Woah: "team executives" say Jack Johnson is "in play"
It's one thing for me to say it makes sense for it to be so, but another for ESPN to quote Kings executives [added:] around the league saying it's so.
[UPDATE: I agree with the commenters that LuBrun appears to be talking about execs from other teams, not Kings' execs.]
Daily Debate: Trade floodgates open - Cross Checks Blog - LeBrun - ESPN
[LEBRUN:] And of course the biggest name of all, when it comes to defensemen on the trade market, is Jack Johnson in Los Angeles. I had a few team executives this week tell me he’s in play but only for the type of deal that hands the Kings the top-line forward they’ve been craving. Shut out 1-0 at home by Phoenix Thursday night, I have to imagine Kings GM Dean Lombardi will be even more determined in his efforts to land Rick Nash. Jeff Carter and Ales Hemsky are other possibilities. The Kings can’t score and must make the playoffs. Lots of pressure there.
Burnside: As you know, I wasn’t a fan of the Darryl Sutter hire when Lombardi dismissed Terry Murray and the team has continued to struggle offensively after a spasm of productivity and not surprisingly slowly slid down the standings. That’s what happens when you’re dead last in goals scored per game and 22nd on the power play. There is more than a little impatience in Los Angeles with the Kings’ plans for building a contender. The fans have been surprisingly understanding, but if the Kings miss the playoffs, that would be a monster blow for the franchise and I have to assume one that would signal dramatic change from the top on down. [...]
I must admit I still don’t get the willingness to part with Johnson for some of the reasons outlined above. No matter how much you need offense, it’s nigh on impossible to replace a young, puck-moving defenseman the likes of Johnson.
Drew Doughty, Alec Martinez, Slava Voynov, Nicolas Deslauriers, Thomas Hickey. Only three of those guys can, today, do what Johnson does. And/but all but one of them are better defensively.
I guess it’s a case of high risk, high reward for Lombardi. Either way, the Kings will be a team to keep an eye on in the coming days.
Also, as the brilliant Rudy Kelly pointed out, the idea of University of Michigan die-hard Johnson getting traded to Ohio State is nothing short of hilarious.
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I had a few team executives this week tell me he’s in play
Maybe it’s because it was late last night but I initially read that as “executives around the league”; not that there’s much difference.
If I were at the helm I’d trade D for forwards; but I can’t help but think of Johnson’s real feelings. I don’t think it’s funny, just because he’s a good guy through and through. More of a bummer.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
I read it the same way, that it was team executives from around the league.
I hope they take a picture of Jack Johnson’s face right when they tell him he’s been traded.
I’ve been advocating a trade and now I feel like dirt. He has such a solid character. When he was offered a scholarship at Michigan at age 15 he committed. He made sure he didn’t leave them or Red Berenson in the lurch midseason, though he had money and instant NHL graduation and power play time dangled in his face. He promised he would complete his degree and he is.
Yeah. I feel like dirt.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Contract
Don’t forget while the golden boy was at his moms house having his “agent” make the BEST deal for HIM … JJ made a deal rep’n himself that he felt was fair.
I hope we don’t burn him because the guy has character and did the “right thing”.
Though to be fair agents don’t get NTCs out of Lombardi either. It’s just, like the Lubo situation. Sigh.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
My point
My point is it’s outside of my value system to punishpeople who go into something with the right intentions.
/shrug, I’m old … I don’t look at the guy who gets fucked and say “haha you got fucked, should have hired a lawer, shame on you!”
Agree entirely
Was not trying to suggest that at all. Just that GMs often say things in negotiations to get a player to make tradeoffs that benefit the team, which are not always rewarded.
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by Niesy on Feb 17, 2012 1:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
of course we have to trade Johnson
Who in their right mind would take a forward? Absent Kopi, of course. I don’t think even McDonalds would offer Penner a job. He couldn’t find the net if his mother’s hair was in it! Sure there are some good, hardworking players up front, but they lack inspiration and leadership. Hey Brownie! Time to move on. You are never going to be a Darryl Sittler, or a Gui LaFleur. You are just too mundane. Go and bore the fans on the East Coast. At least it might take their minds off the crappy weather
Technically, most of our team is in play, right?
