Meehan says Doughty "would be willing to stay"??
by Quisp on Jul 12, 2011 11:31 PM PDT
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The ball appears to be in the Kings' court in talks with Drew Doughty - latimes.com
It's apparently up to the Kings to end the long lull in talks on a new contract for restricted free agent defenseman Drew Doughty.
Don Meehan [...] said Tuesday he hadn't spoken to the Kings about Doughty since June 23. [...] It's believed the Kings are offering up to nine years at more than $6.5 million per year.
"I think he'd be happy to stay if we agree upon terms that are acceptable to him," Meehan said. "And those are our instructions, to negotiate with L.A. on that basis to secure something that he'd be happy with."
Unless he's planning on playing on another continent, he's staying whether he would be happy to or not. He's a restricted free agent. He will sign a contract by December 1 or sit out the season.
Grrrrr.
[...] "I know how important Drew Doughty is to the Los Angeles Kings on a going-forward basis," Meehan said. "I think that's something that they're very well aware of and they know what they have to do. [...]"
Am I supposed to read that as "the Kings know how important Doughty is to them," or "the Kings know that I know how important Doughty is to them"?
Doughty is an important part of the Kings, but if he sits the year out, I'm happy to let Viatcheslav Voynov, Nicolas Deslauriers, Jake Muzzin, Alec Martinez -- oh, and that Jack Johnson guy -- pick up the slack.
Send him to New Jersey for Zach Parise and Adam Larsson.
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Is Doughty the same kind of locker room poison Cammallerri was?
I’m starting to worry. Is he even the kind of guy the Kings want around? If he is so “me first” as his agent is making him sound, it might be best to just trade him and move on. As Quisp points out, the Kings are blessed with an overabundance of talented young defensemen in the system. Perhaps none of them is as good as Doughty, but none of them is bad either.
Or is his agent just a huge asshole? It is amazing to me that he reps both players who went 1-2 in the 2008 draft and appears to be holding both teams that drafted them hostage.
I’d say send him to Tampa for Stamkos but if Meehan is pouring poison in his ear too it may not be any better. The return for Doughty has to be huge though and I’m not sure Parise-Larsson would be acceptable return. I don’t know who would be though…
If you’re trading Doughty, you’re going to have a hell of a time getting anymore than Parise/Larsson. Hell, I’m not sure if I would take that deal, if I’m NJD – it might be giving up too much on their end. You’ve got two very good players (known quantities) in Parise and Doughty, who have contract issues. Parise is a pretty regular 80+ point player (probably won’t ever hit 100, but hey, maybe). Doughty is, at least supposedly, going to be a pretty regular Norris candidate (though Quisp’s post the other day indicates he could still turn out to be Roman Hamrlik too). That right there is not that unbalanced of a trade, Doughty for Parise.
If NJD is willing to throw Larsson in too, you take it, and you keep a straight face until all the ink is dry. Then you laugh all the way to the bank.
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not possible imo
Remember they have that Russian dude…. the one w the $196million dollar contract – well, a bit less I suppose. Anyway, if Meehan wants a cap hit of $7M per year long term, how could Lamoriello even trade for Doughty. I don’t think Parise would get $7M though I could be wrong. He really wouldn’t have much room to maneuver – speaking of being up against a cap big time.
Is Doughty the same kind of locker room poison Cammallerri was?
I beg your pardon?
What leads you to conclude this?
I read this as basic press tactics. I think Meehan’s sweating a bit. Doughty clearly wants to stay.
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Is Doughty the same kind of locker room poison Cammallerri was?
I beg your pardon?
What leads you to conclude this?
I read this as basic press tactics. I think Meehan’s sweating a bit. Doughty clearly wants to stay.
Well there’s this quote-
“I know how important Drew Doughty is to the Los Angeles Kings on a going-forward basis,” Meehan said. “I think that’s something that they’re very well aware of and they know what they have to do. […]”
Anyone who “knows how important he is” clearly has an arrogance issue.
Doughty clearly wants to stay.
