"Nearly everyone in the hockey world" believes Rick Nash will be a King?
by Quisp on Feb 16, 2012 4:09 PM PST
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Rick Nash to the Kings? Nearly everyone in the hockey world believes it will happen. And why wouldn’t they?
I'm just impressed that Lisa Dillman has access to all those people.
[...] Indeed, talks have occurred this week between the Kings and Blue Jackets regarding what it will take to acquire the dynamic right wing.
One thing I don't like about the way journalists repackage the work of other journalists or (gasp) bloggers is that it's almost impossible to tell for sure when a reporter is actually reporting something. I can't tell whether "talks have occurred this week" is something this reporter learned first hand, or from a source, or whether it's just something she read somewhere. This isn't a knock on the reporter. In "the old days" you just took it for granted that when a reporter reported a factual statement like "talks have occurred this week" that the reporter has reliable first-hand evidence of it. Now, though, I just assume the opposite.
Although deals this complex don’t happen in the space of a few hours, or keystrokes, the Kings possess the assets to make it come to fruition: a promising goalie, a wealth of defensemen, and youth. It adds up to an intriguing mix that GM Scott Howson can sell to his disgruntled fan base in Columbus.
I don't see how he's going to sell "I just traded the franchise for a handful of magic beans" to the disgruntled fan base. Not to mention the fact that the Kings can't just take on $8MM in cap hit without sending several million dollars to Columbus.
And speaking of disgruntled.... The seemingly endless goodwill and patience of Kings’ fans vaporized with the arrival of their mail the other day, which brought the announcement of a significant season-seat price increase. Their frustration and anger was nicely summarized by Times colleague Helene Elliott.
I thought it was funny that the season ticket holders were upset that their prices were going up at a time when the on-ice product is lacking (my paraphrase), as if the team weren't in 7th place, a few points out of 4th (yes, and 12th), and on course for one of its top point totals in franchise history. Yeah, I know, "30th in the league in scoring", but you would think they were hiking the prices while competing for 1st pick overall.
Which comes back to Nash. Very rarely do hockey trades work on an organizational (hockey department) level and marketing level. This accomplishes both and would quell the outrage about the price increase. Nash to Los Angeles is the marquee move that Kings’ president and GM Dean Lombardi tried to pull off, first with Ilya Kovalchuk and, more recently, last summer with Brad Richards, who ended up with the New York Rangers. Did we mention Lombardi’s boss, AEG’s Tim Leiweke, likes headline-making moves? OK, check that. Loves them. Keeping David Beckham in L.A. and bringing a bona fide star to the Kings, all in all, would not be a bad couple of months of work for Leiweke.
I thought that's what the Mike Richards trade was.
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I thought it was funny that the season ticket holders were upset that their prices were going up at a time when the on-ice product is lacking (my paraphrase), as if the team weren’t in 7th place, a few points out of 4th (yes, and 12th), and on course for one of its top point totals in franchise history. Yeah, I know, “30th in the league in scoring”, but you would think they were hiking the prices while competing for 1st pick overall.
The lesson, of course, is that Kings fans are terrible and don’t deserve good things.
It never ceases to amaze me how a Times “journalist” can express outrage at the Kings raising season ticket prices. Lisa has never paid for a ticket in her life, so why should she be upset? Surely she doesn’t presume to tell me what to feel? Whatever outrage I have or don’t have is between me and my ticket rep.
Whatever outrage I have or don’t have is between me and my ticket rep.
Not if my constitutional amendment has anything to say about this; your outrage or lack thereof offends my deeply held religious beliefs in public rage and populism.
“First they came for the Season Ticket holders…”
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 16, 2012 6:00 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
"Nearly everyone in the hockey world" perhaps...
but not me. Nash? No thanks – I’ll wait for Parise.
Sigh.
Well, it’s not in any way a good contract now. They’ll just have to hope the cap rises astronomically over time, because Nash’s goal-scoring is not likely to go up with it.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Neil Greenberg @ngreenberg
Last tweet on Nash: In NHL history, one winger has 70+ pts (which I think reasonable for $7.8mil/yr) each season from ages 28-33: Gordie Howe.
Yay optimism
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Ahhh man
bleh … I came here to hide … everywhere I went (TSN / THN / NHL) everyone was saying Nash or Carter to LA … please, please make this not be true … I came to JFTC for respite … my browser opened …
(sad face IRL here)
God I hope this doesn’t happen. Carters contract is an absolute albatross. I worry Nash’s ask is just too much.
I will say this in Nash’s defense, he has really never had the support to show his true value.
I guess I could get behind it in Bizarro Multiverse where they take JB, Gags and, Penner.
I keep trying to reconcile myself to it. The best I can come up with is I hope the final deal won’t make me vomit as much as the Kopitar for Nash or Brown for Nash ideas.
Seriously, they had better not subtract any useful forwards.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
we each have our own custom list of untouchables
mine starts with loktionov, voynov and toffoli. Obviously, Lombardi isn’t trading Kopitar for Nash or Carter. Kopi, Richards, Williams, Brown, Doughty, Scuderi, Mitchell, Quick…those guys aren’t going anywhere. I personally don’t have too much of a problem dealing Brown under the right circumstances, but I don’t think it makes a lot of sense to trade a 25 goal scorer to get a 30 goal scorer at twice the price…as many have pointed out. Bernier and Johnson (and Martinez and Hickey) are obviously vulnerable and therefore easy names to mention in the context of any trade rumor.
In other words, Nash for Penner and Stoll? Suuuuure. Nash for Johnson, Bernier, Loktionov, Hickey and a 1st? No way.
what concerns me is
the stuff about Leiweke. I don’t trust that guy whatsoever…. and if you parlay him and his ‘star stuff’ with the fact that DL is treading on quite warm water which could soon become hot (phoenix playing really well, the ducks scalding, kings on lukewarm, if that) – he might do any sort of untoward thing and make an idiotic trade.
