Kings-Panthers Game Thread: Dustin, We Love You
by Niesy on Feb 9, 2012 4:30 PM PST
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Everyone should have a Dustin.
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4:30 Game Time Office Cubicle Listening Party!
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy!
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
Listen, there’s this big sign right by the door of the actuarial department that says “No photography allowed”. I am so reporting you for this!
At least I don’t have a double chin on the picture.
by Passemoilapuck on Feb 9, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Photoshop is your friend!
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 9, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
2 goals, and then Panthers took all the speed away.
Big PK coming up. Kings will have to figure out how to speed the game back up if their gonna get back into it.
Pull Quick…he looks tired.
1-0 Panthers — Stick around and hope for a shoot out
2-0 Panthers — Go mow the lawn, water the plants, wash the car(s). On that second goal Clifford left his man to drift up ice and got burned big time.
LA just stopped playing after that. One thing I learned, Pancakes only passes off the backhand. The good news, they are not leading so they won’t blow their 77-0-2 record for not losing when entering the 3rd with a lead…won’t want Bob to lose that taking point.
Where is that team that scored three against Tampa? I highly doubt the Kings have even two goals in them.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
Kind of makes you realize that Tuesday’s result probably had more to do with Tampa’s inept defense, as opposed to any resurgance by the Kings offense.
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 9, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree.
The Kings didn’t stop playing. Both goals had players right next to the shooters, but lost track of where the puck was. Florida has been fortunate, but the Kings have played well. Offensively? I have no answer, but 2 goals against isn’t a complete breakdown. Any team in the league would take 2 goals against, and consider that a low score.
Correct on the first goal, incorrect on the second.
The shooter was Clifford’s man. Clifford left him before there was control behind the net. Clifford was drifting backward and was well above the top of the faceoff circle when the puck arrived at the dot.
Same thing doughty did, except on the far side, against St Louis.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
Clifford was 2 feet away from the player who got the 1 timer.
If he was paying attention, he would of been in good position to stop that shot. He had his back to the passer, and didn’t see the pass. He was in good position, just not aware.
He wasn’t even in the frame….but lets say your right. Then he was two feet away, skating backward towards the blue line when and open Bergenheim received the puck and scored.
I’ll double check when they show the “high lights” but I am pretty sure he was above the circle when that shot went off. \
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
Clifford wasn’t on the ice for either goal. Bergenheim’s goal came off a bounce off Stoll’s skate and no one knew where it was. Penner circled low and then covered the point, expecting Johnson to follow Santorelli from the front of the net to the circle. Johnson looked over his shoulder and saw Penner so I think he was expecting Penner to take Santorelli. Johnson tried to recover when he realized Santorelli was open but it was too late.
Can I just add
I know everything is magnified when they don’t score — but bounces happen and coverage is not-so-amazingly not always 100 perfect. Even though that’s where our scoring situation pressures them to be.
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OK, saw it. I was wrong about the players involved but believe I called the positions correctly.
The shooter was Santerelli, not Bergenheim. And, it was Penner, not Clifford who blew the coverage and started up ice early. Clifford was not on the ice a the time.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
Quick tired?
Yeah, well on Insider myself and my friend were saying to start Bernier After the AS game. But everyone said “Quick’s in great shape…. he isn’t tired”.
I said, yeah, maybe not now but he’s been traveling cross country three times in the span of a few days. It’ll catch up w him.
Guess what. But no one clearly STOPS to THINK this stuff out.
Several times he lost the puck on shots that were just off net or across the crease…it seemed clear from the first he wasn’t into it. I know you can’t go back but the way Florida is playing it could have been 0-0 if Bernier started.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
Since when does 2 goals against signal tired?
99 percent of the goalies in the league give up 2 a night on average. Quick does it, and suddenly he’s lost his edge.
OK, saw it. I was wrong about the players involved but believe I called the positions correctly.
The shooter was Santerelli, not Bergenheim. And, it was Penner, not Clifford who blew the coverage and started up ice early. Clifford was not on the ice a the time.
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
by Nut on Feb 9, 2012 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
Detective Riggs sez
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 9, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
I guess the whole Bernie Nichols is here to help the offense thing isn’t really working out.