What leads you to this conclusion? If he wanted to stay so badly he would tell Meehan to fuck off and he’d tell Lombardi he accepts the 7 million bucks a year right now, which would make him at 22 the 2nd-highest paid defenseman in the league by cap hit, ahead of established great players like Nik Lidstrom (perhaps one of the top 3 players at the position in history and the reigning Norris Trophy winner), Zdeno Chara (a Norris winner and captain of the current Cup champs), Duncan Keith (the guy who beat Doughty for the Norris a year ago), and behind only Brian Campbell’s ridiculous contract. Doughty has not done anything to earn the kind of money those guys make. No playoff series victories, and thus obviously no Stanley Cups. No Norris Trophies. He hasn’t led the league in points or goals from the blue line. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good player, but it does mean he does not yet merit being the best-paid player in the league at his position.
But most importantly, I didn’t conclude anything. I asked.
your pulling that out of context
what meehan said may not necessarily BE what DD actually thinks or believes…..your grasping at straws imo
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
really?
because sports agents are so trustworthy and noble people? like how IK liked LA….how Ryan Smyth hadnt heard he wanted a trade…like how there were weapons of mass destruction…
people make shit up all the time to get what they want….
all im saying…is that until we hear DD say this stuff himself, i chose not to believe he said them.
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
by card_base on Jul 13, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone who "knows how important he is" clearly has an arrogance issue.
The person speaking is Meehan, not Doughty.
And anyone who doesn’t see how important Doughty is to this team is asking his agent to take modesty to the point of denial.
What leads you to this conclusion?
Every interview Drew Doughty has ever given on the subject.
How do you interpret Bobby Ryan saying he wanted to stay in Anaheim, but still taking all of last summer to sign? It’s perfectly fine for these players to want to stay, and also look out for their own interests.
By these standards, are Stamkos and Weber also “me first” prima donnas? I don’t think so.
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But most importantly, I didn’t conclude anything. I asked.
This is fine, but the very nature of the questions imply very negative judgments of his character. I don’t see the reason to go to those extremes — even in a rhetorical question — when this is all speculation.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Garrett79
You are spot on with your statement about Doughty. Someone has been looking at and reading to many press clippings and now believes all of it. To put it in simplier terms, Doughty hasn’t done Jack $hit yet and really needs to grow up. It’s looking like we have not one but two prima donas on this team.
by Old Time Hockey on Aug 5, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I think your literal interpretation reads into it too much
So let me read inti it more!…
I think there is a presumed implication of UFA years in this contract. When he says “happy to stay in LA” I get the sense (and having an inkling that the contract on the table is for 8+ years) that Meehan is talking about staying in LA beyond his ‘freedom years’.
Bummer...
I try to cut DD#8 some slack, but every time I do i come across something like this.
I agree Quisp, if this is how it is I make that trade… Or just Zach for Drew?
What Would JeZus do?
Please...
This guy Meehan sounds like a real prick. I hate the premise that a player is doing us a favor playing on our team for a few million a year. “Staying here” is bullshit posturing as it would be highly unlikely he would play somewhere else next year.
If Drew wants to sit out a year well then fuck’em. Being greedy and immature is not a good combination.
Finally one wonders if Meehan is pissed because Kopitar left him for another agent and Meehan wants retribution by getting Doughty a better contract…
by Steve S. on Jul 13, 2011 12:02 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
not just Kopitar
according to something quoted in another post here, Weber also left the agency, but i’m not sure if he left Meehan specifically.
You wanna tell me that to mah face?!
Send him to New Jersey for Zach Parise and Adam Larsson.
I love Drew, but if the Devils offered that I would be very tempted to trade him and hope that one of Voynov, Hickey, Deslauriers, Muzzin, Larsson, Forbort, etc. can mostly replace what Doughty brings to the team and be able to add a forward like Parise to make our offense truly great. I still don’t know because Doughty could be very special and one of his biggest assets is his exceptional play in both zones and not being one dimensional like Mike Green for example. Like I said, very tempting and I’m not sure what I would do if I was DL and the Devils offered those two for Doughty.
As someone who is currently living both Stamkos and Weber contract hell....
I want to say PANIC DOESN’T HELP!!! :) You’ve probably heard all this before, but these are extremely complicated contracts and the unknown effect of the upcoming CBA on both actual salaries and the salary cap makes it even more uncertain.
And I would advise not putting too much stock in what Don Meehan says. It’s his job to wring every last concession from the team. Of course he’s gonna make it sound like there’s still more the team needs to give. I actually read that as Doughty having instructed Meehan “I do want to stay so don’t muck it up with all your agent crap.”