JJ more so than others, but our untouchable list is only going to get shorter if we continue to struggle.
UCLA/Kings fan, or masochist? What's the difference?
Hunter
Trent Hunter was placed on waivers this morning. Thank god.
What, no dancing?
I saw that and figured that folks would be excited.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
I’d be crushed if they traded JJ. Not just from a character standpoint, like Neisy mentioned, but also from LeBrun’s standpoint of a young, puck moving defenseman of JJ’s caliber. Surely he has flaws but I think a lot of people will argue he hasn’t reached his ceiling. I’d hate to see it happen on another team.
I keep hearing the Rangers and Kings are the front runners for Nash. Gotta think Columbus is going to ask for one of the Rangers current players. If so, why would they do this? They are the number one team in their conference; would you risk breaking up the team chemistry for Nash?
Or how about screwing team chemistry by benching a goalie on a 3-game shutout streak. Stranger things have happened I guess.
by marlin987123 on Feb 17, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Wooooooooooooooooo!
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 17, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Sí
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 17, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
not surprised...
jj is the most realistic high-end trade commodity we have…
not that i would want him to go, but i understand why he would be a trade piece…something i’ve been saying for months now…
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also...
i’m not advocating this, but…i could see brown being moved at this point – for the right player in return…that would be a major shake up…and something that dl might be tempted to do, because of being forced to give up a high-level roster player in order to net a big fish in return…
dl has got himself into quite a mess…(unfortunately)…
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You’re right they might feel the need for a major shakeup. I don’t see how we survive without adding at least two top 6 forwards then, though.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
as we already know, we are not the only team out there bidding for all the big names supposedly in the offing…as we get closer to the deadline and as offers pile up from the serious teams wanting a significant upgrade, the price will go up…
although the kings are in desperate need for an offensive infusion, you can’t run the risk of giving up bernier without the upcoming quick contract talks being more clearly defined…you would also need to make a parallel move for a veteran goalie if you decide to move jb…the whole goalie situation is like turning keys to launch a missile – the timing has to be perfect…
that’s why including brown and jj makes more sense than anything else if you go after nash…
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We could be outbid, I totally see your point. They just have such little depth. If we were overflowing with quality scoring wingers Brown’s loss wouldn’t offset Nash’s impact so much, you know? Rather deal defensemen.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
+ / -
We need forwards.
We have defense.
We have goaltenders.
Trading Brown, or even Williams for that matter, would just be creating deficit to fill deficit.
Move defense and/or goalies.
i’m not sure how great of a hole brown would leave on our offense in the long run…i know it seems like it would initially because of all the problems we have scoring…
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Nash
When I looked yesterday he had the same numbers as Nash for half the cap hit.
CCP from an earlier post
Currently Brown is 3rd in points on the team, with a cap hit of $3,175,000.
Nash’s numbers are inline with Brown’s numbers. Nash’s salary is more than twice that of Brown’s.
Couple Brown’s cap hit, his leadership (my favorite kind, by actions), his work ethics and the intangibles … the guy is just too valueable to move.
If we ever have too many 20 goal scorers I might cry.
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by Niesy on Feb 17, 2012 1:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
well, that’s what we thought going into this season – that we would have a many 20 goal scorers at year’s end…
i had parse and gagne with at least 20…along with kopi, stoll, brown and jw…that would have been narnia for many of us…
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Do you have any idea how many goals Peggi has
You know….. Peggi. Peggi!! The guy from USA Prime Credit. He scored a wicked one the other night on tv.
i think that peggi’s only goal is to get lucky with more commercials and an extended run with a joke premise that’s getting tired…
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Brilliant….. maybe they can do the next one with PA Parenteau (since he’s got people thinking) and Peggi will have a bit of a freak out and say ’who the hell are you…. you say you my parents"?
Yikes, maybe I should leave the writing to you?
Hall Gill to the Preds. Stabilizes their kiddos on D.