Not saying DS was the best hire, but at least TM's gone.
My eyes are accusatively turning to Lombardi...
Win from the back-end out. Hm, sounds like a reasonable philosophy. It’s easy to link this to the simplistic mantra of “Defense wins championships.” So you hire a one-dimensional coach™ and he does what he’s supposed to do: improve the Kings defensively; you draft d-men by the boat-load, and you draft a goalie every year.
And we’ve got one of the lowest-scoring teams of the modern era.
So either it’s a bad philosophy or a good philosphy executed poorly. Either way, it refelects poorly on Dean Lombardi.
Not saying DS was the best hire, but at least TM's gone.
Listen man, I liked Lombardi….. a lot for the first two-three years. Then I realized that A) the team lacked speed and B) any sort of 5-on-5 scoring. Then by this time the wheels have completely fallen off re: the offense.
And I agree with you. I don’t mind the ‘general’ philosophy of building from the back out, BUT, when you build from the back out to almost the total exclusion of drafting and developing any forwards with anything resembling a skill set and touch around the net (see Lewis, Trevor and Clifford, Kyle) not to mention Moller not given much of a chance, Moulson given virtually no chance… and
bingo bongo,……. thats what you get.
So yes, i agree that Lombardi has not done a good job.
Well at least we got to see the Doughty Martinez experience! (Rick, are you pleased?)
I’d like to see them flip the desperate attack switch earlier. Interesting.
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Agree. I think they should of opened the 3rd with a run and gun attitude (maybe even late in the 2nd after the first goal). Giving up a few 2 on 1’s would of been a small price to pay to create more opportunities, and try to tie it up.
Good news was, if TM was coach, they would of never entered desperation mode at all because he would of just preached “play the same way”.
I’d like to see them flip the desperate attack switch earlier. Interesting.
They did, Jimmy just didn’t notice until Martinez-Doughty’s 3rd trip out there.
Grammar Police
should of
would of
This is driving me nuts. The correct words are “should’ve” and “would’ve”. They are contractions or “should have” and “would have”. “Should” and “would” do not belong to anyone.
Rick, are you pleased?
this was a painful game to sit through but I did enjoy that. Did you know that over their careers when Doughty and Martinez are on the ice together their Corsi % is 63%? To put that in perspective Zdeno Chara’s this year is 58% and Lidstrom’s is 57%.
‘Painful game to sit through’ is kinda a given this year. I give major props to all the fans that show up to home game after home game.
But yes. We are pleased.
Though the Matt Greenes of the world have a role which microstats are ill equipped to measure, and are still valuable. They are fun to watch.
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A little part of it is a smaller sample size, but given that he had a super-excellent shot differential last year, we should believe in him.
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Now they’re going to have to win the stupid back to back games at ten in the morning. I think they can do it. But way to make it harder on ya. :P
I’ll be in rural Michigan wondering how I’m part Finnish because I don’t know how to deal with the cold.
It’s why Selanne will never move, BTW. He’s too smart to be lured away.
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I think the Kings may have the most difficult March schedule in the league.
First, compare to the Sharks the Kings have two more (13 v 11) back to back sequences.
Next, a March 17 day period LA faces:
Three back to back sets are really two sets of 3 games in 4 night that are in turn within 4 games in six night sequences.
The March schedule is not only difficult, it is outrageous. At one point LA plays 5 games in 8 nights. This is when injuries happen..also noticed that most of San Jose’s back to back games were in the first month of the season.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
I don’t even know how that happens when SJ has to make up so many games in hand.
The Kings ordinarily get the short end of the stick with the Grammy trip; this year, is something else. They just wrote themselves a ticket of Now You Have To Deal With It.
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Best place to view is NHL.com you can look at each month while switching between teams.
The Kings schedules are normally so screwy then look at San Jose, which is very balanced and even. I suppose no basketball, no Hollywood, no Michael Jackson memorials to get in the way.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
Two stats stick out
Faceoffs won:
Kings: 20
Panthers: 32
Blocked shots:
Kings: 4
Panthers: 18
Even with the home-team discount, that’s a big discrepancy…
by maxwellian_demon on Feb 9, 2012 7:18 PM PST reply actions
Big on energy, but small hands….