I also want to say, “Hi! I’m Clare and I’m addicted to hockey.”
Part Predator, part Lightning.
"Hi! I’m Clare and I’m addicted to hockey."
“HI, CLAIRE!”
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
or is it...
clare-ice?
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
hey, welcome!
I agree that pretty much everything that comes out of an agent’s mouth is better ignored. however, since he is one of two people we’re likely to hear from in this matter, I think it’s worth parsing his bullshit the best we can.
Wait till this year.
Doughty has zero leverage.
The only negotiating point he has is not signing. That unfortunately hurts DD more than anyone.
Kings right now are in the sweet spot. Drew is not arbitration eligible unless he plays one more season. Why trade him at all? He costs nothing unsigned and is not playing for the competition.
by Cirtes on Jul 13, 2011 6:39 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t attribute anything that Meehan says to Doughty. Perhaps they’re in agreement, perhaps not. But Meehan is also stringing Tampa along with Stamkos at the present time. He says what he says to try and force the other side to agree to the deal he wants – nothing more.
As frustrating as it is that Doughty has not resigned yet, this is business as usual for high profile RFAs in the NHL right now. Bobby Ryan, James Neal, Carey Price last year didn’t sign until August. It’s looking like August could be when Doughty and Stamkos sign this year. This is just how the system works right now. All this talk about Doughty being selfish or potential poison in the dressing room is based on nothing other than the fact he hasn’t signed it. By that logic, Trevor Lewis is also poison in the dressing room. It will get done sooner or later.
It’s also worth noting that Lombardi and Meehan can say whatever because I’m pretty sure Solomon and Meehan’s partner, Mark Guy, are actually negotiating Doughty’s contract.
by RudyKelly on Jul 13, 2011 7:21 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Not Concerned
I’m no longer concerned about this situation.
Meehan’s job is to tie as much value as possible to his athlete. My experience with contract negotiations, (part of what I do as a living) has been Meehan, by now, has probably even assign a value to the fact that DD had a Kings trash can in his room as a Tween in London, Ontario. Of course he has showed how great DD has been so far and tied DD and Bobby Orr we’re both nominated for the Norris @ 20 years old …
Meehan to Lombardi: "What you have here Mr. Lombardi is an opportunity is to have the modern day Bobby Orr on your team, surely that is worth (pie in the sky # here)
Lombardi to Meehan: “Bobby Orr won the Norris @ 20 and Drew was just nominated. We are in agreement, Drew is a great young talent, but we would like to see Bobby Orr, before we pay for Bobby Orr.”
It’s Dean’s job to then go through and assign value to all of the items Meehan has put forward and agree what the team can pay for the Kings trashcan back in Ontario as a youth.
If anything I would take this as a capitulation of sorts by Meehan (Doughty). I also would consider “Dean Lombardi; Gone Fishing” stories, as him (DL) showing he is currently comfortable with where the negotiations are at. If there was work to be done around the the second highest draft pick in Kings history (67’ is the only #1 pick over all I am aware of for LA) I believe he would be more engaged.
My take away? Dean feels the tangibles DD brings to the team have been adequately assigned value and now it is up to the other side to accept that and then move into terms and conditions. If there was still push back from Meehan (Doughty) there would be no reason to make the statement “I think he’d be happy to stay if we agree upon terms that are acceptable to him,”. He would just say nothing, table nothing, wait for another defenseman to be signed (best if through Arbitration cough Shea Weber cough) and then tie the value of that player to what DD brings.
At this point I believe DL has left LA to make a move for Parise when/if he becomes available.
last sentence correction...
At this point I believe DL has left LA [in a position] to make a move for Parise when/if he becomes available.
if he sits the year out
I’ll believe that when I see it. It’s mid-July. Weber’s hearing is August 2nd.
In the meantime, I think people’s fears are leading them to assume the worst — and then attack Doughty as a result. I don’t see a need for that yet.
