"PLEASE DREW COME BACK WE LOVE YOU!"
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Tim Leiweke [...] supports General Manager Dean Lombardi’s stance in negotiations with unsigned defenseman Drew Doughty and emphasized Lombardi’s offer of an average $6.8 million annually is based solely on allocating dollars to improve the team and maintaining a strong nucleus that will allow the Kings to compete for the Stanley Cup for years to come. [...] Leiweke [said the Kings] plan to spend up to the salary cap of $64.3 million. But they want room to upgrade their talent before the trading deadline and maneuver in case of injuries, and paying Doughty the $7 million-plus that he’s seeking would change the allocation and budget and have long-term implications."
Note the "plus".
"[...] we’re going to be a cap team. This is not a matter of the Kings or AEG saving money. [...]" Leiweke said. "This is a matter of allocation of dollars and the fight here is how do we ultimately respect Drew. And we respect the world out of Drew. I think the world of the kid. He is the cornerstone of the franchise long term and we’re not going to let him go anywhere. Dean’s 100% [correct] that a trade solution’s not in the cards."
"The difference of opinion here is that Drew may see this as disrespect, and it’s not at all.
Doughty believes the Kings are disrespecting him. By...? Okay, we'll unpack that one later.
"We have offered to make him the fourth-highest-paid defenseman in the NHL and equal the highest-paid King in our history. When I look at that, I think there either has to be a miscommunication or Drew’s a 21-year-old and probably hasn’t done what he may need to do here, which is stand up and take charge of the decision."
Where have I heard that before? Oh, right. I said that. So, now we have confirmation that either (1) the Kings believe Doughty is being controlled by his agent, or (2) they want him to think that everyone thinks he's being controlled by his agent.
[...] Doughty is believed to be seeking over $7 million per season.
Again, note the "over."
"[...] if our mistake is we offered it too quick, then Drew needs to take a step back and understand it’s not about a lack of negotiation. The fact is we offered it quickly because we didn’t want to negotiate."
I don't think he meant to say that, exactly. If I didn't essentially agree with Leiweke here, I would make fun of the fact that, if you didn't want to negotiate, then it is about a lack of negotiation, because there more or less hasn't been any...negotiation. Clearly what he's trying to say is, the Kings made a great first offer because they wanted to get it done in June. And Camp Doughty clearly mistook the end point for the starting point.
[...] If someone’s whispering in Drew’s ear that ownership is going to get impatient and blink, they’re wrong."
Clearly, Meehan has been telling Doughty for three months that the Kings will increase their offer when push comes to shove. I say "clearly" because, really, what else could he say?
The logical question becomes if the sides are "only" about $300,000 apart, should the Kings bend and increase their offer?
Wait. Where is this $300K figure coming from? Is this a typo? Did Leiweke say something about a $7.1MM demand from Camp Doughty? Is Helene just assuming that if the Doughty counter-offers start at $7MM and go up, the only other one couldn't be $7.05? I suppose that's a safe assumption (though it's kind of funny to imagine Meehan saying, "all right, we'll come down...$50,000!" And Lombardi could respond by saying, "and we'll give you five and a half years"). Still, that's the first time I've heard anyone mention a $300K gap.
"I think it’s the allocation issue and I’m not saying Dean doesn’t have the right to budge here. That’s Dean’s decision and I’ll support it," Leiweke said. "I don’t know if Dean’s going to do that because it gets back to the same problem. We don’t have that much money left in our cap right now and so when you factor in injuries and you factor in February moves at the trade deadline, we’re cutting it tight.
That's wiggle room. Unless Lombardi is actually planning to raise his offer (which would be reason for hope, right?), I would think this sentence from Leiweke would be enough to cause Meehan to stick to his position more resolutely (which would be bad, right?). No, no (NO!), I choose to see this as a good thing. Leiweke wouldn't mention wiggle room if Lombardi wasn't about to use it.
"More importantly, tell me which player we’re now starting to carve this $300,000 or $400,000 out of. [...] we’ve got some restricted and unrestricted free agents that we have to deal with in the next two years. So who is it on this team we go look at and say, ‘We just gave Drew your extra money, because $6.8 [million] wasn’t good enough'? That’s not good for team chemistry."
