More Bernie on Darryl
by Quisp on Jan 4, 2012 2:06 PM PST
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MayorsManor.com - LA Kings Hockey Blog: Bernie Nicholls on 'terrible' Kings, coaching and love for Sutter
On Sutter as a coach now, versus when he coached Bernie - "I love Darryl. I had him in Chicago when he was a little younger - and you guys will see that side too. (Everybody laughed quite a bit) One thing I've always said about Darryl, he wears his heart on his sleeve. When you get him around the rink and it's hockey time, he's as intense as anybody...He has one thing in mind and it's to win and work hard. That's what I love about him and that's what these guys love about him. I talked to these guys today and everybody, man to man, they love what he's all about. How can you not like somebody that's passionate about the game?"
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And it passion that this room needs.
A day off this week…imagine; struggling, coaching change on a road trip with little chance to practice, a bad, bad, bad, bad power play that needs to reorganize and what…an extra day off?
Fix the power play now, take time off later. Go 20-22% on the PP and suddenly LA goes from good to great.
So far I am happier with Sutter then I though possible. An outside the box Nicholls to help the PP and consult is smart (Jamie will only get better).
When Miller and Fox interviewed Nichols last month it was clear he struggles being away from the game…
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
^^^ T H I S ^^^
i’ll cross my fingers for extra measure…
When the kick out your front door how you gonna come? With your hands above your head or on the trigger of your gun?
God I love Bernie. I hope he stays. Although I loved both Tony Granato and Tomas Sandstrom I still think that trade brought about an awful curse that resulted in things like the stick incident and Dan Cloutier.
PS I just realized that Alec Martinez is second amongst defensemen in the NHL in Corsi Rel. More importantly look at the link and observe how no one else on that list is a commonly scratched player.
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Is corsi rel a measure of how much of a step back a player took?
by BobKnob on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
PS I just realized that Alec Martinez is second amongst defensemen in the NHL in Corsi Rel. More importantly look at the link and observe how no one else on that list is a commonly scratched player.
You should also observe how his CORSI QoC is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier than everyone else’s.
yeah that’s definitely true and worth considering but I mean he has been as successful as one can possibly be in this regard (corsi) given his qoc. I think maybe I would try giving him some tougher assignments and see how he faired rather than benching him. but again that’s just me.
The Kings have never given him tougher assignments, but all other stats make you think he’s ready for more. At the very least, there are more positive signs than JJ.
You can never say until they try it for a couple games; but they really ought to at least try it once.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
sorry for the compulsive posting in this thread but these links are pretty on topic and are interesting reads whether or not your interested in nerd stats
-http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/3/29/1374964/groupthink-confirmation-bias
-http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/3/28/1394052/this-shows-how-stupid-the-corsi
-http://vhockey.blogspot.com/2010/01/likelihood-and-way-humans-think.html
It should be noted that posting stats doesn’t make you immune from confirmation bias. People cherry pick stats to support their arguments all the time instead of letting the stats speak for themselves. Also, imo you put entirely too much value on things that are abstractions, where significant loss of data occurs, and I have yet to see someone post how far out of line someones numbers were to the norm. The brain is very good at doing things computers and data can’t, like decipher how well someone is playing hockey. Also, raw numbers by themselves don’t tell the story well because there is no context for how much normal variation occurs.
To me, a lot of what gets passed off as stats is not much better than the random stat tidbits u hear at a baseball game (Mickey overpaid fatass ballscratcher is on a 50 game hit streak when he bangs two chicks at the same time the night before during a full moon and snorts coke off his catchers belly button between innings). Ok, I’m ovrrexaggerating and trying to be funny, but you get the general idea.
Btw this is coming from someone who is actively working on scraping the NHL website for stats to put in a reporting DB.
by BobKnob on Jan 5, 2012 3:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not picking you out specifically btw, but a lot of people are mystified when someone posts some compelling stat when some cherrypicked event occurs. Usually that event is picked to give them favorable data to support their preconceived notions.
by BobKnob on Jan 5, 2012 3:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well, I don’t know about hockey stat nerds. But I did read some of Bill James’ stuff years ago, and a baseball blog that I still read used to have a lot of commenters who were interested in sabremetrics and at least sounded like they understood the ins and outs better than me.