I think Meehan’s agency started off trying to play hardball, and maybe hoped for some more external pressure to move things along. Lombardi is letting them stew. The title of the article is “Drew Doughty apparently waiting for the Kings to make the next move,” for Pete’s sake. He wants to stay, and the Kings are using their RFA leverage. Then Meehan’s agency tries pressure through the press. It all seems clear to me.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
A funny thing—well, not really funny, more like frustrating as h*ll—is that the word here in Nashville is that Weber’s been waiting on Doughty’s contract as a comparable. Grrr!
Part Predator, part Lightning.
Negotiations
Just the fact that you are forced to wait, or even have to bring others into the conversation at all, shows you to be at a disadvantage.
The strongest position in any negotiation is stand alone, agreed high value. Which doesn’t by any means even “prove” true worth. That is only done 20/20 in the review mirror.
If anyone ever wants to see what happens when “stand alone, high value” spins wildly out of control look up “Tulip Mania” … it’s a great perspective on value and its effects on society/commerce.
I could be mistaken, but wasn’t Meehan Weber’s agent until recently when he decided to change agents? If that is the case, I wouldn’t be surprised if Meehan would prefer Doughty to wait until after Weber signs – which has a definite end date because of arbitration – so he can Doughty a slightly better deal, and tell everyone that Weber was stupid for leaving him.
i don't think doughty is to blame, in the sense that I don't think he's being a dick, or is full of himself, or whatevrr
i think the agent’s best interests and the client’s appear to be the same, but aren’t. and i would cite patrick o’sullivan as a perfect example of that. should have signed for $2MM and shown up for training camp. instead…career AHLer.
Wait till this year.
Good point.
I guess I have more faith in Doughty’s desire to stay, and thus, to sign a fair deal.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
i have worked for twenty years in an industry that will remain nameless, one that is also populated by agents and owners and the like,
and I have seen many, many good and talented people get convinced by agents that their employers are screwing them if they don’t pay them as much as so-and-so, agents who sell themselves as being able to get x for their client when no one else is able to get x, failing to mention that any ill will created by getting x will stick to the client and the agent will simply move on to the next young client. for the agent, getting x IS winning the stanley cup. it is the end in and of itself. all the talk about managing the player’s career is bullshit. for the obvious reason that the agent gets paid based on the deal he just made, and knows that even if he is still the client’s agent in 10 years — which is unlikely — that payday will be nothing compared to whatever new young client he is negotiating for then. all the client cares about is his future. all the agent cares about is THAT FUCKING DEAL. Like I said, it is their “cup.”
of course doughty thinks he’s great, the best even — he ought to think that. that’s what makes him susceptible to the sales pitch. he’s on top of the world. why should he consider what happens if he has a nasty career threatening injury in a couple of years, and is never the same, or simply turns into steve duchesne instead of nick lidstrom?
why consider that when it’s not possible? doughty can’t really be expected to consider that possibility, because he’s an elite athelete, and failure is not an option. Also, he’s not a grown-up. And who is the manager of this person’s career, the person supposedly looking out for his best interests?
his agent. daffy duck.
Wait till this year.
I think it’s valid to have concerns about the influence of agents, for sure. But then Stamkos and Weber and the like are in the same boat. This holding pattern seems like a larger part of Big Fish RFA limbo.
I spend a lot of my time analyzing texts and parsing them for tone and emotional content. I’m not an expert or a mind-reader or anything, but I have always gotten the impression that Doughty enjoys living the life in LA. I expect this will win out.
I admit we won’t know until it all unfolds.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
perhaps, but he wasn’t the one who said ’ tha tha tha tha tha thatz all fokz’. That was Elmer Fudd. What did daffy say? Sorry Quisp, I’ve been at the computer all day and sometimes you’ve just gotta let go a little bit.
But you set me up for it :-)
Daffy always got his comeuppance in those Chuck Jones cartoons; Bugs always had the last laugh. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to work that way with these Svengali mega-agents.
Although, as Niesy hinted, there does seem to be some professional jealousy of the big guys, and schadenfreude when something goes wrong for them.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
but he wasn’t the one who said ’ tha tha tha tha tha thatz all fokz’. That was Elmer Fudd.
No, that was Porky Pig. He had no pants.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
by DougX on Jul 13, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that this is just Meehan posturing. He’s either puffing out his chest to try to make his position seem stronger than it probably is, or he’s laying the groundwork for taking less than he wanted (“Drew was willing to take a little less than we could have gotten because he wants to win a Stanley Cup in L.A.,” yadda yadda).