I would call this "well-played," provided that the Kings actually do add pieces in March to go right up to the tippy-top of the upper-limit. I also see that Leiweke is referencing $300-400K here, so that's likely where Helene is getting it. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Doughty's most reasonable offer is asking for $7.1-7.2MM.
"I support Dean on what he’s trying to do here. [...] It’s an allocation issue here and everyone, including most of the players I’ve run into in the last week, they get that we are desperate to try to keep enough resources to keep this team together long term."
That's two references to the opinions of Doughty's teammates and how they might not be in the pro-Doughty camp. I would so love to know which players (Leiweke said "most", not "all"), didn't toe the line. Also, aren't you picturing Leiweke talking to Kings players, all nodding eagerly and agreeing, and it's Thomas Hickey, Viatcheslav Voynov, Jake Muzzin, Davis Drewiske and Andrew Campbell?
"[...] Please, Drew, come back. We love you," Leiweke said. "Let’s not destroy this relationship or his reputation or our reputation over something like this."
Why does this remind me of that moment in Silence of the Lambs when they keep saying the hostage's name so the psycho will maybe start to think of her as human, instead of as an outfit? But I digress.
I am glad that Leiweke said this. Even though it's a business move, I appreciate it. It works on me. (PROVIDED IT'S BACKED UP WITH A NEW OFFER -- see below.)
"We need to get this done. He needs to get back in here. And we need to get him ready to go to Europe. He should not miss that trip. It would mean that we would begin to move on without him and that’s a bad thing."
So, to sum up
- Drew thinks he's being disrespected because the Kings won't increase their offer.
- The Kings think "someone" is whispering in Drew's ear.
- The Kings think Drew is not able or not yet willing to stand up to this mysterious "someone."
- They appear to be apart by more than the previously quoted $200K.
- The number now appears to be $300-400K. Which would put Doughty's desired number at $7.1-7.2MM.
- Lombardi has the go-ahead to sweeten the pot. Which means, if you ask me, that Lombardi will sweeten the pot (or Leiweke said something he wishes he hadn't said).
- The Kings are explicitly announcing that they plan to spend to the upper limit of the cap, by adding pieces at the deadline. You can't say, "we're not getting a tree this year because we're going to Hawaii," and then not go to Hawaii.
- If Doughty gets more, that money comes out of the pockets of Jarret Stoll, Dustin Penner, Willie Mitchell or Zach Parise. (Sorry, I had to.)
- Or Scott Parse.
- If Doughty doesn't end this, this week, the Kings will possibly maybe kinda sorta "begin" to "move on." Whatever that means. Since they're not trading him, I don't think it means anything at all. It's a threat borrowed from the impotent ex-boyfriend playbook.
How I read the tea leaves
- Lombardi is about to make an offer, maybe going up to $7MM, which would be halfway to the $7.1-$7.2MM that Leiweke implies Doughty is asking for.
- Leiweke is publicly advising Doughty to accept this compromise, otherwise his teammates will resent him, per above.
- It makes no sense for Leiweke to lay the groundwork for Doughty to "come home," if they're not then going to follow that up with an offer he's then primed to accept, to "do what he may have to do here, which is stand up and take charge of this decision."
- My guess is the offer will be $7MM/6yrs. Lombardi relents on the cash, Doughty relents on the term.
- I have talked myself into this Leiweke interview being reason for hope. I would be willing to bet that some kind of sweetened offer will go to Doughty this week and -- dammit -- this would be the perfect time (actually the last chance) for Doughty to end the stand-off before we start to have to assess damages.
- I choose to hold out hope that this actually might end by Friday, and I haven't felt that sanguine about the Doughty mess in months, or ever.
- I am also pretty sure that if Doughty doesn't sign this week, it will be awhile.
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Clearly what he’s trying to say is, the Kings made a great first offer because they wanted to get it done in June. And Camp Doughty clearly mistook the end point for the starting point.
Dammit. I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. You never lead with your best offer. The other side will just think you’re a chump, or that you’re being an asshole when you refuse to budge. Dean acted out of goodwill, and it backfired on him.