My whipping boy? Hunter
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
Just found this out today
Mike Futa, Kings head scout was GM of Lewis’s junior team when Lewis was there. So of course Dl listened to Futa. Very poor choice. My lord. Really. A first round pick who is a forward…… In Any draft, you would think during a poor season would score a minimum of like 10 goals.
Dean goes with the people he knows….. and that makes him as I see it a bit narrow in his overall vision. Other than Moller, not one single draft (other than some obscure one that Quisp mentioned) from Anywhere other than Canada, US and Russia in five years!!
Gadzooks. If Detroit functioned like that, that team would be in the toilet instead of finding gems like Lidstrom, Zetterberg and Datzyuk. (and yes I know Datzyuk is Russian thank you very much).
Dean loves the guys who get their noses dirty and he clearly doesn’t love guys that have a skill set and good hands, so I’ve honestly no idea why they drafted Toffoli. He’s the one exception to the rule…… other than the smurfs who were good in juniors but unlikely to make, at least DL’s NHL team.
Futa is bad?
Are we supposed to malign all his picks then? What about Simmonds in the second round? 2nd round picks have about a 15% hit rate. Simmonds wasn’t even ranked by central scouting. I guess that was stupidity and hubris.
If you want to get into scouting you at very least need to look at his record as a whole.
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First of all…. that’s ridiculous if you’re calling me Anthony (assuming that was aimed at me).
Actually I made the comments in response to someone who blogged on another site. My point was this which I clearly made a very poor job of backing up: DL has a tendency to want to go with the ‘known’. I don’t think anyone here would dispute that. Choice of coaches, choice of players, etc.
And yes, I do think that’s held him back. And Yes, I do think Justin Williams and Mike Richards are both outstanding players. So is Gagne most certainly when not injured. But at the same time, it’s hurt him (DL) as much as helped him. The point was absolutely not attacking Mike Futa. Quite honestly I don’t know which players he’s responsible for and which ones not.
The idea was that he probably went for Lewis ‘via’ Futa as Futa had the connection to Lewis….. same way as DL has had his connection points to TM, DS, etc and he doesn’t seem to like to go outside of his …… comfort zone (?) perhaps you could call it.
Also, totally agree that Simmer was a great pick. I like Lokti too, but at this point clearly the types of players he’s responsible for drafting aren’t getting it done wrt scoring. And yes, Lokti isn’t a grinder, Toffoli isn’t a grinder, and though I don’t know much about Vey possibly he isn’t either. Then again, neither is Moller and that sort of put up a road block to him getting a serious chance w the big club.
But I probably should maybe keep my opinions to myself?
I think it’s really indisputable that DL’s incredible focus on d and goal has worked defensively, but not so much in a balanced way. Otherwise they wouldn’t be dead last in scoring.
I’m pretty sure you’re “Anthony”.
For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled.
by Nut on Feb 9, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Futa, Kings head scout was GM of Lewis’s junior team when Lewis was there
Mike Futa got hired after the 2007 draft. Al Murray was the Kings’ head scout for the 2006 draft.
A first round pick who is a forward…… In Any draft, you would think during a poor season would score a minimum of like 10 goals.
Hahaha, nope.
Gadzooks. If Detroit functioned like that, that team would be in the toilet instead of finding gems like Lidstrom, Zetterberg and Datzyuk. (and yes I know Datzyuk is Russian thank you very much).
Are we just going to ignore Loktionov (5th round pick) or
Dean loves the guys who get their noses dirty
Oh, ok
so I’ve honestly no idea why they drafted Toffoli. He’s the one exception to the rule…… other than the smurfs who were good in juniors but unlikely to make, at least DL’s NHL team.
Kozun is a good prospect, full stop. Weal and Azevedo are guys who might turn into something so why not take a flyer on them. Also: Linden Vey, Nick Shore, Maxim Kitsyn, Oscar Moller, Robbie Czarnik,.
Rudy
Jesus, look. I’m just looking for reasons why they are a poor team offensively. I may not have gotten every single fact spot on. And next time I’ll be more careful about my posts.
Also regarding Kozun and Azevedo, it doesn’t appear to me, that the front office is terribly open to that type of player but you’re right. I may be entirely wrong.