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
out of left field here...
remember who went to vegas after being eliminated from the playoffs?
DD, Simmonds, and Lewis…..Simmonds-traded;DD-unsigned; Lewis-unsigned….
im just pointing it out that maybe the “leadership” in the room that DL spoke of is somehow related to this scenario….
Shape up, get in line, or we will ship you off for people who are human wrecking balls! lol
Now i must also add that i dont believe this to be the truth, and i really agree with claire…he told meehan that he wants to stay, get me a fair raise, and dont fuck this up! we got richards and an in shape penner, i could win a cup for fucks sake!
to which meehan replied, what i hear you saying drew, is that your happy to stay in LA as long as DL does whats right.
DD-no-wait…wtf did you just do? im going to vegas!
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
well, not now...
but they did….like three days after the series ended….
i wish i was allowed to go to vegas….VEGAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
Mmm... I dunno
I have a hard time imagining that Lombardi would begrudge his guys going to Vegas to blow off steam for a few days after the end of the season. If they went and partied it up after the end of the regular season (i.e., right before the playoffs), then I could see him being upset. But once the whole thing is over, it’s like finishing a big project; it’s only natural (and probably beneficial) to unwind before you get back to work.
Besides, that’s nothing compared to what Whitey Ford and Mickey Mantle used to do… and what we know about it is limited to what they were willing to admit to. :-)
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
oh i agree 100%...
i was just presenting the argument for arguments sake….like creating my own alternate universe where players were locked away in cages, only let out to feed and play hockey!
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
Quisp - a suggestion for a thread
Written by none other than Vous…. or Toi if you prefer. Niesy, if you want to get in on this too that would be cool.
I’d love to see the things you would say.
Here are my key personal flash points:
1) He said he felt sick when he saw DL speaking w Calgary thinking he might not be going to the Kings
2) Lifelong Kings fan
3) Works his tail off to get in shape before ever playing an nhl game.
4) Has an outstanding two years (and maybe thinks an 85% commitment will do based on his huge talent).
Going the other direction
5) Then shows up in relatively poor shape last year
6) Has for him a very average year
(also, I don’t care that an average year for him is an ok year for another player… if he were
‘another player’ then he’d be having out of body experiences)
7) Then in the playoffs, he did have one great game…. out of six that is. Also made some big mistakes and in Game 3 when you need your best player to sort of settle things down and take control when things are going against you, he clearly didn’t. Not that anyone else did either.
So you look at points 1 thru 4 Or you look at points 5 thru 7. Two different Doughty’s in my opinion. Also, say he gets a monster contract and shows up late and out of shape (again) and plays like he did last season….. the fans will be all over him imo.
I suppose point 8 would be, where does he get this idea (or his agent) that he should be paid as much as a Nick Lidstrom or Chris Pronger? He has neither won a cup or a Norris.
I think Doughty can be a lot of things, not necessarily all one side or the other.
There are places he can improve. He is also one of the best young defensemen to come along in a very long time. Other players have the benefit of more maturity and experience.
He also wants to be a King. Nothing we’ve ever heard says otherwise.
Lidstrom and Pronger are making bank now, and made even more in their (pre-lockout-era) primes. So I suppose it comes down to what you believe is reasonable. $6.5 on a long term deal, taking away some of his UFA years, is something I’m totally fine with.
My two cents.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
I agree, this need not be a binary situation
Points 5-7 can, I think, be explained by Doughty being very young and unusually gifted. When you have as much natural talent as he does, you can get used to taking shortcuts at lower levels of competition that don’t necessarily work at the highest level. Kind of like being the smartest kid in your high school class, then going to an elite college and suddenly being surrounded by other kids who were the smartest kid in high school, too. As a friend of mine put it, “You can’t get by on brilliance anymore.” Making that adjustment is part of maturing.
As to Point 8, that’s what high-powered agents like Meehan do. They throw their weight around to get the most lucrative deal they can get for themselves and, coincidentally, for their clients. Ask for the moon and stars, shamelessly puff out your chest and posture, then settle for the moon
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
yeah but 6.5MM is the offer doughty.meehan have said no to.
my guess is they’re asking for $7MM for five years, literally the worst term possible, since it gets DD to UFA status at the earliest possible date.
