions that lead to whatever THAT “article” was, nor do I choose to put any stock in Anything that concludes the Kings will have to choose EITHER Drew or Brad Richards. DL has been so unwavering and stedfast in his mission to keep the core intact, he’s not going to risk NOT getting both Drew AND Brad Richards solely b/c Richards and his people listened for 2 hours and Drew’s agent is an unflinching businessman/hardass.

Drew has been a Kings’ fan since he was 3. Just like many of US. He’s living his dream. He’s not ginna abandon it for $1M/yr. for 10 years.

The Canadian media is just trying to break up the poential juggernaut that is the Kings aka Philly West. Juggernaut.

Maybe we get both, maybe it doesn’t happen. But there’s no way DL is risking losing out on both.

Drew + Brad + Mike + Anze is a legitimate possibility.

-Doughty99

by Doughty99 on Jul 1, 2011 10:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Awful

Please Drew, learn from Kovalchuk. Don’t be a dick. You’ll make good money, but do you want to ruin the team to get more? Teams that have to make substantial changes to accommodate one player NEVER do well.

by Steve S. on Jul 1, 2011 11:43 PM PDT reply actions  

meehan is the dick head here

First of all, I would not rely on anything coming from Helene, maybe other sources. I have not heard much negatives about Meehan, but if rumors are true, he is the primary dickhead and Drew is second for possibly causing Kings to dismantle a team ready to move forward in the playoffs from now on. Helene, for certain physical reasons, is not a dick head! I had originally (before July 1 havoc) thought DD should get 10 years-5.5 mil for 3 years; 6.0 mil for 3 years and 6.5 for last four years. Now after seeing what other ordinary D men are getting and taking into consideration what Listrom gets (well deserved every penny), I would up the above by 0.5 mil a year to 6.0/6.5 and then 7.0. Better still laden DD’s first 3 or 4 years with bonuses so you make him perform to earn his money, not sit like a fat cat like many pros do after signing a hugh long term contract.

What do you all think?

It is 7:45 pm in China on July 2 FYI.

by mrmickey on Jul 2, 2011 4:43 AM PDT reply actions  

more on DD

As a retired CPA I rethought my proposal. I would change the last four years to be 7.5 mil and really backload his contract. If he fizzles out after six years, just buy him out and say goodbye. That would be a 10 year contract with average salary of 6.75 mil per year. If he performs to the level I think he will and most of you do also, then 7.5 in year seven will probably not be a huge cap hit at that time. At least I do not think so. I would still want to give him incentives and bonuses for the first three years, and one condition would be his physical conditioning and showing up for training camp every year for ten years in good condtion physically.

Wait for your comments.

by mrmickey on Jul 2, 2011 5:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I like the back-loading idea but then again, I’m not Doughty or Don Meehan…

by JZarris on Jul 2, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Two logical outcomes I see from this.

Facts are we did a grand dog n pony show for Richards so we are serious about making a big cup run this season.

Fact is we have depth at the blueline. Big time.

So either DD’s contract numbers are inline with going after BR or Deano is willing to let DD sweat it out and is prepared to deal with an offer sheet situation and/or holdout.

Let’s face it, if both Richards are on board before DD signs, DD looses a whole chunk of leverage. He is an elite talent but no an elite player, yet.

Come to think about it, he already lost leverage by the dog n pony show in Toronto.

by Cirtes on Jul 2, 2011 6:50 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Well,

look like there is plenty of $$$ available for Doughty now.

by JZarris on Jul 2, 2011 8:28 AM PDT reply actions  

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