It’s weird that Nashville is so very horrible at possession this year; they were so much better last year. But they have great shooting luck. Oh to be fortunate.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
here's a daring idea....
kings get…:
jason spezza $7mil, ufa in 2015-16
jared cowen $1.265, ufa in 2014-15
ottawa get…:
jack johnson $4.357, ufa in 2018
dustin brown $3.175 ufa in 2014-15
i know it seems like a reach, but if alfie is going to retire at year’s end, maybe they’d be willing to take brown’s skill and leadership in return along with jj…and we save a few hundred thousand in the process…and ottawa has tons ‘o’ cap room…
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hehe…
it was just a thought…
perhaps we throw in another d-men/prospect in there…
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hehe…
i know, i know…well, he can now hire his bro if he wants to, so…y’knowwww….
we add a third piece to the deal and it wouldn’t be totally crazy…but, i know – it’s a lil’ crazy…(!)
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on the other hand, terry murray's first coaching job was replacing his fired brother, so maybe they take the "it's not personal" approach
stranger things have happened…
make the third piece in the aforementioned offer their choice of either martin jones, thomas hickey, trevor lewis or kyle clifford…
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from ottawa’s perspective or just in general…?
i wouldn’t…so, it’s hard for me to think of those scenarios realistically…
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He's trying to put you in Ottawa's shoes
Kopitar = Spezz
Voynov = Cowen
Now, considering you were offering up Kopi and Slava, who would you expect in return?
Probably like a billion first rounders I would think.
by 88fingerslukee on Feb 17, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
and here's an interesting blurb from tsn...
“Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff told Tim Campebell of the Winnipeg Free Press Thursday that no player on his roster is being held on a “pedestal,” and there are no untouchable players.
Cheveldayoff added that he won’t be involved in any ‘rental-player’ deals, where he might acquire a player whose contract runs out at the end of this season. "
hmmm….evander kane, anyone…???
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my only post for this afternoon
promised you I wouldn’t write, but it’s pretty crazy out there in blog land isn’t it?
I've said it before, I'll say it again…
Doughty for Kane, straight up.
PA Parenteau? The 28 year old forward who’s career high is 20 goals scored in a season Parenteau?
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 17, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
I sort of feel like I’m running a fever. Can you get trade deadline flu?
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by Niesy on Feb 17, 2012 1:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Off topic here, but I had a comment about last night's game but couldn't get online til now
I can’t believe that the Hanzal hit on Richards wasn’t a suspension or at least a fine. My main complaint with the league (and all pro sports really) is that they base their suspensions largely on injuries that occur. This, in my opinion, is just plain stupid because many times whether a play results in injury or not is purely luck. A totally clean hit can hurt a guy or a dirty hit can have the guy get right back up. I feel like the league should get an independent party to review the plays and when they send them the video of them, leave out the aftermath of if the guy is hurt or dazed or gets up and is fine. Let the suspension be based on the play and intent and not simply the result.
The biggest reason for all the inconsistent rulings is simply that two identical hits can be ruled dirty or clean based on the presence of an injury. Dirty hits should be suspended regardless of the result and it frustrates me to watch the league simply take the easy way out and lead to more confusion by relying on the aftermath of plays rather than the actual play for determining suspensions and fines.
I agree, that hit was bullshit, as was Hanzal’s interference on Kopitar on the PP they scored on (not on the goal, just before)
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
I have this theory
That if rabid fanbases immediately put it up on Youtube and get the heat going, blogs pick it up, and then the league is more likely to look at it. The Kings should have kicked up more of a fuss.
I like Hanzal but he gets too elbowy at times — a 6’6" guy needs to watch himself — and he’s clearly getting away with it.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
It's time we face the facts, the Kings are going to miss the playoffs this season.
Lombardi can make a big trade but how often does that work? Rarely does a player come onto a mediocre team (and there is no question that the 2011-12 Los Angeles Kings are a mediocre team, at best) and make any kind of major impact. I honestly can’t think of a single time it’s happened. Usually, the big trades around the deadline involve the contenders and sometimes that does put them over the top (Rob Blake to the Avalanche in 2001, for instance). But the Kings aren’t contenders anymore. They are a middle of the pack team fighting to tread water at the very bottom of the playoff pack. If they go after Rick Nash, is he even going to gel with his new teammates in time to turn this ship around? Doubtful.