Wait till this year.
It might be something they haven’t said yes to yet. Think of Bobby Ryan eventually accepting the amount of years he initially wasn’t thrilled about.
There are too many variables we don’t know about. The sticking point might be money, it might be term — or other things.
LA Kings News is saying that Doughty wants a no movement clause. Seeing what happened to Richards and Carter after they signed their long term hometown discount deals, that makes sense. If you’re going to commit to a place, you want to stay there. You get that in exchange for not hitting free agency as soon as possible, and controlling your own destiny.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
yes, it may well be the NMC that is the point of contention
because I have noticed that lombardi doesn’t negotiate contracts that aren’t tradeable. if he wants a NMC, he’s going to have to take less money.
I seriously don’t understand why Tambellini doesn’t offer sheet doughty at $60MM over five years. that would be the ultimate f/u to Lombardi ande would make tambellini a fucking hero in edmonton.
Wait till this year.
very interesting comments all
Plus, Quisp, it’s so strange. Only this morning I started imagining what might be going on in the heads of GM’s across the land (not just in regard to DD, but the other RFA’s as well), and my thought was as follows: I can’t imagine that someone out there isn’t seriously trying to plot out some sort of strategy to do an offer sheet as long as they don’t completely slam their team up against a wall financially speaking.
I seriously don’t understand why Tambellini doesn’t offer sheet doughty at $60MM over five years. that would be the ultimate f/u to Lombardi ande would make tambellini a fucking hero in edmonton.
Maybe he has. I doubt Doughty would sign. Heh.
And then it’s open season on every single one of his guys. They like to make a profit in Edmonton, too.
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Tambellini
1) if i’m an Oilers fan, i would sure hate to imagine what could happen when Omark, Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi-Svensson, etc. are RFAs.
2) if i’m anyone who associates with Tambellini, do i ever consider doing business with him (barring a transaction that so obviously would help “anyone’s” team with little cost involved) considering the Penner offer sheet, Vanek overpayment that Buffalo decided to match, and this (hypothetical) Doughty offer sheet?
3) assuming Tambellini is making that offer sheet to make the Oilers a better team, let’s assume that the Oilers are a better team. they make the playoffs; they win playoff rounds; Hall, Eberle, etc. score anywhere from 60-90 points with a blue line stabilized by Doughty. so you overpay Doughty to make everyone get better, but then when those forwards are RFAs, despite the fact that they’re RFAs, you still have to pony up the cash and cap space for these players. is Edmonton going to have the cap space (whatever the cap is in the future) to hold onto all their good young players, especially with the precedent Tambeliini set by offering Doughty this (hypothetical) offer sheet? (if it indeed is a 5 year contract for $60mil, that’s $12mil on Edmonton’s cap tied up JUST in Doughty.)
You wanna tell me that to mah face?!
Good points.
I think about the draft pick compensation, too — even if it’s not above $7.8M, which would be four firsts, a contract between $6.5-7.7M would mean forking over two firsts, a second and a 3rd.
Even if they were to decide the rebuild was over, that’s quite steep.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Per Hammond
Rich came out today with what sounds like a pretty firm opinion that there will be no offer sheets for Doughty or Stamkos, based mainly on the “What Goes Around Comes Around” Theory. Or mutually assured destruction, as he called it.
That makes sense to me. Whatever else you can say about Tambellini, I think he understands that it would come back to bite him later on, and turning it into a Mafia war wouldn’t be wise. Wouldn’t want to wake up someday and find Taylor Hall’s head at the foot of your bed.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
by DougX on Jul 14, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i read that too...and that makes the most sense to me....
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
Per the CBA, Doughty can NOT get a NMC/NTC before year 5 of any deal
You must be a group 3 UFA to qualify for a NMC/NTC.
Yes, it would have to kick in later, just like in the deals of Carter and Richards.
Of course, that window leaves less of a guarantee for a player, as we also saw in the case of Carter and Richards.
I know that if I were a young player, I would not commit myself to a long term deal anywhere. Even if I were happy with the city and the team. Too many things can change, and your beloved hockey family can still turn around and sell you like a piece of meat.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
How quickly one can go from so badly wanting something
to just sort of taking that something for granted
dont tell us what to do! your not our agent!
jk
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
dude if your moniker was jay z
you could’ve said instead of ‘breathe’… you could have said “OK.. Hold up, freeze, hey. Somebody bring me back some money please”.
