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Kings Reserve List - July, 2011 [UPDATED: Lewis/Elkins/etc.]

Lewis and Richardson have signed two year deals. All the Manchester RFAs except Elkins and Holloway signed one year extensions. Holloway is presumably still negotiating. Elkins -- according to his agent's tweets, will play in Europe next year. For those keeping score, that leaves Doughty and Holloway unsigned. 

The Kings currently have 47 contracts, four of which don't count against the limit as long as Toffoli and Weal stay in juniors, Moller stays in Sweden, and Elkins stays wherever in Europe he's going to play. Roe and Turnbull need to be signed by 8/15 or they become UFAs.

The table is fully sortable now. I personally enjoy clicking on the age and draft year columns; sorting the entire list by jersey number is fun, too. (oh, by the way, the numbers of the non-roster players are their most recent Kings roster/prospect/training-camp numbers, not their numbers in Manchester, juniors, college, etc.). 

playerteam (league)exp.nxtdr y(t)s/a (t)we y(g)bornageLAK#CAP
1 Anze Kopitar Kings (NHL) 2016 UFA 2005 (LAK) 2005   8/24/87 23.9 11 $6.800
2 Mike Richards Kings (NHL) 2020 UFA 2003 (PHI) 2011 (PHI)   2/11/85 26.4 10 $5.750
3 Jack Johnson Kings (NHL) 2018 UFA 2005 (CAR) 2006 (CAR)   1/13/87 24.5 3 $4.357
4 Dustin Penner Kings (NHL) 2012 UFA und 2011 (EDM)   9/28/82 28.8 25 $4.250
5 Justin Williams Kings (NHL) 2015 UFA 2000 (PHI) 2009 (CAR)   10/4/81 29.8 14 $3.650
6 Jarret Stoll Kings (NHL) 2012 UFA 2002 (EDM) 2008 (EDM)   1/24/82 29.5 28 $3.600
7 Willie Mitchell Kings (NHL) 2012 UFA 1996 (NJD) 2010 ((VAN))   4/23/77 34.3 33 $3.500
8 Simon Gagne Kings (NHL) 2013 UFA 1998 (PHI) 2011 ((TBL))   2/29/80 31.4 12 $3.500
9 Rob Scuderi Kings (NHL) 2013 UFA 1998 (PIT) 2009 ((PIT))   12/30/78 32.6 7 $3.400
10 Dustin Brown Kings (NHL) 2014 UFA 2003 (LAK) 2003   11/4/84 26.7 23 $3.175
11 Matt Greene Kings (NHL) 2014 UFA 2002 (EDM) 2008 (EDM)   5/13/83 28.2 2 $2.950
12 Jonathan Quick Kings (NHL) 2013 RFA 2005 (LAK) 2007   1/21/86 25.5 32 $1.800
13 Thomas Hickey Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA 2007 (LAK) 2007 2012 (160) 2/8/89 22.5 37 $1.317
14 Jonathan Bernier Kings (NHL) 2013 RFA 2006 (LAK) 2006 2012 (55) 8/7/88 23.0 45 $1.250
15 Brad Richardson Kings (NHL) 2013 UFA 2003 (SJS) 2008 (COL)   2/4/85 26.5 15 $1.175
16 Scott Parse Kings (NHL) 2012 UFA 2004 (LAK) 2007   9/5/84 26.9 21 $0.900
17 Ray Kaunisto Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA und 2010 2013 (60) 2/7/87 24.5 82 $0.900
18 Jake Muzzin Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA 2007 (PIT) 2010 2012 (69) 2/21/89 22.4 6 $0.900
19 Linden Vey Monarchs (AHL) 2014 RFA 2009 (LAK) 2011   7/17/91 20.0 57 $0.900
20 Jordan Weal Regina Pats (1) (CHL) 2014 RFA 2010 (LAK) 2011 2014 (160) 4/15/92 19.3 60 $0.900
21 Tyler Toffoli Ottawa 67's (1) (CHL) 2014 RFA 2010 (LAK) 2011 2014 (160) 4/24/92 19.2 73 $0.900
22 Kyle Clifford Kings (NHL) 2013 RFA 2009 (LAK) 2009 2014 (78) 1/13/91 20.5 13 $0.870
23 Colin Fraser Kings (NHL) 2012 UFA 2003 (PHI) 2011 (EDM)   1/28/85 26.5   $0.825
24 Viatcheslav Voynov Monarchs (AHL) 2013 RFA 2008 (LAK) 2008 2013 (160) 1/15/90 21.5 76 $0.817
25 Andrei Loktionov Monarchs (AHL) 2013 RFA 2008 (LAK) 2009 2013 (141) 5/30/90 21.1 12 $0.817
26 Alec Martinez Kings (NHL) 2013 RFA 2007 (LAK) 2008   7/26/87 24.0 53 $0.738