Again, I’ll try and simplify this ok? Dean is going on his sixth year as GM. It would seem to me that over that time he would be responsible for a bit more up front. Yes, I also know that Simmonds and Schenn were converted into Mike Richards. So I give him that And I agree that you have to make that trade. I Never said anything against that trade.
But if it’s a GM’s job to be the architect of a team, then clearly this team is missing something or other to create offense. I think we can agree over that. As it’s unlikely that the team will be drafting high in the near future, I’m just not sure how exactly DL expects to deal with filling that hole. And you and I know that with the cap situation and all, it isn’t easy to make deals as things stand these days in the NHL.
Dean is going on his sixth year as GM.
This is a valid criticism in my book. For sure.
I just think they draft/sign more of the types they needed than actually stuck under Murray.
Dinglebarnin' It JftC
YES
There you go Niesy. Thank you. Not that I need to be defended, and most certainly I’m a bit over sensitive. If someone asks if you’re Anthony, you would feel that way too (lol).
That’s all I’m saying is that somewhere along the lines there is a very real ‘disconnect’. I think that’s the perfect word. If a team is on track – fast track – to be the lowest scoring team since the lockout, it’s just pure denial to say there isn’t an issue somewhere.
And usually when there is an issue you look towards the top.
That simple really.
moulson/purcell are what’s killing dean the most right now. but maybe if they stay they are just different version of lewis and richardson…i doubt it though.
I care way more about Moulson than I do Purcell. Purcell had his chance…you can even say he was chosen above others — Moulson, I never felt that.
Am I alone? Idk
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i just wish purcell would have had more than 60 minutes career 5v5 ice time with Kopi at least as much as kyle calder’s 300 minutes…
anyhow this is a v depressing thing to dwell on…positive vibes! kings will score 6 versus the islanders. Trevor Lewis with a hat trick!
I think Purcells only problem was Murray. I try not to bag on Terry because I think it fans have over done it (and still do), but Murray wasn’t exactly known for offensive develpement, and screwed the pooch with developing Purcell.
It took Tampa 1 summer to turn his career around, but if he would of stayed in LA, he’d have 4 goals, and 5 assists all of last season.
Guys like Kopi, and DD were dummy proof (meaning they would have developed under any coach to some degree), but Murray never developed his own scoring prospect from scratch.
by defrim65 on Feb 9, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah i had to refrain from using an expletive next to the words “terry murray” in the above post. But no reason to kick a dead horse when he’s down right?
anyhow I have the point of view (which most people disagree with) that “systems” and “tactics” don’t matter nearly as much as line matching and line-up construction. Not that they don’t matter but I think people over-estimate how much they matter in general.
That was Terry's philosophy too.
He believed that if you have all 4 lines playing the same way, then the only adjustments you have to make against other teams systems is to mix and match the player combinations to change their effectiveness.
Perhaps it’s more of a case that there isn’t that much difference in systems at the NHL level so any differences are harder to detect and attribute success or failure to a specific system.
BTW, I thought we had more success under both TM and DS when the D made a concerted effort to move the puck out quicker instead of making 3-4 behind-the-net-D-to-D passes before moving the puck to a forward.
Tonight it looked like they were trying to do that but pretty often they weren’t really in sync and didn’t know if/when a player would be in a certain space. I think they need to work on this in practice more probably.
Moulson actually had a good look
He was on the top line and on the PP For two months or so and the coach was getting killed on Rich’s blog for it back then. He just happened to pan out after he got shipped but I thought they gave him a chance here and it didn’t work out.
Trust me Rick…… absolutely positively Richardson and Lewis aren’t versions of Moulson in any case. Check Moulson’s stats when he was in the AHL. You could tell he had a nose for the net. And, in his first 22 games with the team he had 9 points. A rookie and he had nine points and that’s not reasonable? Poor enough that they jettisoned him. 5 goals in 22 games is a 20 goal scorer. That wouldn’t be bad for a rookie. Lewis will be fortunate to have 5 goals this whole season. And if it weren’t for the penalty shot that shouldn’t have been he’d still be on ‘1’.
