Kings 5, Caps 2 -- Post-Game Bullets
by Quisp on Jan 10, 2012 1:23 PM PST
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Print- Did the Kings just snap out of their scoring drought, or did they spend their entire monthly budget of goals in one game?
- I wish Jack Johnson had scored on that pass from Brad Richardson off that beautiful slow-motion feed from Andrei Loktionov.
- Loktionov may be the best player in the league with no goals. He's also become quite a good back-checker.
- I still love the Trevor Lewis - Loktionov - Richardson line and thank the hockey gods for answering my prayers for a Donnelly-Millenesque third line.
- I loved reading, on LAKi, "Kyle Clifford beat Alex Ovechkin to the puck" (on Clifford's goal) but I don't think that was Ovechkin.
- That head "dive" by Jason Chimera was comical. He needs to take stunt-man lessons.
- I choose not to pick on Dustin Brown for failing to get a shot off on a breakaway.
- Two points for Clifford, but that's not as surprising to me as two points for Trent Hunter. I would not have picked him to win the Moreau/Parse/Hunter/Westgarth sweepstakes. In fact, I think I would have picked him to finish last out of that group.
- Dustin Penner had four hits, three shots, and was instrumental on two goals.
- Didn't Penner play center at some point in his career? I mention it because that makes two lines (Penner-Mike Richards-Jarret Stoll, Lewis-Loktionov-Richardson) that are 100% centers. Kinda.
- 1 of 3 on the powerplay. [dances jig]
- Best plus-minus per 60 minutes of ice-time: Brown (.40), Slava Voynov (.33), Loktionov (.24), Justin Williams (.21), Richards (.13), Stoll (.12), Anze Kopitar (0.0).
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Completely off topic but I can’t hold it in.
I love that Pheonix claimed Brule off waivers.
It launched my ROFL-copter.
Our PDO is finally getting better! It really is! (nerd dance)
I still love the Trevor Lewis – Loktionov – Richardson line and thank the hockey gods for answering my prayers for a Donnelly-Millenesque third line.
I still love that too. I remember liking the line so much that I thought it would have a one-game shelf life. I’m so glad Sutter put it back together.
I am also glad Lokti gets to develop at the NHL level. With a teacher like Richards around, he’s soaking up knowledge every day.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
best thing darryl sutter has done
he has given the bottom six guys identity and made them useful. Love that Richie-Lokti-Lewie line.
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Jan 11, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
His stats may be looking better, but I still found him shaky last night and with quite a few near-misses under pressure. The Caps didn’t put as much pressure in the 3rd, so that helped.
I hope we can see Voynov back sooner than later. He has missed quite a few games now, which makes me wonder how hurt he is/was. I just hope he comes back healthy and stays healthy – we need him for many years.
by Passemoilapuck on Jan 10, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Another awesome thing!
The Kings had two- and three-goal leads and didn’t sit on it. They kept pressing. My god, it was beautiful.
Shot attempt differentials: Doughty +18, Ovechkin -11, with 13.5 of their even strength minutes against each other. Heh.
Also, Carlson -22, Alzner -18. Oof.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Oh, and with a 3-day break before the next game, maybe someone can take Sutter shopping for a couple of new suits and shirts. I’m pretty sure he bought most of these for his coaching job interview in Chicago in 1992.
he dresses like
an extrathe sofa from Friends
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Jan 10, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah… he had that mustard yellow shirt when he was coaching the Flames, probably before that too. Last time I wore one of those as a suit shirt? 1994.
by Passemoilapuck on Jan 10, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Diasgree
Who the fuck cares what he wears as long as he can motivate these players who seem to have issues with apathy. Terry Murray always looked impeccable (I don’t think we ever saw him in the same thing twice), but didn’t seem to help much.
I think Sutter is more of the “Dutch uncle” type…
but but but…. as the song says: THIS IS L.A., LOS ANGELES!
We’re the city of ultimate makeovers, Pretty Woman, fake tits, and all of that! Actually, a good cross-promotion move would be to team up with TLC and have Darryl go on “What not to wear” for the full wardrobe overhaul. It might be the best hour of TV ever.
by Passemoilapuck on Jan 10, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
BTW, this was probably the most exciting game I watched at Staples this year.
The home opener against STL was fun and “wooo look at our new team!!” exciting, but yesterday was just much more intense, and everything seemed to click. Let’s try to replicate that against division teams, and playoff teams.
Caveat – this was my 6th game this year. I probably missed some great games, including the Vancouver game.
by Passemoilapuck on Jan 10, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
It was a hell of a lot of fun, but in all seriousness, not many teams are going to have as many breakdowns as the Caps. Would still like to see the Kings take more risks in the future, now that they can consistently apply pressure.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
I have to agree. I’d seen them at MSG last year and the year before. This was a different Caps team.
Ovechkin is a guy that can you. I saw him personally devastate the Rangers in one game.