Lombardi has already used the nuclear bomb of GM tactics. He fired Terry Murray and made a huge mistake when he brought in Murray clone Darryl Sutter as his replacement. He can’t fire Sutter too. Firing Murray seemed to work for a little while as the Kings were 13-12-4 at that point and the losers of four consecutive games in regulation, but proceeded to go 10-3-5 over the next 18 games (ending with January 17’s shootout win over the Canucks). But since then they are a pretty bad 4-5-2. And let’s face it, even their 10-3-5 record early on wasn’t that great; they still lost 8 of those games, it just happened that two of them were in overtime (one to the lowly Oilers) and three in shootouts. Even their 10 wins weren’t all that impressive since 3 of them were in shootouts (so if we went by old-time records they were a spectacular 7-5-6).
Sure, they were getting points, but did they ever for a second look like a playoff team? Well, to be fair, for 60 minutes they looked like a playoff team on New Year’s Eve when they pounded the Canucks, but other than that they have been ordinary. In fact they preceeded that game by being shut out in Winnipeg and followed it up with a shootout loss to Colorado (that to be even more fair, they should have won had the refs not cheated them, but still…).
The Kings have not won 3 consecutive games under Sutter!!
Since Sutter took over behind the bench, the Kings have won 2 consecutive games only twice. I’m still having trouble wrapping my head around this one. But seriously, since the Kings fired Murray the only 2-game winning streaks they have had were a pair of shootout victories over Toronto and Anaheim on Dec. 19 & 22 (doesn’t count for Sutter because Stevens was coach during the Toronto game), victories over Phoenix and Chicago on Dec. 26 & 28, and wins over Ottawa and St. Louis sandwiching the All-Star Break.
They’ve had 3 2-game losing streaks under Sutter, but have yet to lose a 3rd in a row.
Holy S#@!
There is nothing left that I can see. A trade isn’t likely to work out. Can’t fire a second coach. The Quacks and Flames have both been coming on strong of late and the Kings’ hold on 8th is looking more precarious every day.
I came into this season more excited than I’ve ever been about the Kings, or at least since ‘93 when they were coming off the trip to the Finals. And now I’m about as pessimistic about this particular group as ever before.
Edit...
It’s time we face the facts, the Kings are going to miss the playoffs this season.
A trade isn’t likely to work out. Can’t fire a second coach. The Quacks and Flames have both been coming on strong of late and the Kings’ hold on 8th is looking more precarious every day.
I came into this season more excited than I’ve ever been about the Kings, or at least since ‘93 when they were coming off the trip to the Finals. And now I’m about as pessimistic about this particular group as ever before.
Fixed for length.
The Quacks and Flames have both been coming on strong of late and the Kings’ hold on 8th is looking more precarious every day.
Whose position from 6-12 in the West isn’t “precarious”?
The Ducks are like New Jersey making a run last year. They’re on a win streak but it would take almost no losses to make it and all others would have to falter.
The Flames have been coming on strong at the same time the Blackhawks have been slumping (nine losses in their last ten). It’s not throw in the towel time. Despite everything, they’re still in it. It’s a down to the wire race just like every year.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
I agree
This team is a complete embarrassment. I’m sick and tired of all the excuses. Get rid of Penner, and DiLombardi: they are both stupid deadweights. And Sutter isn’t the solution; he’s much of the problem. Why does he continue to give ice time to players who couldn’t score a goal if their mothers were held hostage. I’m going to hold my nose and follow the Ducks for the rest of the season. At least they play with pride.
At least part of the reason Murray was fired and Sutter hired was the offense, right?
Under Murray they were shut out only twice in 29 games. They were shut out once under Stevens. Now they have already been shut out 4 times in 25 games under Sutter.
Wow.
In 29 games under Murray they scored 1 goal or fewer 9 times (including games they won 2-1 in shootouts). (2-6-1 record)
In 25 games under Sutter they have scored 1 goal or fewer 13 times!!! (1-6-6 record)
Darryl Sutter is getting even less out of these players than Terry Murray did! They even won a larger percentage of the games where they got 1 or fewer under Murray.
