Kings now "bridesmaids" at Nash Hootenanny? Oh no!
by Quisp on Feb 17, 2012 5:14 PM PST
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If James van Riemsdyk does hit the ice at Wells Fargo Center, it immediately puts back on line a deal that was rumored before the winger was sidelined a concussion that has caused him to miss 15 consecutive games. The Los Angeles Kings appear to be a bridesmaid again for the top prize in the market in Nash sweepstakes
Really? Well, that's kind of a relief. Or is it? I'm so confused.
and hold severe reservations about the contract and character of his teammate, Jeff Carter. As a result, Los Angeles' front office will have their collective eyes keenly peeled on van Riemsdyk's first game effort, whenever that return will be. The Flyers are not in need of the Kings' biggest bargaining chip in goaltender Jonathan Bernier, but the feeling now is they would accept Jack Johnson in exchange for the forward.
When in doubt trade for an injured player, or a Flyer, or better yet: an injured Flyer.
[...] Observers have doubts that Los Angeles, a team that many thought would win the Pacific Division, will even make the post season. "Is it time to hit the panic button? No, but management has to make a statement that the organization is serious about winning," a West Coast source said after last night's game. "You can't fight for a playoff spot down the stretch in the West with two rookies that have little speed on the second line with Mike Richards. If it takes moving Johnson for a skilled winger, the Kings are almost forced to do it at this point."
Just the fact that the Kings are "almost forced" to do it makes me hope they don't. Wouldn't it be great if the Kings made no deals at all, and then suddenly the offense came alive and Dustin Penner started scoring and they even won a round or two in the playoffs? Or if pigs could fly?
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I see that observers think big dramatic reckless moves with long term ramifications are better than possibly missing the playoffs one season.
Doin’ a little Don’t want Nash dance right now. Woo. :)
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
by Niesy on Feb 17, 2012 6:09 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
An Observer weighing in...
It’s frustrating watching the team struggle to score. But, if you watch what they are doing when they aren’t scoring, I think they are developing.
by kings4queens on Feb 17, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
If a trade meltdown didn’t happen it wouldn’t be the Los Angeles Kings, now would it?
For God’s sake, the team we saw last night is the real Kings. Live with it.
This year is a setback. No trade will fix it. Move past it. Lick your wounds, hope Lombardi doesn’t panic, do something stupid and explode the whole damn thing.
Fix it in the friggin’ offseason.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
by USHA#17 on Feb 18, 2012 8:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
it's okay....
if we don’t put our finger on the riemsdyk either…
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imagine the possibilities
the James Van Riemsdyk trio. It definitely has that sort of jazz trio ring to it.
So you’ve got Gagne (ex Philly concussion), JVR (ex Philly concussion) then all you need is one more ex Philly concussion…… Mike Richards doesn’t qualify….. and you’ve got a group.
I know my post is silly but that’s the point. This whole thing is silly. They might have almost as much chance of making the post season w/o a move as they would by making a move.
I haven’t really heard any of the bloggers who know the team and the league well become enamored of any rumored deals.
Most of the time I’m annoyed by him being a shitstirrer…but it’s a perfect attention grabbing move having NYR give up Gaborik and incredibly valuable young defensemen for Nash and have the Kings only give up Bernier to get Gaborik in a three team deal. Guaranteed a thousand comments of rage hate and alcoholism.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Gaborik?
Isn’t that the guy who ruined Frolov’s career in New York? The jerk who was too lazy to help Frolov blossom?
That whole Frolov fail thing is on Gaborik. And, does he show any remorse? No! I hate him, hate him. And now your wishing him on Kopitar? He makes me want to run out and burn a parking garage filled with Fiat Pandas!
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
What happened?
Sorry man, I just can’t quite tell where the line is between joking and serious in your post. Did something actually happen in NY? I don’t see how one player could ever be responsible for another player’s failure, let alone in that situation where Gaborik was out for 3-4 wks early last season with a (shoulder?) injury, and then Frolov’s ACL injury finished his season in January.
If we're doing TFP rumors we may as well go Barry-fishing
Trust this Nash business to kick up the Gaborik rumors again! He’s only $7.5 for two more years instead of six and his actual salary doesn’t skyrocket over $8M like good old Mr Bluejacket at the end of it. $7.5 at that length is almost as high priced but not anchor-ey.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Interesting factoid!
If you search for Nash comments in SBN NHL blogs, absolutely nothing comes up. He is now worth his cap hit because he broke it all.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Who Says......
……the Kings “have to make the playoffs ?” The team is clearly flawed, and just making the playoffs and suffering another first round loss is not progress…..dump whatever we can (Penner, Stoll, Martinez) for draft picks, play out the year, can Dean & Darryl and bring in somebody new to try and light a fire under these guys….
by jkaflagg1 on Feb 17, 2012 8:47 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I would prefer it wasn’t Dean and Darryl and would like Tim to do an Extreme Makeover Kings Edition. These players for the most part have fallen victim to the system in place. Sure some of them have fallen off drastically, but at the same time guys have left and had success elsewhere. Time to bring in a new GM and coaching staff and let these guys be creative in the offensive zone and not fear being chewed out.
Your right....
Sometimes plans don’t work out. It could be said that LA was a “Penner away” from a decent offensive and a “Hunter/Moreau too close” to a three line club.
The Sutter hire clearly wasn’t a move to improve, it was a low risk effort to keep the boat on course, salvage moral and sneak in a few extra goals here and there. Sutter clearly has a good hockey mind but lacks both time and creativity. In a word, not dynamic.