Hate it when that happens.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
IT WAS THE PLAN
Dean has been very clear about the plan, which all of the players seemed like they were on board with. They have all acted in good faith too. Think Dustin Brown for instance, who gets paid less than most of the forwards that have been brought in. But he wants to be the first captain to hoist the cup.
I thought that Leiweke’s comments, while somewhat contrived, were spot on and ballsy. Someone has to point out the elephant in the room. But he surprised me with how far he went…it seriously was messing with my head and I’m not even Drew. It’s almost shameless, and I hope to hell it works:)
by kings4queens on Sep 27, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
If DL offers DD 7 a year for 6 or 7 years I'm so in
DL will have done his part in negotiating without totally giving in. Does DD even have a choice at that point?
Personally I’ve only read one defense of Doughty during this whole saga and that was from Ken Campbell in The Hockey News. If DD were to turn down 7 a year for 6 or 7 years, he won’t have a single backer in the league. He’s already made himself look bad enough.
I think 7Mil 6 years sounds about right. Remember just before camp opened and Dean said he was going to meet with management in the next 24 hours (he was going to speak to Tim), because they needed to get this resolved. We never heard anything else about that, now we have. Timmy said OK but let’s wait a week or so.
I think 7Mil 6 years sounds about right
Turn those numbers around and they sound right
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
Well if Tim keeps saying 6.8 is great he isn’t going to offer 6. He is saying 6.8 is great so 7 would have to be accepted. How can you say no to 7 when 6.8 is great? Dean had said early in the summer that he is able to do more in the way of a cap hit if they are willing to give up UFA years. If Drew signs for 6 or 7 years Dean will give him 7Mil. Who wouldn’t be resigned because Drew gets $200,000 more?
Have to Give Doughty Something
Otherwise he can’t tell Meehan to go to hell.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
Someone in a previous thread mentioned how with Chicago it wasn’t that they were going to lose their top core guys, but rather the top complementary pieces. Hjalmarsson got an offer sheet from the Sharks that the Blackhawks matched but then had to let Niemi go because they couldn’t afford to keep both.
Also, let’s say next year player X is a free agent the Kings want and they have 3 million in space after signing other people. They can offer him that, but if another team offers 3.5, he’s probably going there (even if it is a sucky team). If the Kings have a few hundred thousand more to offer, maybe he goes with the good team in the Kings rather than the sucky team for a couple hundred thousand less.
I don’t think Lombardi is going to up his offer. Tim is just setting the record that AEG isn’t being cheap and the limit is being set by Lombardi and they back their GM.
This is also for the other GMs that may be thinking of an offer sheet. The Kings have the cap space and AEG will spend the cash to match any offer.
Meehan isn’t going to get his offer sheet and Lombardi isn’t going to increase his offer. Tim is letting Drew know that it’s up to him to decide if he wants to play hockey this season. There is no reason for Lombardi to negotiate with himself.
They have no choice
If $200,000 means Drew starting the season with the Kings, then he will start the season with the Kings. If there remains an issue over years or the $ amount is more than $200,000 then maybe he is out a little longer. If 7 mil gets Drew to Europe then he is going.
I wouldn’t be so sure. And the issue isn’t just this year, sure the Kings don’t have to worry much about the cap space now, but at the deadline when they try to make a move or next year when they try to sign a free agent, then that space will be missed. It’s not like its just 200,000 this year, it is 200,000 every year for the next 5-9 years
Also, they do have a choice, it is to let Drew continue to hold-out and play Voynov/Hickey in the meantime and have confidence in the young guys and other D to step up and fill in while Doughty is out. Do they want to do this? No. But are they willing to? Yeah, I think they will.
Well to start,according to the article it is more than that. And to be honest, yes. Drew has more to lose the longer this goes on. As said in the comments of another post, he can go to Europe and probably make pretty good money, but he won’t be able to play in the NHL for a long time (7 years I believe) and his legacy will forever have this holdout on it. If both sides decided to remain stubborn for two years (extremely unlikely I know), his image will forever be changed. It isn’t like the Kings are really low-balling him with offers here. At the beginning of the summer I believe most of the arguments all the fans had and here on JFTC were about how much Drew should get and the general feeling (from what I remember) was around 6.25-6.75 or so. It’s not like all the fans, media, etc. are saying he should be getting 8 million and we are only offering him 6.8!