I’m not trying to diss Lewis, but it’s pretty clear that he wouldn’t be a ‘Moulson’ (i.e. 30 goal scorer) on another team. If he WERE, then……. forget, not gonna go there. I’ve already gotten myself in enough trouble for one night.
I loved Holloway because he was a Tbird, but that’s regional bias. Recent article!
DL will probably get over himself long enough to offer him another chance, because let’s not stand in our own way.
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The 6-foot, 190-pound left wing led Manchester in scoring the past two seasons, but never was called up to the NHL.
"You’d think that deserves a shot but you never know what the parent club is thinking or what their plans are," Holloway said.
Seriously, everyone heaps abuse on him, but I don’t know that we appreciate the other side.
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^trying to ignore that Holloway’s agent and Manchester’s reporter think his best shot at the NHL is being traded at the deadline. Asflghladkfk;fasdgkjaskjfa
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I hear Nick Shore isn’t doing much of anything but can’t back that up. Czarnik? Hey Rudy, do you want the Kings to compete with the elite teams, or be a really ‘nice’ .500 team.
It all depends what they want. Not sure that Chicago Vanc or Detroit are gonna be shaking knowing that they have certain of those players in the wings.
Was up on the N. Peninsula a few years ago visiting friends. It was summer, clear skies, beer, almost fifty degrees and everyone was sunning and swimming…except the two California boys (beer excluded) Burrrrrr.
Are Teemu Selanne and Melanie Griffith Twins?
I remember when I was like that. Eff you!
Well we were promised weather “in the teens” for pond hockey. I think that’s optimistic? I CAN’T DEAL
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I tried eating 500 calorie cupcakes every day in an effort to boost my natural insulation —
I can eat anything I want so it didn’t work.
Why are down jackets hundreds of dollars? Pffts.
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HAHAHAHAHA
I won pancakes with penner tix
I will be in Michigan
My love of charity overcame how I knew this would be
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Mazel tov!
Now, please pass the syrup after those flapjacks.
Have a great trip, Niesy! We’ll hold the fort down for ya.
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 9, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Still busy with the DERP on offense I see
Let’s hope Nail’s suspension by the CHL raises “character concerns” and he falls to 15-20, which should be where we’re picking :)
Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.
"So what if we're boring?" says Tim Duncan before taking a nap.
question from the bleachers
would there be anything to acquiring another grinder in the defensive zone instead of paying the heavy price for scoring talent?
I imagine a scenario akin to how the Canucks use Manny Malholtra; we acquire a player that allows one of our own players that is currently tasked with defensive responsibilities more time in the offensive zone.
Its great that we have so many defensively responsible forwards, but its just been an absolute clusterfuck in the offensive zone. You watch highlights of other teams moving the puck on offense with finesse and skill and getting quality chances, and then see the kings bumble around the boards, kick the puck, and lose control in the offensive zone.
Someone get Poni on the phone.
Voynov sent to Manchester? WTFuck???
Well, at least Quisp is going to see what his boy, Jordan Nolan, can do with the big squad.
"We will come with our guns blazing, and we just blazed." - Tim Leiweke
by DodgerBlueBalls on Feb 10, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
They need forward depth badly right now and I imagine if they arent going to play slava they’d rather him get minutes in Manch. The likelihood of a trade though just went through the roof….I’m sort of scared by what this trade may entail.
Yeah, I hear you, but most likely Nolan and King will be scratched alternately so depth at forward was the goal it seems.
Yea. We do have 8 D men, and it would be better to keep 7 with an extra forward. I am surprised that DL went with 2 bulldozers when Cliche, and Kozun are there, but Sutter did recently make a trip to Manch, and should have a pretty good idea of what he wanted here in case of injury.
Hopefully little Slava will be back up soon.
What i would have done:
Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Penner-Loktionov-Richards
Clifford-Cliche-Lewis
Richardson-Fraser-Nolan
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Taste of the South Bay?
Gross. You’d have to pay me way more that $60 to drink that stuff….
by Robert_P. on Feb 10, 2012 12:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
My plane’s been sitting on the runway for an hour. Goodness, what I missed.
Voynov didn’t deserve to be sent down, so all I get from this is that Alec is trade bait. Which makes me sad. He’ll be a steal for whoever gets him.
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