That would have been class for this thread. But nevermind. You’re m_and_m.
Sorry, I don’t get that one. I stopped following music when Led Zeppelin’s drummer, John Bonham died.
by m_and_m on Jul 13, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
heh
that’s fantastic.
That rug really tied the room together...
by Streams Of Whiskey on Jul 13, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
OK.
There is a Jay Z song where his lyrics are what I wrote. Now, as your moniker is m_and_m in all probability you know thats the name of the other mega famous rapper not named Jay Z (amongst a few others). And I felt those lyrics of Jay Z rather summed up the ‘feel, direction, vibe’ whatever you like of our intimate little discussion of today.
Hope that helps.
Oh I see. Just one thing. Who is Jay Z?
by m_and_m on Jul 13, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
do i have this right?
you’re a hockey fan and don’t know who Jay Z is? Maybe you should be a NJ Nets basketball fan then :-)
just teasin with you
It doesn’t matter at all. We just goof around here sometimes is all.
Led Zep were amazing for sure, so there you go :-)
The Dog Days of Summer
I wonder if DD is secretly working out in the off season, knowing it is just a matter of time, or is he lounging on the beach eating fast food, waiting to sign on the bottom line.
I know DL has expressed that the most important thing in his development at this point would be to start preparing and be in good shape by the time camp rolled around. If in his mind he knows this team is close to being a cup contender, and he accepts the role of being a key to that success, I only hope he is taking that to heart, and preparing accordingly.
i know what DD has been up to....
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
dammit!!! stupid pictures!!!
"It's not illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane."-Alan Garner
late addition
from puck daddy
Interesting reading the comments below and I’m inserting one persons reply to another. It sounds SO obvious, and may be what I was driving at a bit earlier on…. but he say’s it simple… in one sentence
One gets a little antzy when a player’s work ethic is questioned especially at such a developmentally pivotal part of his career.
I couldn’t tell which comment you mean? Maybe my link didn’t jump the right way.
One gets a little antzy when a player’s work ethic is questioned especially at such a developmentally pivotal part of his career.
If they are that concerned, I am sure 29 other teams would be interested.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
sorry Niesy
A day late.
What it was, was a ‘reply’ to someone’s comment under that thread so you probably wouldn’t have seen it. I read this one comment and then clicked on the reply below and found the comment I saw.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Of course. It’s like I said though…. just a slight concern about work ethic slipping a bit (I mean, coming in out of shape is after all indicative of work ethic)… not that I was overly concerned about it.
Hope that all makes sense.
Yeah, I completely understand those concerns. In an ideal world, we could wait a bit before the payday and have him step up. I think there is another level. If he truly wants to be like Lidstrom, he will train like Lidstrom, and find it.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Another negative sabermetrically minded article
regarding Jack Johnson. :-[
Quite possibly the only LA Kings fan living in Brooklyn, New York.
Do people really think
this is news?
We’ve been saying it in our Doughty vs. Johnson discussions for a while. He’s been losing the shot battles for forever. Anyone looking at a single one of the scoring chance articles would see it leap out clear as day.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
Let me be really clear when I’m saying: Lombardi took a leap of faith on JJ’s contract. And we still don’t know how that will turn out.
If Scuderi can’t staunch that bleeding very much, lord help us all.
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC
That Johnson contract is one of the weirdest moments of the Lombardi era….I’m glad Jack Johnson isn’t Doughty’s agent. Still though I would like to reiterate the fact that I’m still rooting for JJ and enjoy watching him play. Hopefully he turns his defensive game around next year. Also in very limited time last year, his PK numbers were actually pretty good.
Quite possibly the only LA Kings fan living in Brooklyn, New York.
The key to the Johnson deal (and to all Lombardi deals so far) is that it is
Johnson is a mixed bag, but that mix is one part good-looking superstar and one part goal-causing error. Lombardi locked him in at a cap-hit that will ensure that he is always an asset, either on the ice for the Kings, or in a trade to parts unknown.
No matter how bad he may or may not be, he just looks really really good.
Wait till this year.
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