Don't get me wrong
I think it is BS that Drew would get so much money. I don’t think a 21 year old with 3 years in the league and one great year gets to write his own ticket. I think he should get a 5 year 5.7 mil cap hit contract. I believe the team is more important than any player. I believe the Kings should be responsible and NOT throw money around. BUT the Kings said he is worth 6.8. Of course they said that is their best offer but guess what, it isn’t. If they will pay him 6.8 they will pay him 7. I don’t like it but it is life. I don’t like the 6.8 but Dean didn’t check with me. Think what you want about principle but they have already almost 55 mil in cap hit right now, with this much invested do you believe they would let Drew sit the whole year out over $200,000. Like I said if years are still involved or it is quite a bit more money than $200,000 this can go on a long time, but if it took the Kings paying 7 for Drew to play it is a done deal.
Are there any cases when the player caves in a holdout? I am sure there is but I can only think of the team giving in on past holdouts. Dean’s history with SJ and the Kings the players got the money. POS and MC with the Kings were signed and then traded but they got the money. History shows time is not on the Kings side. I remember Lindros was drafted by Quebec and didn’t want to play for them, after sitting a year he was traded, he got his way.
If they will pay him 6.8 they will pay him 7.
The thing is, you have to draw the line somewhere and I think the Kings may just stand firm on their offers they have made so far. Otherwise you get into well 6.8 is about the same as 7, but isn’t 7.2 just about the same as 7 and 7.5 is just a little more than 7.2 and on and on. Kings have made clear they have drawn the line with what they have offered now and it is up to Drew to come to them now.
Xeno's Paradox, Lombardi Amendment
In order to get from point A to point B, you first have to travel half the distance. But to travel half the distance, you first have to travel half of that distance. But to travel half of half the distance, you first have to…
ergo, motion is impossible.
I think Dean’s going up to 7.
I disagree, and here's why:
everything leiweke said is in lock-step with what lombardi has previously said; all the talking points are synched up. “if we made a mistake it was leading with our best offer” etc. Leiweke is not what I would call the forthcoming type, in general. for him to say “dean can go higher” tells me that DEAN IS GOING TO GO HIGHER. If I’m Meehan, I hear that as Dean can AND WILL go higher. Leiweke knows this. Leiweke is Leiweke for a reason. There’s just no way Leiweke says that and then Lombardi refuses to budge. No way.
But here we agree: Leiweke is telling Drew it’s up to him to accept the offer when it comes.
I really do think it’s coming and I also think if it isn’t accepted we will hear about it.
I can see your point. I was seeing it as “Dean knows his job, and he knows what cap hit is good for the team, but ownership would give him more if he wanted”
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
And I disagree with your disagreement. :)
AEG is just covering their ass again against the “cheap” criticism. TL is saying that Dean isn’t against a cash budget.
Offer sheets come when a team is up near the cap or if they are on a cash budget. TL is telling everyone that the Kings have the cash for Doughty.
I guess we will find out over the next 48 hours. This just felt like a plea for Drew to pull a Bobby Ryan.
Here's the thing. (and I appreciate you disagreement-disagreement :)))
I don’t think anyone thinks Lombardi wouldn’t match an offer sheet. Other GMs, I mean. I can see your point though.
What draws me back to agreeing with myself is how out-of-sync it would be for Leiweke to wade into the middle of this and say that Lombardi has the permission to spend more. Yes, it could protect against an offer sheet, but it’s guaranteed to make meehan expect more. and THAT only makes sense if lombardi is willing to come up a bit in $.
Also, if we’re just talking about an extra $300k/season, that seems like a fairly weak weapon against possible offer sheets. If any GM was seriously considering an offer sheet, I have a hard time believing that that would change his mind. Any GM who would make an offer sheet to Doughty at this point is hardly the timid type to begin with.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
“Leiweke is Leiweke for a reason.”