How about 2 goals or fewer?
Murray- 21 times with 2 or fewer
Sutter- 16 times with 2 or fewer
3 or more?
Murray- 8 times (8-0-0)
Sutter- 9 times (8-0-1)
Oh, and by the way I’m not suggesting that Murray should not have been fired.
Far from it.
I wanted Murray fired after the embarrassing playoff series loss to San Jose last season.
I am simply saying that hiring a Murray clone who preaches “defense first, defense only” was a HUGE monumental mistake.
There are lots of things I might call Sutter (including defense oriented), but none of them would be a Murray clone.
You can pick various numbers and say what you will, but we’re getting better performances out of most guys, Richards notwithstanding, since the coaching change. Much better play in the slot. Slightly fewer dump ins. PP seems to have picked up slightly. Generally speaking, the lines have made a lot more sense. Players that haven’t pulled their weight are benched, demoted or cut.
At the end of the day though, it doesn’t matter who’s coaching. You can’t teach speed; you can only draft or trade for it, and that’s just not Dean’s thing.
I dont understand
You can’t teach speed; you can only draft or trade for it, and that’s just not Dean’s thing.
I’ve been saying it for more than two years. Clearly other people here see it. So why exactly is it that someone who does this as their life’s work doesn’t understand it. Speed is not a nice thing to complement a team in the nhl today…. it’s obligatory. You will not likely find a Stanley Cup winner that doesn’t have speed. Chicago (check), Detroit (check), Boston (certainly more than the Kings though slowest of the bunch though they don’t plod), Pittsburgh (check) and then other really good teams like Vancouver and San Jose and the Rangers. All have speed.
So to your point…….. no it doesn’t matter who is coaching.
Brad Richardson
Is fast… How’s that working out?
My point is that it’s not just about speed.
Chemistry, hands, systems, et al.
When the kick out your front door how you gonna come? With your hands above your head or on the trigger of your gun?
by Jack-Handy on Feb 18, 2012 9:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Kings need better shooters, but the argument was that they weren’t fast.
Hopefully they add more scoring to the bottom 6 at least, but in the meantime, fast and pressure-generating guys like Richardson are much more useful than the likes of Moreau and Hunter.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
No argument here... Completely agree
I never understood those signings from day 1.
When the kick out your front door how you gonna come? With your hands above your head or on the trigger of your gun?
by Jack-Handy on Feb 18, 2012 10:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think we have plenty of fast forwards but we just don’t play a speed game which I think some don’t convey clearly.
I actually think Penner would thrive under such a system. Once he gets going he’s pretty fast, but it takes a lot of his energy to get going. He’s pretty much only good for a couple of take offs and then he’s toast for the shift.
You’re delusional if you think this team or the players on it are appreciably better under Sutter than Murray.
It would be impossible to watch two taped games, one with Murray as coach and one with Sutter, and distinguish any difference in the Kings under them.
It would be impossible to watch two taped games, one with Murray as coach and one with Sutter, and distinguish any difference in the Kings under them.
I disagree, but I don’t amount to shit. Bob Miller, on the other hand…start at the 16:04 mark and give it 90 seconds.
I don’t buy it. I love Bob but I think he’s been drinking the Kool-Aid. The Kings’ forwards aren’t all just in slumps right now; there is something fundamentally wrong with their system. If this was a passing phase or the first time it had happened I might agree, but it’s been going on all season and we have seen the Kings go through it a few times during Lombardi’s reign where they just can’t score.
Also, I don’t believe any NHL coach has ever implemented a system where he said, “If you could get that puck, but you’d have to fight for it, go ahead and let the other team have it and we’ll just stop them on defense.” Sorry, Bob, but every NHL coach wants his team winning 50-50 battles.
System, take 2
The Kings’ forwards aren’t all just in slumps right now; there is something fundamentally wrong with their system.
this +1
I've been saying it for months now
It’s about time they at least explored the possibility of moving him… And Burnside, that fool, might wanna watch the Kings sometime… We have more than most as far as puck moving defensemen go… So JMFJ is hardly irreplaceable…
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