27 Trevor Lewis Kings (NHL) 2013 RFA 2006 (LAK) 2006   1/8/87 24.5 22 $0.725
28 Nicolas Deslauriers Monarchs (AHL) 2014 RFA 2009 (LAK) 2011   2/22/91 20.4 80 $0.717
29 Davis Drewiske Kings (NHL) 2013 RFA und 2007   11/22/84 26.7 44 $0.617
30 Dwight King Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA 2007 (LAK) 2009 2012 (154) 7/5/89 22.0 74 $0.592
31 Brandon Kozun Monarchs (AHL) 2013 RFA 2009 (LAK) 2010 2013 (160) 3/8/90 21.4 51 $0.575
32 Justin Azevedo Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA 2008 (LAK) 2009 2012 (80) 4/1/88 23.3 62 $0.553
33 Jean-Francois Berube Monarchs (AHL) 2014 RFA 2009 (LAK) 2011   7/13/91 20.0 35 $0.540
34 David Kolomatis Monarchs (AHL) 2013 RFA 2009 (LAK) 2010 2013 (80) 2/25/89 22.4 83 $0.538
35 Jordan Nolan Monarchs (AHL) 2013 RFA 2009 (LAK) 2010 2013 (80) 6/23/89 22.1 71 $0.532
36 Martin Jones Monarchs (AHL) 2013 RFA und 2008 2013 (80) 1/10/90 21.5 31 $0.526
37 Kevin Westgarth Kings (NHL) 2012 UFA und 2007   2/7/84 27.5 19 $0.525
38 Marc-Andre Cliche Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA 2005 (NYR) 2007 (NYR)   3/23/87 24.3 67 $0.525
39 Igor Melyakov Nizhny Novgorod (KHL)   u 1995 (LAK)     12/23/76 34.6    
40 Jan Marek CSKA Moscow (KHL)   u 2003 (NYR) (NYR)   12/31/79 31.6    
41 Andrei Shefer Cherepovets (KHL)   u 1999 (LAK)     7/26/81 30.0    
42 Mikhail Lyubushin Nizhny Novgorod (KHL)   u 2002 (LAK)     7/24/83 28.0    
43 Brady Murray Lugano (SW-A)   UFA 2003 (LAK) 2007   8/17/84 26.9    
44 Johan Fransson SKA-St. Ptrsbrg (KHL)   UFA 2004 (DAL) 2010 (DAL)   2/18/85 26.4 40  
45 Corey Elkins HC Pardubice (CZE)   RFA und 2009   2/23/85 26.4    
46 Patrick Mullen Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA und 2009 2012 (60) 5/6/86 25.2 59  
47 Rich Clune Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA 2005 (DAL) 2008 (DAL)   4/25/87 24.2 56  
48 Jeff Zatkoff Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA 2006 (LAK) 2008 2012 (60) 6/9/87 24.1 36  
49 David Meckler Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA 2006 (LAK) 2008   7/9/87 24.0 58  
50 Andrew Campbell Monarchs (AHL) 2012 RFA 2008 (LAK) 2008   2/4/88 23.5 81  
51 Garrett Roe St. Cloud St. (0) (NCAA) 2011 u 2008 (LAK)     2/22/88 23.4    
52 Bud Holloway Monarchs (AHL) 2011 RFA 2006 (LAK) 2008   3/1/88 23.4 50  
53 Podge Turnbull Wisconsin (0) (NCAA) 2011 u 2007 (LAK)     7/12/88 23.0 68  
54 Oscar Moller Skelleftea AIK (SEL)   RFA 2007 (LAK) 2008   1/22/89 22.5 9  
55 Drew Doughty Kings (NHL) 2011 RFA 2008 (LAK) 2008   12/8/89 21.6 8  
56 Robert Czarnik Monarchs (AHL) 2012 u 2008 (LAK)     1/25/90 21.5 77  
57 Nic Dowd St. Could St. (3) (NCAA) 2013 u 2009 (LAK)     5/27/90 21.2 72  
58 Andy Andreoff Oshawa (0) (CHL) 2013 u 2011 (LAK)     5/17/91 20.2 64  
59 Joel Lowry Cornell (4) (NCAA) 2015 u 2011 (LAK)     11/15/91 19.7 49  
60 Maxim Kitsyn Metallurg Novok. (KHL)   u 2010 (LAK)     12/24/91 19.6 42  
61 Derek Forbort UND (3) (NCAA) 2014 u 2010 (LAK)     3/4/92 19.4 84  
62 Kevin Gravel St. Cloud St. (3) (NCAA) 2014 u 2010 (LAK)     3/6/92 19.4 54  
63 Nicholas Shore Denver (3) (NCAA) 2014 u 2011 (LAK)     9/26/92 18.8 56  
64 Michael Mersch Wisconsin (3) (NCAA) 2014 u 2011 (LAK)     10/2/92 18.8 55  
65 Christopher Gibson Chicoutimi (2) (CHL) 2013 u 2011 (LAK)     12/27/92 18.6 75  
66 Michael Schumacher Owen Sound (2)(CHL)   u 2011 (LAK)     8/25/93 17.9 43