It seems to me that the main philosophical thrust behind sabremetrics is to question conventional wisdom (and then to question the questioning of conventional wisdom) by seeing if analyzing the stats and doing the math bear out what most everyone else takes for granted. I’m not arguing that there’s absolutely no confirmation bias at work there, but there’s also a lot of honest inquiry as to whether there’s any objective basis for believing a thing to be true. I think it’s too cynical to assume that all, or even most, of the stuff that Rick is talking about should be disregarded because of confirmation bias. To me, that’s barely a step above the way sabremetrics used be dismissed by old-timers who said, “You can’t manage a ball club with computers.”
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
also the 4th worst On-Ice Team Save Percentage which is why he has been sent to the doghouse.
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Last game He showed why Voynov is playing
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
by USHA#17 on Jan 5, 2012 12:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
They’re never gonna sit Greene for Martinez
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
i obviously know that. I’m also not trying to convince the la kings organization by blog commenting about it. I’m also not even trying to convince those of you that have no interest in fancy boy nerd stats, i’m just presenting it for the 2 or 3 of you that like to look at this stuff. those of you that don’t like to look at this stuff need not reinforce your distaste everytime i post something that contains the words “corsi” or “fenwick”.
They’re never gonna sit Greene for Martinez
i obviously know that.
One interesting little tidbit regarding my own personal "Martinez should be in the line-up over Matt Greene" quest. Alec Martinez went +6 in fenwick and +4 in Corsi. Willie Mitchell = +3 and 0. Why does Martinez have better numbers? Well Mitchell played 15.3 es minutes, Martinez 13.4. Who did Mitchell play with for those 2 minutes without Martinez? Matt Greene. It’s not definitive evidence of anything since there is a lot of variance involved here but given Martinez’ consistently awesome puck possession numbers it is worth noting.
i mean that I know that the organization is never going to actually do it….i just like advocating it.
Stat on how many creases Martinez has cleared?
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
by Nut on Jan 6, 2012 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
Me too. I missed Bernie’s Legends Night, but I remember him being interviewed at a home game last season, and it just seemed… weird, somehow… that he was there as a spectator, and not as a member of the Kings organization. Just not right.
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
“The reality is that if you had a definitive formula for this, the decisions would be easy,” said Los Angeles Kings GM Dean Lombardi, when I called to ask him about Simon Gagne, a player on the overpaid list.
And Lombardi pointed out another factor when it comes to judging free agents.
“If you’re doing straight value analysis you have to consider — when did you get him? You automatically have to put a 30 percent inflation with a guy you get without giving up an asset,” he said. “If you didn’t give up an asset, it’s really not indicative of comparing him to a Group 2 free agent. Again, these things have a lot of holes.”
When I asked if the Kings had a statistical analyst on staff, that’s where the conversation ended. He wasn’t giving up trade secrets.
theannoyingpeasant.com
I understand what Dean is saying here, and I would add that it’s somewhat misleading to look at “overpaid” free agents without considering circumstances at the time of the signing, e.g.: Based on past performance, did it look like an overpayment at the time? How badly did you need to fill that roster spot with someone with that skill set, and who else was available on the market? Did this contract prevent you from making other necessary moves because of $ cost or cap space cost? And so on.
There are signings that seemed like a not-so-good idea at the time (Bryzgalov) and signings that seemed like a reasonable chance to take at the time (I would argue that Gagne falls into this category).
"I think you just outed yourself as Dean Lombardi. I knew it all along." — Rudy Kelly
Off topic...
Isn’t it time for a points blown chart?
Ugg! Too depressing right now.
Give them a few more games then let’s see the news…so far the good news is the mediocrity that is the Pacific.
Without the crazy seeding method the Kings would sit in 9th behind Dallas (holds 2 games in hand) and just a point behind San Jose which holds a whooping 4 games in hand.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
I was facinated hearing the stories about Bernie during his Legends Night, which I unfortunately couldn’t attend but got to watch at home. The story about him sleeping with his stick is priceless.
My buddy had a great story about him too. He went to a Kings game as a kid. Bernie threw him a puck during warm-ups the night he scored four goals. Been his favorite player since, lol.
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