Agreed. He did not get to be President of AEG by being a bad negotiator.
by HawaiiKingsFan on Sep 26, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Nor did he get the Farmer’s Field deal rammed through by being a bad negotiator. I agree that it would be out of character for him to misspeak on an important point like that in an interview with the LA Times’ hockey writer. I tend to think that Quisp is onto something here.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Dean could have decided back in June that he would go to 7. He has been pretty positive through this whole thing. Tim is still saying Drew isn’t going anywhere. If they are so sure he isn’t going anywhere then they know they have an offer he will accept.
He isn’t going anywhere because the Kings own his rights. As long as he wants to play in the NHL for the next 7 years, he belongs to the Kings. They have said they won’t trade him and will match an offer sheet if he signs one so he really has no choice but to play for the Kings or sit out till he’s 27. They don’t have to make him an offer he will accept to make sure he doesn’t go anywhere.
Your using your heart, not your head
Good use of an asset. If your not going to pay him you must trade him.
Well the Kings aren’t going to trade him because they are betting that he isn’t going to want to sit out 7 years or try to play in Europe till then so he will eventually come around and agree to a deal without them having to cave to his demands. Drew doesn’t have to do this, but I thinks it is a fair bet by the Kings that he will. Really I don’t blame either side too much. At a certain point something needs to be worked out but I understand where each side is coming from. So far nothing big has been missed so it still isn’t that big of a deal to me until he starts missing regular season games. Time is starting to run out, but these kinds of deals always go down to just at the last minute. Look at Chris Johnson with the Titans in the NFL. He held out all of training camp, but signed just in time for the real games. Debt ceiling negotiations go right down to the last minute. NFL lockout caused missed HOF game before they worked something out just in time to save rest of the preseason.
I hope you're right
6.8 is overpaying for Drew as it is. I compare him to Lidstrom at 6.2 cap hit. Has he accomplished more than Lidstrom or can he in this contract? I think no way. He has potential but if they agree at 6 years the Kings only buy one year of UFA. If Drew wants a lower year amount he needs to take a lot less cash, say 5.5 IMO.
Doughty will look greedy, but many other teams would welcome his talent.
AEG will look cheap, but plenty of players would be willing to be paid.
And so on, and so forth…
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
If Doughty doesn’t end this, this week, the Kings will possibly maybe kinda sorta “begin” to “move on.” Whatever that means. Since they’re not trading him, I don’t think it means anything at all. It’s a threat borrowed from the impotent ex-boyfriend playbook.
I think all he means by saying begin to move on is just that we will be playing regular season games and have to use Voynov or Hickey (since it looks like its between those two pretty much now in camp) to take his spot for now and focus on winning with those guys in the lineup.
The real story?
Hard to say. But having this go on longer is really to Drew’s disadvantage. Maybe he is being manipulated by his agent, and if so, he is an abject pussy. I’m glad that TL spoke up so Doughty’s camp hears some solidarity from the Kings’ side of it.
I have no difficulty believing that other players are starting to seem his as a greedy prick. That is the price you pay for being a greedy prick.
edit
I will try again. “See him as a greedy prick”.
(tired, worked my ass off today)
Whatever it was you were going for...
I agree with it.
If Doughty gets more, that money comes out of the pockets of Jarret Stoll, Dustin Penner, Willie Mitchell or Zach Parise. (Sorry, I had to.)
Come on, now. It’s part of the natural life cycle of teams. They don’t keep all veterans, Doughty or no. New kids come up.
You can’t always keep the Stolls and Mitchells (as you yourself said, certain defensemen need to graduate to responsible grown ups). I would like to keep Mitchell, but then I would have liked to hang on to Handzus.
Parise beats Penner, it wouldn’t be both.
Eh.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
who are you talking to?
I’m not the one saying that. Leiweke is the one saying it. I personally don’t think there’s room for either Stoll or Mitchell, probably not for Penner, but I hold out hope.
I just threw Parise in there to agitate the idiots who will not be named.
The other thing he didn’t mention once is years. Even though McKenzie said they were insisting on 7.
Like the dog that didn’t bark in the night time.
Does that mean Doughty would do 7 years if they bumped up the money, or does it just mean that it’s more rhetorically convenient to attack him by ignoring it? IDK what to think anymore…
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
I’ve said in another thread that both Kopi and Richards will make exactly $35.6mm each over the next 5 years, and I think this is an important figure in this pissing match. Meaning, I don’t see Meehan settling for less than this $7.12mm cap hit for the next 5 years. If you extend to 6, 7, or 8 years, those extra years would also be worth more than 7.12mm per. So I’m not surprised to hear hints about a 300k-400k difference from the 6.8mm.
