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A Sour Grape Whines about the Jets Return to Winnipeg - Arctic Ice Hockey

Is a hockey team nothing more than the collection of players, sticks, pucks, stats records and so forth that got thrown into a U-haul and driven up to Winnipeg from Atlanta? Mr. Lambert seems to take this position.

Or

Is a hockey team more than that?

Is it a little more abstract. Is part of a hockey team the memories that team leaves with you. Is it the experience of being dressed in white and cheering. Do you see the team as a important symbol of your city that was lost, as if someone came in the night and whisked the Golden Boy off the top of the Manitoba Legislature. How do you describe what is happening when a young boy sits wide-eyed as his father tells him the story of the night Teemu Selanne broke Mike Bossy's rookie record or the times the Jets beat the Flames in the playoffs. The old history of the Jets is relevant to fans in Winnipeg because they were a part of it, in a way it is theirs. Those people living today and even those who were not born yet or were too young to remember have had the Jets stories and memories passed from one generation to another. The Jets of today are the heirs to that legacy. All that left Winnipeg was the sticks, the pucks, Shane Doan and a couple of rolls of hockey tape. That is all that went to Phoenix. The hundreds of thousands of hockey fans never went, they stayed. In their minds the memories of the Jets never dimmed, the love of the team never wavered, the old jerseys faded after a thousand washes but were held tightly, the grip on them never lessened an iota. You see Mr. Lambert, in a sense the most important part of the Jets never really left Winnipeg. 

I sympathize with that argument. And it brings to mind an email I received recently, from a reader asking for advice on a personal matter.

Dear Quisp:

I hope you can help me with my problem. Thirty years ago, I married Betty. After about ten years of marital bliss, the economy went into the toilet, Betty's job transferred her to another town, and, though we tried to make it work, eventually we got a divorce. Betty soon remarried, her career took off, and, though I was initially crushed by all of this, eventually I got over it. Over the years, I dated occasionally, but never remarried. 

Now I have met someone new. Amanda. In many ways, she's a lot like Betty was around the time of our split. She's new in town. She's just divorced. She even looks like Betty and acts like Betty in many superficial ways; roughly the same physical type, similar sporty personalities, same sorts of interests, she and Betty even have the same favorite movie (now that I made her watch it about a hundred times). :) There were some differences, of course. I still had a bunch of Betty's old clothes in the garage and Amanda refused to wear them at first. But eventually she gave in. If it was that important to me, she said, she didn't mind. 

Recently, we became engaged. And now, just a month before the big day, we've had our first big fight and she's threatening to call off the wedding! The fight was over whether or not she would change her name after we were married. I know a lot of modern couples go through this. She actually was okay with changing her last name, but she has drawn the line at changing her first name to Betty. 

I have explained to her that I put a lot of time and work into my marriage to Betty, and that it would just seem strange to be married again, to go through all those emotions, but with someone not named Betty -- especially in the same house, and with her wearing the same clothes and favorite movie and hair color. (The hair dye fight was another barn-burner.) It would just be so much easier for me, if we could stick to one name. I was used to it, my friends and family were used to it. I could still use the old stories. Everyone has such fond memories of Betty and me as a couple, and I really want to tap into that sense of history!

But she will not listen to reason. Seriously, Quisp, I don't know who she is anymore. Can I be married to someone who is so unwilling to compromise?

[name withheld]

No, especially since you were big enough to forgive her for leaving you the first time. 

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I'm not without sympathy for the sentimental argument

But as I said in an earlier thread on the subject, a team is a corporate entity. Yes, it is more than a bunch of sticks and players you can pack into a van, but in a way other than what the responder to Ryan Lambert imagines. A team has a history that can be defined in legal terms, tracing the continuity of its corporate ownership. Hence, the Atlanta Thrashers-cum-Winnipeg Jets cannot legally claim the history of the Winnipeg Jets-cum-Phoenix Coyotes without the original Winnipeg Jets’ permission, and presumably they are not keen to give it up. Maybe that’s not the ideal way in which to define a sports team, but it’s logical and clearly definable.

Here’s the analogy I would use: Someone buys your old family home, the house in which you grew up. They don’t get your family history along with it, unless you’re willing to let them have it.

"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly

by DougX on Sep 23, 2011 4:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Last Time Around Your Argument Was Also Well Presented

You convinced me and I saw the flaws in my point of view.

This led me to conclude that teams should rename if they relocate. Team names should remain attached to a regional…even if the name is kept in storage for a few decades. The Ottawa Senators for example.

If names remain regional the history then stays with “the house”, not “the family”.

The “families” who live in the house create history but do not own it; As in Washington slept here or the Gretzky LA era belonging to Kings history.

Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?

by USHA#17 on Sep 23, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Atlanta Thrashers-cum-Winnipeg Jets cannot legally claim the history of the Winnipeg Jets-cum-Phoenix Coyotes

I don’t think “cum” means what you think it means…

by meetyourmako on Sep 24, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait, so you think all teams in an area should be named the same thing?

by meetyourmako on Sep 24, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The new Winnipeg Jets are like the Holy Roman Empire. They call themselves Rome. They pretend to be descended from the old Rome. But they’re not the real Rome. And everybody knows it.

by Garrett79 on Sep 23, 2011 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Fantastic analogy, and I totally agree. AIH wasn’t too happy with my response when Ben brought up the history issue (which he linked to in that piece you’ve quoted), but this is another great example of why I thought the whole thing was dumb. “Dumb” being the word that got me in trouble over there.

Of course, while I disagree with Ben on the whole 1.0/2.0 history business, I really think the rest of his post was spot on. Lambert is a god damn troll, his entire post that Ben was refuting was ridiculous, and it’s amazing to me that this jackass gets to put his garbage on Puck Daddy. Lambert’s a douche.

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by IAmJoe on Sep 23, 2011 8:51 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I whole-heartedly recommend any post that contain the words “Lambert’s a douche.” Bravo, sir.

Free Oscar Moeller

by DodgerBlueBalls on Sep 24, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amanda Flasher and her hair – Flaming Red or Jet Black?

Best thing I have read all night.

I still say the Jets should have taken a different name and should make at least a token effort to tell the story of the Thrashers era. If there were never a Thrasher, there probably would have never been a jet…

It's always a great day or night for hockey - no matter the time or place!

by spiker97 on Sep 24, 2011 8:50 PM PDT reply actions  

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