To reiterate the terms and rules, as defined in the CBA:

 "Active roster" - a team must have between 20 and 23 players on its active roster. These players must be under contract (except in the case of amateur tryouts, like Schenn had in the 2009-2010 season). 

 "50 contract limit" - a team must have between 27 and 50 players under contract. There are some funky rules related to this, the main ones being that players playing in Europe (e.g. Moller) and players under the age of 20 still playing in juniors (e.g. Toffoli, Weal), even if under contract, don't count against the limit*.

"Reserve list" - a team may not have more than 90 players on its reserve list, which is the total of all players under contract and all unsigned draft-picks.

KEY:

exp. indicates the year the player's current contract expires. All contracts expire on 7/1 of that year. However, in the case of unsigned picks, it's the year they must be signed by (two years after their draft year, or, in the case of college players, either the year they graduate or -- if they don't stay in school -- four years after their draft year). Generally, college players must be signed by 8/15 of the year of their graduation, and juniors players must be signed by 6/1. 

nxt. refers to the player's free-agency status as of 7/1 of that year. 

dr y(t) refers to the player's draft year and draft team.

s/a (t) refers to the year in which the player signed their last contract with the Kings (if applicable) or was acquired by the Kings (if applicable). The team from which the player was acquired, (or, if UFA, the player's previous team) is in parentheses. Double parentheses indicate that the player was signed as a UFA and previously played for the team in (()).

we y(g) indicates the year in which (on 7/1) the player's waiver-exemption expires, and the number of games played left before the player's waiver-exemption expires, whichever comes first.

age refers to the players age at the time the chart was last updated by me (7/13/11, in this case). 