I mean, Penner for essentially two firsts and a third doesn’t shine of smarts, thoughtfulness and good preparation and homework done.
Also, while reading the logic about Brown who earns half that money for a guy who scored 5 more goals say ‘no way would he do that’….. I do believe he wouldn’t do it. But I’m just not totally convinced is all. If this deal goes down Quisp, be prepared as I’d have to believe that someone’s gonna be in it that you’ll be sad to see go.
But that’s pure speculation and I hope I’m wrong. It’s rare that I can remember so many people praying that a deal wouldn’t go down for a rather good hockey player.
My buddy had a great joke. Instead of Bernie Nicholls, the Kings should hire Jari Kurri as a consultant so he can teach the Kings a little Finnish, lol.
Has Penner played his last game in a Kings uniform? Even if the Nash or Carter deal doesn’t happen, is there any team that would even take him? I was in the camp that was kind of pulling for him but when the only time you get cheers is when your name is announced on the players scratched list, you know it’s bad. Nolan and Jordan aren’t going to solve the Kings scoring woes in the short term, but at the very least the play hard and are getting some valuable NHL experience.
I agree with your list too
I want a protective shield around Voynov and cannot endure shipping out forwards. That’s why I’m afraid of the whole thing. The asset price could be costlier than his absurd cap hit.
We cannot lose even forward prospects. Look how much they’ll still need depth scoring on the cheap. Free agency where run of the mill wingers get $4.5M (Gagne was cheap precisely because of the risk) is not going to help once you’ve sunk all that money into the top line.
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again
What worries me is ghosts of Dave Taylor past.
As you know, DL gave the players a verbal lashing when he had to fire TM (like the hire in the first place had nothing to do with him(?)…. and if he’s at all in ‘reactive mode’ he could do something that’s the antithesis of what he was doing in the days when he paid careful attention to the team’s cap.
And again I repeat; had just a wee bit more attention been paid to drafting the odd forward beyond Moller, Clifford and Simmer in the early rounds (especially given how many picks he had), he just might have unearthed one friggin player with a scoring touch and this whole Nash thing, while not being rendered moot, would be at least far more ‘moot’.
Or even better...
Vancouver.
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 16, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Off topic. Trying to cheer myself up. An arena deal might happen in Seattle. So, if Phoenix relocates, at least it’s in a good time zone for the Kings
I thought it was a little weird that there were so many “But there’s no building” articles earlier in the month, because it was widespread local knowledge that the city was about to announce something about that patch of ground in SoDo.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
That's great news for the Emerald City.
However it’s my understanding that there is no way a team could play in the Key Arena while the new building is being constructed, right?
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 16, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
It wouldn’t be a great temporary home to be sure, but it’s the best option of all. The Tbirds used to play there, but Rudy’s right that they’d have to do some construction to make hockey work there again. But it’s still bigger than some of the other arenas I’ve seen people mention. The Tbirds arena in Kent and the Silvertips arena in Everett seat far fewer people and are far from downtown. I also don’t see Tacoma Dome working at all.
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It also sucks because they never deserved to have the Sonics stolen in the first place. I remember that election, it was a complete boondoggle. They made the arena proposal as unpalatable as they could. They always wanted to take the team and run.
Now they’d have to steal the Sacramento Kings or it wouldn’t go through. I’m pretty sure the NHL is on board.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
The Key seats like 10,000 for hockey.
Plus, there is no broadcast booth. It was designed as basketball only and since the NBA does all their timekeeping/broadcasting courtside, it’s a big clusterfuck getting an NHL game going. It’s about the worst arena in the world. It needs to go th way of th Kingdome.
You’re almost (and I say almost with sarcasm) better off going to the Comcast Arena in Everett where the Silvertips play. Still, I adore the idea of the NHL in Seattle. That gives me at least two more Kings games I can go see that would be eminently more affordable than Canucks tix.
by 88fingerslukee on Feb 16, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe. Everett seats like what 8,500? I wish that remodeling hadn’t happened. But key words being temporary.
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Maybe if they didn’t want to spend any money to remodel — at least Everett has clear sightlines.
Looking at the attendance reports Phoenix pulls in 11,829. Not sure how many discounted seats are bumping any numbers. I don’t know enough about Phoenix.
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Right.
The sightlines are the only reason I mentioned Comcast.
by 88fingerslukee on Feb 16, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
So ...
If you get a team do you get to raise a Stanley Cup Champion Banner into the rafters?
Change the name of the team to Seattle Metropolitans?
"And in net, number 39, DAAAAAAN CLOOOOUTIER"
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by TradedForAPick on Feb 16, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
so much win.
just so awesome. master shake makes everything better.
FWIW, I agree with Quisp at this point that talk of a Nash trade is just talk, and Dillman’s take is self-serving speculation. I try to tune out the Internet rumor mill because the signal-to-noise ratio is just too low, and it’s waste of my time and energy.
The only reason for concern right now is that Hammond is not treating the Nash talk with dismissive sarcasm. His take is that if Howson wants a goalie in return, then the Kings will discuss it; otherwise, it’s not happening. But that’s a long way from saying what Dillman’s saying.
"I see my life flashing before my eyes... and it's boring!." — Gumball Watterson
The Kings are the only team on the approved list desperate to add scoring. AEG could make them be impulsive. Unless they know the cap is leaping up I am getting nervous.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
there's been talk of an amnesty clause
similar to what the NBA did. So even if the cap does go down, the Kings will still have a chance to cut their payroll
by bucknellbruin on Feb 16, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
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