Last night the Caps didn’t look sharp…not only did it seem they lacked confidence their defense sucked. Plus, they were hardly able to get pucks up to Ovechkin…and that’s their go to play.
Seeing the game on TV I couldn’t tell if it was the Kings clogging the lanes or if the Caps weren’t sharp. I surmise the latter.
In any case the Caps were just what the Doctor ordered.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
I think a little of both. Kings clogged the middle while a number of players, including Semin, didn’t show up. And, the Caps couldn’t keep pucks on their sticks, at the same time LA was in position to take advantage.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
by USHA#17 on Jan 11, 2012 6:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well, the Ducks just scored another one against Dallas….
You all realize that the Ducks’ crappiness puts us in the position of rooting for them against the other 3 Pacific teams (as well as some other Western Conference teams) for the rest of the season? :-)
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Hate to say it, but I root for them all the time except when the Kings are involved in it somewhere negatively.
I want them in the playoffs.
Not just in the playoffs, but in the Western Conference finals, with a trip to the Finals on the line. What a series, and would do wonders for the rivalry (maybe make it a real one). That would put some pepper on it.
How hated would we be if the Kings not only won a Cup, but went through Anahiem to do it?
You all realize that the Ducks’ crappiness puts us in the position of rooting for them against the other 3 Pacific teams (as well as some other Western Conference teams) for the rest of the season? :-)
Ugh, yes. I was at the Ducks/Stars game actually and my heart and mind were in two different places. I was so excited when Dallas made it 2-2 but I knew I shouldn’t have been…
We better not regress on Thursday
We seem to be spending more time in our offensive zone ever since Sutter took over… That’s a good sign… I’d like us to unstaple ourselves out of the sideboards and play more towards the middle, but baby steps…
For God so loved the world he gave us his only son, that whoever believes in him will have eternal Tebow swag.
Heh. I just read a Puck Daddy rumor chat that declared the Kings won’t have cap space this summer. I guess because a team is near the cap now, none can come off the books…oh say to the tune of $13.6 million to reallocate. More if Gagne has to stay on IR.
Capgeek. It’s crazy!
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
He said he didn’t think the Kings would have the cap space to sign Parise, not that they wouldn’t have cap space.
I mean really — you can argue that it’s not a good idea to give him a massive cap-bending contract, or that he’s not going to make it to free agency, or that big free agents never sign with Pacific coast teams anymore because of the travel. But Penner’s cap goes to the new LW, you don’t have to keep Stoll, and so on and so forth.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Penner won’t be back. There’s about 4 mil. I think Stoll (as much as I like him) walks also. There’s another 3.5. I think Parise could be had for about 7.5…
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Jan 11, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Brad Richards to the Kings this summer would have been more of a headache. But I don’t know what the plan was there.
Frankly, I think there are bigger issues with the hope of acquiring Parise than money. The Kings haven’t drafted or developed the kind of speedy LW sniper they need, and they’ve had years. If they don’t want to spend in the overheated crapshoot of free agency, they at least need to trade for the kind of prospect they lack.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
The Devils didn’t have the cap space for Kovalchuk, either
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
by Nut on Jan 11, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, there’s always a chance the Kings will pull something stupid one year from now like Nashville did with Rinne, but they have a great deal more flexibility now and in the future than the Devils did.
Quick’s the only mild concern I have — not that they couldn’t replace him if he wants a ton, but will they? Nashville cut of one of its greatest cheap-contract strengths at the knees when they gave Rinne $7M. Their young goalies are excellent and they have the best goalie coach in the league (they survived the loss of Vokoun just fine). Weber’s situation affected that contract, but it was a bad move.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
I still have no idea what they were thinking with Rinne. They are a goalie factory in Nashville and what they did was essentially guarantee they were losing Suter or Weber, possibly both. It was like giving Tim Thomas a new 7 year contract while you got Rask waiting and Seguin due for a pay raise down the road
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Jan 11, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Or they knew they were losing Suter, Weber, or both
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
they must have talked to them about new contracts and received a response akin to a middle finger being flipped for them to just say “screw both of em, let’s sign Rinne instead”
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Jan 11, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
The only reason I can see giving him that contract is because its shitty PR to lose all 3
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
yeah team identity hinges on those guys. but man, losing both weber and suter? there goes your captain and assistant, and arguably the top defensive pairing in the league. plus you know detroit is absolutely just drooling at the chance to get one of them at least
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Jan 11, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
That, and it would be helpful to meet the cap floor if they were to lose one or both of them.
It’s just regrettable because their goaltending development is a thing of beauty.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Vokoun, Mason, Ellis, Rinne, and Lindback doesn’t look bad at all. Strange to stray from the formula that’s been working, especially when it matters most
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Jan 11, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder how much Semin's stock will fall by the off season
and if we signed him how long would it be before Sutter smothered him in his sleep. But if the Kings could get him for ~4 mill/year I would do this in a heartbeat over Parise.