And I’m afraid that difference is only if you look at 5 years and gets bigger, the longer the term. The ask might be close to $44mm to get to 6 years, and around $52 to get to 7 years.
by Passemoilapuck on Sep 26, 2011 8:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Part of the 300-400k difference can be made up for through advertising/marketing contracts. But for that, you can’t have the public image of a little brat and probably won’t get a lot of sponsorship offers if there’s a lot of people wearing jerseys with your name and a $ sign on it, where the 8 used to go.
by Passemoilapuck on Sep 26, 2011 8:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe it's just me
But I read the mentions of Lombardi possibly budging to be more the owner not wanting to hamstring the GM, rather than actually telling about an upcoming offer.
Course, what do I know (Sharks fan). Good luck though, I honestly hope DD can figure his shit out and sign an offer.
In this case, though, there’s no point in the President of the parent company using a press interview to tell his GM that he has room to maneuver. He could say that in private. The real audience is the fans and Doughty and his agent.
Given that, it would be counter-productive for Leiweke to suggest that the Kings could improve their offer unless a better offer was being planned. Their entire strategy until now has been to sit tight, say that they’ve made their best offer and count on Drew getting tired of waiting for something better, their leverage being that if Drew doesn’t sign by December he has to sit out the entire NHL season.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Except that even more important to the Kings, I think, is that they seem willing to spend to put out a good team. I really think it is likely AEG would put some limit on what they are willing to pay in salary, say 7.5 million for fun, so he is just saying Dean can go higher if he wants because we are willing to spend, but if he thinks this is the highest cap hit we can afford then we support him.
Yes, but to the extent that Doughty/Meehan are going to read and parse that particular statement, anything that indicates that Lombardi can actually offer more than he’s offered to this point will only strengthen Doughty’s resolve to hold out — unless, as Quisp says, Lombardi actually follows up with a higher offer.
Otherwise, the following conversation has just been enabled:
Lombardi: I keep telling you, 6.8 mil per year is the best we can do.
Meehan: That’s not what your boss told Helene Elliott.
Lombardi (to self): Fuck.
Instead, I think that Leiweke has just enabled a slightly more generous offer, which will then be the Kings’ best and final offer.
So I guess I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I am agreeing with Quisp’s point about Leiweke and Lombardi speaking in sync with each other.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
by DougX on Sep 26, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like Drew has been afforded the chance to change from goat to hero.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
by USHA#17 on Sep 26, 2011 9:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
When he signs all is forgotten. Tim was telling the fans not to get down on Drew.
by Osaka19 on Sep 27, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Another Decision ???
Will DD take his talents somewhere else? Maybe to Winnipeg? Ottawa? Florida?
well I lean the same way
I am also pretty sure that if Doughty doesn’t sign this week, it will be awhile.
I feel very much the same Quisp. Only yesterday I was skeptical about him signing this week, but after seeing this article I’d say rather this week or not for quite some time whenever that may be.
the weight of a big contract
Quisp and Niesy and others: would welcome your take on this.
In the playoffs it seemed that DD often tended to try and do too much (see unnecessary hipcheck on Couture as one example).
Often athletes with huge contracts then try to start justifying them by doing too much, and we know how that can turn out. Any chance you could see that being a problem with Doughty if they in fact do raise the offer?
As it is it’s supposedly the 4th highest for a dman in the nhl. I mean, that doesn’t seem all that bad to me. Then they raise it…… what happens?
What's the "deadline" that Doughty needs to be in camp by in order to make the Europe trip?
Tuesday – game
Wednesday – game
Friday – game
Saturday – game
Tuesday 10/4 – game in Europe
If he doesn’t sign today or tomorrow to be in Thursday’s practice, I just don’t see him with the team for at least after the Europe trip.
Let him sit out a season
and cost himself 6.8 million only to be offered the same deal next year.
I don’t like holdouts that haven’t put up the numbers to justify the over inflated salary the GM has offered them.