(1), (0) etc. -- the numbers in parentheses after a player's team name indicates the number of years of eligibility he has in juniors or college, as applicable. Note, however, that some players (e.g. players drafted out of Europe, not out of juniors -- Kitsyn comes to mind) are able to play in the AHL even if they still have junior eligibility remaining. Also, juniors are allowed to carry "over-age" players and this can allow a player with a (0) to stay in juniors after he's turned 20.

u -- unsigned

und -- undrafted

 

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This is so nice. Thank you for keeping this all up to date.

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by Niesy on Jul 14, 2011 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

i am a very nice person

chart-wise

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Jul 14, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re the grand marshal in the spreadsheet parade.

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by Niesy on Jul 14, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

PS did you see Gagne got Lokti’s number? I wonder which one he will take instead.

That picture is weird. It looks like there is some kind of mannequin head in the background.

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by Niesy on Jul 14, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.
some kind of mannequin head

Supporting what looks like a bad wig? Or maybe from the cover of The Yes Album?

It is that thing that I sent to you.

by whine_country on Jul 14, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder which one he will take instead.

I gave him some advice. It’ll be up in a bit.

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Jul 14, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

New Russian prospect buddy. Aww.

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by Niesy on Jul 14, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

They scalped Smyth on the way out of town!

I just remembered that it might be one of the mullet wigs they had for his 1,000th game. Unless they just have a creepy fetish or something.

(Actually, I wouldn’t rule that out.)

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by Niesy on Jul 14, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, it looks like a head… and it’s looking at a computer…

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The West Coast is the Best Coast.

by RudyKelly on Jul 14, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

@ Niesy

Hi Niesy. Remember on the DD thread I tried to leave that comment from a fan?
Well, here (if it works) this is from 4th period site.
http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/lak110708.html

Read the comments below the article.

Every single comment says that DD does in no way deserve what is being asked (notice I didn’t say what He is asking). So while Quispie did indeed point out that only 13 dmen had scored as many points as Drew at the age of 20 ? - I’m still wary. Huge talent Yes!! But really how can you ask to be paid the equivalent of Nik Lidstrom when you haven’t won one playoff round? It’s not like buying electronics or something. ‘If you’ve used this for two years and don’t get the promised results… bring it back for an equitable refund.’
Toews and Kane have Both won Stanley Cup and neither is getting what DD is supposedly asking for.

My points of ref have changed in my life I suppose (not to get overly dramatic) but as much as I want the Kings to compete and win the SC, I’m over this stuff.
I’m sure something will eventually be worked out, but if it came to a trade…. well, so be it. I’ll root just as hard for the Kings.

Really, OK, let’s say Five Years at $6M (which I imagine he would surpass)… that makes $30M. Don’t forget that he’s already earned roughly $9M for the last three years. Hmmmm. I think as a bachelor it’s possible (great effort, I understand) but with discipline one can live over a decade on a $40M budget.

These guys (athletes) are SO OFF!! Not a lot of them, but some are really off.
I find it a bit of a pity really. Oh well, i do enjoy watching him play.

by number 6 on Jul 14, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You must not be married. Clearly you have no idea what shoes cost.

Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?

by USHA#17 on Jul 14, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

that’s good 17. excellent.
tell you what, i was originally gonna put some hypothetical in my post along the lines of…. if he marries britney and has an acrimonious split…. hey, who knows? It’s LA where all is possible.

Actually I was married but it wasn’t cause of the shoes that we went our separate ways….

by number 6 on Jul 15, 2011 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

In my experience, shoes do not cost as much as season tickets, cool cars, and random electronic equipment. At least, if you want to get into stereotypes. I’d be the one buying season tickets. ;)

Maybe it’s different if you are addicted to Manolos?

In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC

by Niesy on Jul 15, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

These guys (athletes) are SO OFF!! Not a lot of them, but some are really off.
I find it a bit of a pity really. Oh well, i do enjoy watching him play.