Semin-Kopitar-Williams
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Parse-Loktionov-Richardson
Clifford-Cliche-Lewis-Hunter-Nolan
Doughty-Scuderi
Martinez-Green
Johnson-Voynov
Hickey/Muzzin
The “though” of having a Semin is very different then the reality.
Simen often disappears for long periods of time/games and tends to fold in hard hitting games. For the LA game he emerged on two, maybe three shifts on the outside edge of the right circle that was it.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
On the plus side, if the Kings have Semin, Loktionov and Toffoli then Sutter could form a new Doghouse Line.
Zach Parise Career Playoffs: 37 GP, 28 Points, +1
Alexander Semin Career Playoffs: 37 GP, 30 Points, +3
I think we could use him. No question. But the Kings go through 20-30 goal scorers like a meat grinder. He would be finished on day 2. No, day one and a half.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
right but order by preference A)Parise at ~8MM/year B)Semin at ~5/MM C) Neither
I would say C>B>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A
Is B that much better?
The Kings can transform anyone. They know exactly how to instill defensive responsibility without sacrificing offense. Look what they’ve done over the…
Aw hell.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Is B that much better?
~3MM is a pretty cavernous difference. Semin is also a WAY better defensive player than he gets credit for.
Their career outputs are eerily similar:
Also career at Team 5v5/per game:
Semin +0.17 (.54 GF, .37 GA)
Parise +0.14 (.48 GF, .34 GA)
I’d argue also that Semin has a bigger upside and is less of an injury concern.
Japers Rink will also tell you he has Bad Sasha moments of inconsistency.
Also, I’m not a hater of Semin, but bigger upside? He’s going to reach another level on this team? The opposite usually occurs.
It’s all irrelevant if he can’t a) stay out of the doghouse and b) maintain his scoring on this team.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
By the way, I’m not trying to minimize the difference between 8 million and 5. But a 5 million dollar player that doesn’t flourish here — like some of the other forwards we acquired who should have worked, on paper — is still a bust. Semin is, fairly or unfairly, going to be seen as a major project whose bad habits the coach is going to have to fix. That doesn’t seem promising.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
I agree. I think I’m actually biased toward enigmatic russian players. I still really miss Frolov :(
Mmm hmm.
It’s just sad because I think the org should be doing what you want to do (go after a talented player whose value has fallen, getting the most out of them). Other clubs do that. I guess the Frolov incident among others has beat the hope out of me.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
It’s just sad because I think the org should be doing what you want to do (go after a talented player whose value has fallen, getting the most out of them).
That’s what Dean did with Handzus, and then with Quincy, and then with Sturm. All of them were undervalued for various reasons, and available for relatively cheap. It’s in the last year or so that he has gotten away from that.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
When something besides injury is concerned, not so much. Nashville can pick up someone like Kostitsyn and Trotz makes it work. I can’t imagine the Kings pulling anything like that off. They shed effective possession players like Frolov instead.
DL will do injury reclamation projects like Williams, because after Philly and the Carolina cup win, he already believes in JW. Sturm was his own former heart and soul guy from SJ. That can’t go the win column, because they ignored his own input about the readiness of his knee, though it was a nice try.
DL has acquired good healthy forwards though, I won’t argue that. They run into trouble when they change their competition and their ice time and want them to add physicality and change the priorities in their game, then sit around wondering why those forwards don’t score at the same rate they used to.
All this makes me think they couldn’t get anything worthwhile out of Semin. As desperate as they are for skill.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
The big difference I see is Murray vs Sutter and I don’t know if you can project what happened under Murray will happen under Sutter, even though they are similar.
Sutter seems to be better at communication, and less prone to (so far) making unreasonable complaints about players. Murray liked to call out players for their production, despite stuffing them on the bottom 6, consistently putting them in tough defensive situations, and with Westgarth/Hunter/Moreau types as linemates.
This is true. Maybe I should have a glimmer of hope. Sutter seems to like letting players play their own games.
The knock on Semin is that he takes some shifts off though. That’s the tradeoff for his scoring. I can imagine that would bring back the Volcanic Yelling Sutter in a big way.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Another worrisome thing — JP says Semin is being fed soft minutes and still isn’t carrying the second line. Offense is offense though. I suppose the main complaint is that it isn’t worth the $6.7MM price.
I wonder what his next contract will be like. With UFA season being nutty as it is, will he get the same?
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
so you’re saying he’d fit right in with the rest of our lineup?
by maxwellian_demon on Jan 11, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
The three games I have not watched this year...
@Chicago (2-0 Win)
vs Vancouver (4-1 Win)
vs Washington (5-2 Win)
I may need to stop watching Kings’ games for a bit
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
by TradedForAPick on Jan 11, 2012 11:36 AM PST reply actions
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