The right person wasn’t to be had at the time. None of the names proposed on this blog seemed like the type of coach I would wish for long term. And, I doubt any would have accepted the Sutter deal…cheap enough to be considered a short term contract.
For the most part I like the current team. Release a couple of players, do some off season tweaking of the front and add a dynamic coach/staff. We have most of the material, contracts and structure in place to have a damn fine team next season. As for this season, oh well.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
Dustin Penner?
Sorry, but that shipped sailed long, long ago. Katie Baker puts my thoughts into words far better than I am able:
I have to say: I had mostly assumed all the Penner piling-on was a bit overdone and melodramatic until I went to a couple of Kings games live. The only way I can explain his performance on the ice is that his uselessness had its own presence, like when a particularly overmatched substitute teacher walks into a room and you just know. Just about every time I scoffed in frustration over a missed puck, an out-of-position setup, a flubbed shot, I would look up and there he was: no. 25 lumbering around before me. Penner. It’s impossible to watch a Kings game without balling your hand into a fist at least once and hissing his name, Newman-style. He’s basically the precise opposite of Jeremy Lin.
They shouldn’t have put him on a defensive line. He looks lost here.
It also doesn’t reflect well on the rest of the team that he has scored two goals in his last four games. If he’s the big problem I suggest the rest of the team get their asses in gear.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
I don’t know Niesy. We waited this entire season thinking “…next game, next game, its just a matter of time. The offense will break out and start its surge the next game.”
But, Phoenix was the next game. Same can be said for NY, St. Louis, Carolina and Florida. Worse, IMO Dallas was the better offensive club in that game as well.
Not to be a pessimist but I feel what we have seen is what we will continue to see; great defense, no offense; partly due to a coaching staff(s) incapable of introducing creativity and reeducating several top 6 players.
I would love to see the Kings surge into the playoffs. That hope has kept me (and countless others) following this hapless club since the 70’s. But my prediction is, should the Kings make the playoffs it will be other Western clubs who put then there.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
The flip side is this: despite bizarre scoring declines across the board, their defense and goaltending means they’re still in it. We did not end our season in December as might have been predicted.
I’m not dismissing the scoring problems as a concern, they are real, but I am also not ready to throw in the towel. I also don’t want to make panic moves. They are surviving.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
He looks lost pretty much everywhere.
I certainly don’t think Penner is to blame, solely, for the rest of the team’s inability to score but the guy has been atrocious save for a few streaks of semi-brilliance this season.
Some people are just inclined to shrug and say “Oh well it happens sometimes.” He used to be a goalscorer, how did it get this bad? Overnight?
I get angry every time I think about the way they chewed up three LWs three years in a row.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
Seriously, this is how it works: 2 goals in the last 4 games, ok. Defensive mistakes while being a mismatch for that role — benched for multiple games. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if forwards on this team are more afraid of making a defensive mistake than not generating enough offense. Only one is unforgivable.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
I get angry every time I think about the way they chewed up three LWs three years in a row.
I don’t see how Penner and Poni and Fro are all that comparable:
Penner has been given tough competition and good linemates and hasn’t been able to score.
Poni was given easy competition and poor linemates and wasn’t able to score.
Fro was given tough competition and poor linemates and scored just fine.
I think Penner’s biggest problem has been that he’s sucked.
my take on a Nash deal
Nash’s cap hit is same as his salary-$7.5 million. I do not want to part with Bernier or Voynov. If DL is to make the deal, I think we have about $ 1.5 million in cap space and if they dump Penner or trade him, we have $ 4.25 million more space, which leaves us to move or adjust the deal by about $ 1.75 million. If we move two regulars we can get close or meet that number.I would not mind moving Green and letting Voynov play regular and see if Martinez can pick up his game. What I prefer is the DL makes the deal "contingent"on redoing Nash’s contract. By redoing it, I mean lower this year’s remaining salary and then next one or two years and backload the rest of the money. That still leaves us with a problem on resigning Quick, Bernier et al. Worth a try since media is making waves that Nash is not a good fit for any of the top 5 teams interested in obtaining him. Then again that is the media not the executives of teams. What do you all this of this? Mickey
I'd rather the Kings stay put
Even if it means missing the playoffs, which was unthinkable but now is very possible…
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by Paul Udani on Feb 17, 2012 11:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
agree completely
It’s like watching a slow speed train wreck some nights, but why mortgage the farm at this point? If we squeak into the playoffs in 8th spot, odds of us winning even one against the Wings are miniscule, regardless of any trade. Wait ‘till the off-season when we’ve got a bit of salary cap relief before making a move.
AEG has high priced seats to sell, though…
Kings didn't have $7.8M for Kovalbitch, how do they have that NOW for Nash?
Because Drew’s cap hit is HIGHER than DL anticipated? (No.)
Where’s this money coming from?
In case that’s unclear: Pass on Nash.
“No on Nash” means “Yes” on Bernie, Racoon Jesus, Lokti, Cliffy, Lewie, VVVV, and the rest of the young Kings who will need raises… oh, and that Vezina candidate what’s his name? This post was paid for by concerned, sane Kings’ fans.
by Doughty99 on Feb 18, 2012 12:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nash
He ain’t walking through the door. Book your tee times for April boys.
Trade
Can the Kings trade for regression to mean?
by Clever Kings Handle on Feb 18, 2012 11:37 AM PST reply actions
I, for one, would welcome our new "Dustin Penner circa 2009-10" overlord
The chances of that happening? Meh.
But, real question, is Penner’s career essentially over? I mean, some team will probably give him another chance if he is willing to take somewhat of a salary cut. But, really, is he done as a NHL player?
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