It is a lot of money to ordinary folk like you an me. It seems like quibbling over nothing. But at the same time, they have a specialized skill that the market rewards. They’ve put in thousands (and I do mean literally thousands) of hours in their life to achieve this expert skill level. Their careers may be cut short in an eyeblink, and they’re entitled to earn whatever they can. That same career can also leave their bodies and minds brutally impaired.

As far as “being paid like Lidstrom,” I think the market forces are just setting that up. (It’s worth noting that Lidstrom himself, pre-salary cap, used to earn far more per year than he is making today.) It’s a team sport, so making it past one playoff round is not all on one guy. And Kopitar was paid a tremendous amount of money at a young age as well. I’d rather pay Doughty something like that and get real value out of it rather than fling desperation money at Erhoff and Wisniewski.

It comes down to whether or not you think Doughty should be let go. I’ve seen enough of his play that I think that would be a terrible mistake. We have no one in the system comparable to his skill level. We just don’t. And if we won’t pay him, many other teams will.

That said, I understand people’s anxieties. I think we should just wait and see how it all plays out.

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by Niesy on Jul 15, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

But at the same time, they have a specialized skill that the market rewards. They’ve put in thousands (and I do mean literally thousands) of hours in their life to achieve this expert skill level. Their careers may be cut short in an eyeblink, and they’re entitled to earn whatever they can. That same career can also leave their bodies and minds brutally impaired.

Indeed. If he’s fortunate to get through the wars unscathed, Drew will have this kind of earning power for maybe 15 more years. He will probably never have anything close to that kind of earning power again in his life, and one should hope he will have a long life after his playing days are over. Guys like John Elway and Magic Johnson are the exception, not the rule.

As for the physical toll, well, I wouldn’t wish the effects of post-concussion syndrome on anyone. To take two recent examples, I think it would be naive to think that the effect of being hit over and over again had nothing to do with how Bob Probert and Derek Boogard ended up. Drew has already had one certified concussion; we can only hope that it will be a lot longer than 3 years before he suffers another one.

A lot of times, when sports fans complain about “greedy athletes,” they either aren’t thinking it through or they’re speaking out of resentment and envy of those who are more fortunate (and more hard-working, which is an even more morally corrupt form of envy).

"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly

by DougX on Jul 15, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

thanks Niesy

I’ve had a shite week and thats probably the time when I should pack it in relative to making comments. I mean, honestly I can see both sides. I do however still feel that a difference of 500k difference per season shouldn’t be such a sticking point (if in fact it is) when it’s going over a period of maybe 7-9 years.

Anyways, your point is super well taken. Also very true that there is no one in the system who begins to approach his level of skill.
Oh well…… have a nice weekend :-)

by number 6 on Jul 16, 2011 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aw, don’t pack it in unless you want to.

I agree 500k should not be much of a sticking point. I guess it depends on the term — if you take away some UFA years, that should mean something.

If it is the NTC/NMC clause that is the holdup, I don’t know who will give in. Lombardi doesn’t like shackling himself to those sort of things (and he had a vivid reminder of exactly why, with Smyth’s contract — though he did not give that himself). On the other hand, if you’re committing to Doughty for 7-9 years, you still have a long window before that clause kicks in.

Hmm…I really wish this was over and done with already!

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by Niesy on Jul 16, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is there a limit to the number of players whose rights you can hold? I understand that the contract limit is 50, but IIRC it used to be that you could only hold the rights to so many players as well.

I’m just surprised to see that the Kings have held on to the rights to Brady Murray. The only explanations I can think of is that are that they are so far under the ceiling in terms of holding the rights to players that it doesn’t matter, or that there is no such limit.

"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly

by DougX on Jul 14, 2011 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

There’s a 90 player reserve list. I was going to write more, but it’s referred to below the chart.

by SCSF on Jul 14, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, a 7-time Formula 1 world champion AND a hockey player? I didn’t know the guy was that talented.

by WindyMan on Jul 14, 2011 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

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